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Comments on: Chicken owner’s anger after dogs kill flock http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/ Island News, Sport, Community & Lifestyle Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:11:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Devils Advocate http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41839 Devils Advocate Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:00:34 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41839 This is so simple, if you care about your child, pet, loved animals etc.. you should ensure you do your best to protect them. Evaluate the potential risks and take whatever measures you feel necessary to protect them. For example, if you lived in a high crime area, would you leave your home unlocked!! If you knew some undesirable persons frequented a route your children took to walk home, would you wait for them to be attacked!! If you own a dog that would run off searching for 'love' would you not pen it in to safeguard against it getting run over by a car!! I guess he answer is yes, most responsible people would seek to mitigate any potential disaster. However, it would appear, that people who own chickens, do nothing to safeguard them against any attack and then put the blame totally on 'dogs', who incidentally may have had the same freedom as chickens to roan wherever without the knowledge of the owner. When did we last hear that some chickens were killed whilst contained within a chicken pen!! This is so simple, if you care about your child, pet, loved animals etc.. you should ensure you do your best to protect them. Evaluate the potential risks and take whatever measures you feel necessary to protect them.

For example, if you lived in a high crime area, would you leave your home unlocked!! If you knew some undesirable persons frequented a route your children took to walk home, would you wait for them to be attacked!! If you own a dog that would run off searching for ‘love’ would you not pen it in to safeguard against it getting run over by a car!! I guess he answer is yes, most responsible people would seek to mitigate any potential disaster.

However, it would appear, that people who own chickens, do nothing to safeguard them against any attack and then put the blame totally on ‘dogs’, who incidentally may have had the same freedom as chickens to roan wherever without the knowledge of the owner.

When did we last hear that some chickens were killed whilst contained within a chicken pen!!

]]> By: Andy http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41806 Andy Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:51:36 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41806 Why dont we shoot cats then as they are always trespassing, killing birds and defecating? Why dont we shoot cats then as they are always trespassing, killing birds and defecating?

]]> By: nik http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41664 nik Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:01:07 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41664 wh bonney and darren, i bow to your great wisdom, darren you know me already, i am a do -gooder and have never suffered from crime.apologies for having a different opinion to the pair of you. perhaps you should both go to the states as you know so much. i think the boatman is right, enforce the laws that are there. i guess i just think more of my dog than most people so can become defensive perhaps. i don't care really, but if anyone has a pretty cocker spaniel in their gun sights think before shooting as there would be consequences.perhaps we'll all get along in the next life.have wonderful days! wh bonney and darren, i bow to your great wisdom, darren you know me already, i am a do -gooder and have never suffered from crime.apologies for having a different opinion to the pair of you. perhaps you should both go to the states as you know so much.
i think the boatman is right, enforce the laws that are there. i guess i just think more of my dog than most people so can become defensive perhaps. i don’t care really, but if anyone has a pretty cocker spaniel in their gun sights think before shooting as there would be consequences.perhaps we’ll all get along in the next life.have wonderful days!

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]]> By: boatman http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41635 boatman Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:42:01 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41635 I don't think we need yet more laws, as always I just think the existing ones need enforcing. For instance one thing that would go a long way towards this would be to actively enforce the existing law that bans dogs from being off the lead in our Parks. This might be the first step in removing the misguided belief that dogs and dog owners have the right to rampage and foul where ever they like. Me? Just for the record, also own two lovely dogs. Well I think they are, but I think what gets missed sometimes by other dog owners is that some people are terrified of them. I don’t think we need yet more laws, as always I just think the existing ones need enforcing.

For instance one thing that would go a long way towards this would be to actively enforce the existing law that bans dogs from being off the lead in our Parks. This might be the first step in removing the misguided belief that dogs and dog owners have the right to rampage and foul where ever they like.

Me? Just for the record, also own two lovely dogs. Well I think they are, but I think what gets missed sometimes by other dog owners is that some people are terrified of them.

]]> By: Wil http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41542 Wil Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:05:58 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41542 Yes Nik Its a grey area isnt it, who is the more wrong? On one hand a pet owner could kill another persons pet to protect their own and on the other hand you have pet owners letting their pets kill other peoples pets thinking that it is okay. Well somethings got to give. I agree with most in this post that laws need to be tightened around pet ownership. If the majority of pet owners are indeed responsible then perhaps they can give more thought prior to purchasing a dog and match the exercise requirements to their backyard size and/or personal fitness level. If they do this then no-one would really need to take their dog off the lead when they go off their property. Yes Nik

Its a grey area isnt it, who is the more wrong?

On one hand a pet owner could kill another persons pet to protect their own and on the other hand you have pet owners letting their pets kill other peoples pets thinking that it is okay.

Well somethings got to give. I agree with most in this post that laws need to be tightened around pet ownership.

If the majority of pet owners are indeed responsible then perhaps they can give more thought prior to purchasing a dog and match the exercise requirements to their backyard size and/or personal fitness level. If they do this then no-one would really need to take their dog off the lead when they go off their property.

