Comments on: ‘Don’t rely on cigarettes to make a profit, sell something else instead’ http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/06/26/dont-rely-on-cigarettes-to-make-a-profit-sell-something-else-instead/ Island News, Sport, Community & Lifestyle Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:00:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Donkeys Life http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/06/26/dont-rely-on-cigarettes-to-make-a-profit-sell-something-else-instead/#comment-48083 Donkeys Life Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:53:32 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=34559#comment-48083 THE MAN Nicely put, I agree with you, but would a local states member do the same. THE MAN
Nicely put, I agree with you, but would a local states member do the same.

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]]> By: The Man http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/06/26/dont-rely-on-cigarettes-to-make-a-profit-sell-something-else-instead/#comment-48062 The Man Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:33:56 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=34559#comment-48062 Its simple You dont want cigarettes sold in shops, then make them illegal. To defer the issue on to the shopkeeper is predictable government spin which deflects attention away from the tax/ cigarettes issue, which is the real reason that they are still sold. Its simple

You dont want cigarettes sold in shops, then make them illegal.

To defer the issue on to the shopkeeper is predictable government spin which deflects attention away from the tax/ cigarettes issue, which is the real reason that they are still sold.

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]]> By: Rachel http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/06/26/dont-rely-on-cigarettes-to-make-a-profit-sell-something-else-instead/#comment-48061 Rachel Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:48:10 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=34559#comment-48061 Im a smoker but i think the best thing that happened was the smoking ban so that people go outside to smoke. I understand people who do not smoke and i like to respect their wishes. I think its good for people to have their own choices but i do thing one day, ciggarettes will be a thing of the past. Im a smoker but i think the best thing that happened was the smoking ban so that people go outside to smoke.
I understand people who do not smoke and i like to respect their wishes.
I think its good for people to have their own choices but i do thing one day, ciggarettes will be a thing of the past.

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]]> By: Bingo-Jane http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/06/26/dont-rely-on-cigarettes-to-make-a-profit-sell-something-else-instead/#comment-48018 Bingo-Jane Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:08:45 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=34559#comment-48018 Funny old argument this. On one thread we'll have the vendors of legal products pilloried for peddling toxins to the masses, and yet here we are extolling the virtues of cancer sticks in shiny cabinets. Cigarettes should be a specialised market only available through tobacconists, with bars to minors. Then they can put up all the advertising they like. Anyway, what profit do these shop keepers think they will lose? Are they reliant on attracting new smokers through neon-lit shelves? Makes a bit of a mockery to their argument doesn't it? Funny old argument this. On one thread we’ll have the vendors of legal products pilloried for peddling toxins to the masses, and yet here we are extolling the virtues of cancer sticks in shiny cabinets.

Cigarettes should be a specialised market only available through tobacconists, with bars to minors. Then they can put up all the advertising they like.

Anyway, what profit do these shop keepers think they will lose? Are they reliant on attracting new smokers through neon-lit shelves? Makes a bit of a mockery to their argument doesn’t it?

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]]> By: Darren http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/06/26/dont-rely-on-cigarettes-to-make-a-profit-sell-something-else-instead/#comment-48009 Darren Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:48:54 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=34559#comment-48009 What ever happened to Civil Liberties or Human Rights? Not that I believe in them a whole lot. People should have freedom of choice. Cigarettes are legal. Fact. I think that alcohol, and fatty foods are far more destructive than cigarettes in that they create obesity and high blood pressure etc etc which is passed on. More significantly, alchohol creates a culture of violence and dependency plus abuse. Sure, cigarettes are addictive, but no one goes and beats each other up afterwards. Difficult one - I hate passive smoking, being a non-smoker, but surely if someone wants to buy them, then let them. Cigarette packets have warnings, and shopkeepers are required by law to sell to people over 16. What more can you say. Minister Adam is in cloud cuckoo land. Wonder if he is good mates with Deputy Jones? What ever happened to Civil Liberties or Human Rights? Not that I believe in them a whole lot.

People should have freedom of choice.

Cigarettes are legal. Fact.

I think that alcohol, and fatty foods are far more destructive than cigarettes in that they create obesity and high blood pressure etc etc which is passed on. More significantly, alchohol creates a culture of violence and dependency plus abuse. Sure, cigarettes are addictive, but no one goes and beats each other up afterwards.

Difficult one – I hate passive smoking, being a non-smoker, but surely if someone wants to buy them, then let them.

Cigarette packets have warnings, and shopkeepers are required by law to sell to people over 16.

What more can you say.