]]> By: W H Bonney http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41535 W H Bonney Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:10:31 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41535 Once again Nik - I refer you to my earlier comment.... You keep harping on with your weird & deluded comments, claiming to have read something that no-one else has?! Not once did I say that a dog should be shot if it entered someones property?! I would have no problem with that (unless it fouled), I did however say that if a dog entered your property & killed your pets or damaged your property, then it should be treated as vermin & personally, I would shoot it! If a young family is sat in the garden & the dog enters the property & it mauls a child - it would be destroyed... some people dont have children but raise pets as if they were their own - so whats the difference? Are we now to say that toddlers shouldnt play outside on private property, just incase a dog owner allows his animal to roam on to private land unleashed?! I fully understand some dogs are well trained & some dog owners are responsible & only walk their animal with a lead... however some are selfish & dont give a *#$£ about the welfare of other peoples pets or property... If you have a well trained dog or a dog on a leash, then you have no need to worry - if however you have an untrained animal & you allow it to roam free in & outr of peoples property, then there are consequences... & dont come the whole 'its not fair, its not fair to keep them on a lead' angle with me either cos you would be the first one to cry out if I had a pet bigger then your dog & allowed it to roam on to your land & kill your pet.... It is your selfish attitude that tarnish dog owners with a bad attitude... & for the record - I own 2 dogs.... Once again Nik – I refer you to my earlier comment…. You keep harping on with your weird & deluded comments, claiming to have read something that no-one else has?!

Not once did I say that a dog should be shot if it entered someones property?!

I would have no problem with that (unless it fouled), I did however say that if a dog entered your property & killed your pets or damaged your property, then it should be treated as vermin & personally, I would shoot it!

If a young family is sat in the garden & the dog enters the property & it mauls a child – it would be destroyed… some people dont have children but raise pets as if they were their own – so whats the difference?

Are we now to say that toddlers shouldnt play outside on private property, just incase a dog owner allows his animal to roam on to private land unleashed?!

I fully understand some dogs are well trained & some dog owners are responsible & only walk their animal with a lead… however some are selfish & dont give a *#$£ about the welfare of other peoples pets or property…

If you have a well trained dog or a dog on a leash, then you have no need to worry – if however you have an untrained animal & you allow it to roam free in & outr of peoples property, then there are consequences…

& dont come the whole ‘its not fair, its not fair to keep them on a lead’ angle with me either cos you would be the first one to cry out if I had a pet bigger then your dog & allowed it to roam on to your land & kill your pet….

It is your selfish attitude that tarnish dog owners with a bad attitude…

& for the record – I own 2 dogs….

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]]> By: GsyGal http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41534 GsyGal Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:01:19 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41534 Boatman: Well i for one would not want chickens roaming from my neighbours land onto mine, digging up my lawn and fouling everywhere thank you. By 'penned in' I did not mean kept in a tiny area with no room to move. I meant a fence around the borders of their property so the Chickens are kept on the owners land. Boatman: Well i for one would not want chickens roaming from my neighbours land onto mine, digging up my lawn and fouling everywhere thank you. By ‘penned in’ I did not mean kept in a tiny area with no room to move. I meant a fence around the borders of their property so the Chickens are kept on the owners land.

]]> By: Darren http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41522 Darren Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:13:48 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41522 Nik - you fail to miss the point. 1 - The owner of the Chickens suffered a loss and grievance 2 - He is entitled by law to defend his property 3 - The owner of the dog is at fault and should be prosecuted, however there is no come back 4 - If the owner of the dog cannot be traced with reasonable endeavour then it is fair and equitable that the chicken owner should defend his property. 5 - you, Nik, have never in all likelihood suffered as a victim of crime and therefore you should speak from experience rather than pontificate 6 - Nik - if your dog, well trained or not, came onto my land, and killed my livestock (it would be fair to let the dog kill the livestock rather than shoot it in a pre-emptive strike), then I would have no hesitation shooting the dog. If you could not be bothered to look after the dog properly then that is your problem my friend. The reason dogs kill children (mainly German Shepherds and Staffs) is because they are not controlled properly 7 - Dogs are wild animals, full stop. The fact that they are kept as 'pets' is neither here nor there. Do you trust a pet pirhana and stick your hand in the tank? I think you really are one of those do-gooders who always supports the criminal instead of the victim - this man had his stock killed; it is fact. Nik – you fail to miss the point.

1 – The owner of the Chickens suffered a loss and grievance
2 – He is entitled by law to defend his property
3 – The owner of the dog is at fault and should be prosecuted, however there is no come back
4 – If the owner of the dog cannot be traced with reasonable endeavour then it is fair and equitable that the chicken owner should defend his property.
5 – you, Nik, have never in all likelihood suffered as a victim of crime and therefore you should speak from experience rather than pontificate
6 – Nik – if your dog, well trained or not, came onto my land, and killed my livestock (it would be fair to let the dog kill the livestock rather than shoot it in a pre-emptive strike), then I would have no hesitation shooting the dog. If you could not be bothered to look after the dog properly then that is your problem my friend. The reason dogs kill children (mainly German Shepherds and Staffs) is because they are not controlled properly
7 – Dogs are wild animals, full stop. The fact that they are kept as ‘pets’ is neither here nor there. Do you trust a pet pirhana and stick your hand in the tank?

I think you really are one of those do-gooders who always supports the criminal instead of the victim – this man had his stock killed; it is fact.

]]> By: nik http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41450 nik Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:59:54 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41450 wh bonney i have re read your comments and stand by mine, catch the dog on your property and contact the law but if someone takes a gun as you say and shoots someones pet then the '#[;' is gonna hit the fan isn't it.some dogs may just run around on someone's property by accident, these things happen, it may not have bothered any other animal, then by your brave gun wielding rules someone may shoot the dog. do that to my dog, who would not hurt a fly and is well trained, and then i will want my revenge on the one with the gun. and to the man, i don't know what the answer is but having more areas where you can't let themn off the lead just punishes the majority which shouldn't happen. we all live crowded on a little island and we all need to learn to take responsibility for our pets and try to stay out of everyones way. making new rules, laws or pulling the guns out like billy the berking kid wants to do. wh bonney
i have re read your comments and stand by mine,
catch the dog on your property and contact the law but if someone takes a gun as you say and shoots someones pet then the ‘#[;’ is gonna hit the fan isn’t it.some dogs may just run around on someone’s property by accident, these things happen, it may not have bothered any other animal, then by your brave gun wielding rules someone may shoot the dog. do that to my dog, who would not hurt a fly and is well trained, and then i will want my revenge on the one with the gun.
and to the man, i don’t know what the answer is but having more areas where you can’t let themn off the lead just punishes the majority which shouldn’t happen. we all live crowded on a little island and we all need to learn to take responsibility for our pets and try to stay out of everyones way. making new rules, laws or pulling the guns out like billy the berking kid wants to do.

]]> By: boatman http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41442 boatman Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:35:27 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41442 GsyGal Why on earth should anyone have to keep there chickens 'penned in' ON THEIR OWN LAND?????? I'm a vegetarian but would fully support any farmer that did choose to shoot a dog found in the midst of a killing spree because it's ignorant owners can't keep it under control. GsyGal

Why on earth should anyone have to keep there chickens ‘penned in’ ON THEIR OWN LAND??????

I’m a vegetarian but would fully support any farmer that did choose to shoot a dog found in the midst of a killing spree because it’s ignorant owners can’t keep it under control.

]]> By: Concerned Guern http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41436 Concerned Guern Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:17:04 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41436 GsyGal It's even more simple than you say. Trained dogs - off lead Untrained dogs - on lead GsyGal

It’s even more simple than you say.

Trained dogs – off lead

Untrained dogs – on lead

]]> By: GsyGal http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41433 GsyGal Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:05:45 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41433 Simple solution is keep the chicken penned in/dogs out. Put signs up near the chickens asking people to keep dogs under control. It must be give and take in these situations, you cannot expect a dog to know the difference between someones pet chicken and a wild chicken/bird. Simple solution is keep the chicken penned in/dogs out. Put signs up near the chickens asking people to keep dogs under control. It must be give and take in these situations, you cannot expect a dog to know the difference between someones pet chicken and a wild chicken/bird.

]]> By: Concerned Guern http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41424 Concerned Guern Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:06:36 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41424 Sheila posting 1.06pm "I wonder if the chicken owners put up some poles with perches on top the dog would only be able to kill one or two before the rest flew to safety." Nice one Shelia although it's a little early for April 1st Sheila posting 1.06pm
“I wonder if the chicken owners put up some poles with perches on top the dog would only be able to kill one or two before the rest flew to safety.”

Nice one Shelia although it’s a little early for April 1st

]]> By: boatman http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41417 boatman Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:00:27 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41417 Shelia - I see dogs bounding around free to run all the time. Free to run, bark, annoy and bite people that is. Mostly in areas where it is illegal for them to be off the lead at all. Why should people have to do anything at all to their property to protect it from ignorant and selfish dog owners? Shelia – I see dogs bounding around free to run all the time. Free to run, bark, annoy and bite people that is. Mostly in areas where it is illegal for them to be off the lead at all.

Why should people have to do anything at all to their property to protect it from ignorant and selfish dog owners?

]]> By: W H Bonney http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41414 W H Bonney Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:07:41 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/14/chicken-owners-anger-after-dogs-kill-flock/#comment-41414 Nik - before calling me a berk, I would suggest that you read my comments again & then stick your oar in - rather then make yourself look like a fool! I am not looking to punish all dogs & or all dog owners, my comment suggested taking action against dogs that entered AND damaged your property... If a dog owner either keeps the animal on a lead OR has an animal that doesnt kill other peoples pets or damage their property - then they have nothing to worry about do they?! Nik – before calling me a berk, I would suggest that you read my comments again & then stick your oar in – rather then make yourself look like a fool!

I am not looking to punish all dogs & or all dog owners, my comment suggested taking action against dogs that entered AND damaged your property…

If a dog owner either keeps the animal on a lead OR has an animal that doesnt kill other peoples pets or damage their property – then they have nothing to worry about do they?!

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