Minister Adam is in cloud cuckoo land.

Wonder if he is good mates with Deputy Jones?

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]]> By: bcb http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/06/26/dont-rely-on-cigarettes-to-make-a-profit-sell-something-else-instead/#comment-47990 bcb Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:42:13 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=34559#comment-47990 Pete Thanks you just proved my point. I was referring to what seems to me that you just have a dislike for smokers. You accuse me of insults when you describe smokers as whingers? (pot and kettle). I whinge a lot less these days as I can’t get heard over all the smokers complaining about their lost rights. After you!. Most of the smokers i know welcomed the bans in public places and understood that it is right that people shouldn`t have to put up with second hand smoke. But you just choose to listen to the whingers (vocal few) and treat every smoker the same, but don`t worry there`s lots of smoke haters out there so your not alone. Pete
Thanks you just proved my point.
I was referring to what seems to me that you just have a dislike for smokers.
You accuse me of insults when you describe smokers as whingers? (pot and kettle).

I whinge a lot less these days as I can’t get heard over all the smokers complaining about their lost rights.
After you!.

Most of the smokers i know welcomed the bans in public places and understood that it is right that people shouldn`t have to put up with second hand smoke.
But you just choose to listen to the whingers (vocal few) and treat every smoker the same, but don`t worry there`s lots of smoke haters out there so your not alone.

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]]> By: Pete http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/06/26/dont-rely-on-cigarettes-to-make-a-profit-sell-something-else-instead/#comment-47951 Pete Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:14:15 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=34559#comment-47951 Guernsey Gal yes I talk rubbish as I'm a nonesmoker, it's only the smokers who know the facts. bcb like I said all the same old smokers tosh, and insults of coarse.But as I said (again)the days when a considerate smoker smoked and the considerate nonesmokers put up and shut up are long gone. I whinge a lot less these days as I can't get heard over all the smokers complaining about their lost rights. After you!. Guernsey Gal yes I talk rubbish as I’m a nonesmoker, it’s only the smokers who know the facts.

bcb like I said all the same old smokers tosh, and insults of coarse.But as I said (again)the days when a considerate smoker smoked and the considerate nonesmokers put up and shut up are long gone.

I whinge a lot less these days as I can’t get heard over all the smokers complaining about their lost rights.
After you!.

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]]> By: Bingo-Jane http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/06/26/dont-rely-on-cigarettes-to-make-a-profit-sell-something-else-instead/#comment-47925 Bingo-Jane Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:27:00 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=34559#comment-47925 Couldn't they just replace the fags in the cabinet behind them with a big sign that says FAGS AND STUFF HERE GET FIXED UP GOOD AND PROPER GO ON IT'S COOL ALL AT LOW LOW £££s UNDER THE COUNTER SERVICE COUGH UP SOME PHLEGM POLITELY FOR A CIG-NAL! FAKE ID WELCOMED ? Couldn’t they just replace the fags in the cabinet behind them with a big sign that says

FAGS AND STUFF HERE GET FIXED UP GOOD AND PROPER GO ON IT’S COOL ALL AT LOW LOW £££s UNDER THE COUNTER SERVICE

COUGH UP SOME PHLEGM POLITELY FOR A CIG-NAL!

FAKE ID WELCOMED

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]]> By: bcb http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/06/26/dont-rely-on-cigarettes-to-make-a-profit-sell-something-else-instead/#comment-47924 bcb Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:55:57 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=34559#comment-47924 Pete I think your just one of those people who dont like people that smoke aswell as the smoke it self. It appears your doing most of the whinging here, i bet your a serial moaner :) Pete
I think your just one of those people who dont like people that smoke aswell as the smoke it self.
It appears your doing most of the whinging here, i bet your a serial moaner :)

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]]> By: Guernsey gal http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/06/26/dont-rely-on-cigarettes-to-make-a-profit-sell-something-else-instead/#comment-47922 Guernsey gal Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:02:31 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=34559#comment-47922 Pete I can assure that you will still hear old so and so died/got cancer and never smoked. My best friends 17year old son got lung cancer and he had never smoked, luckily he made a full recovery and I know of other cases where people have got lung cancer and never smoked. Check out the facts before you talk rubbish!!! Pete

I can assure that you will still hear old so and so died/got cancer and never smoked. My best friends 17year old son got lung cancer and he had never smoked, luckily he made a full recovery and I know of other cases where people have got lung cancer and never smoked. Check out the facts before you talk rubbish!!!

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]]> By: Peter http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/06/26/dont-rely-on-cigarettes-to-make-a-profit-sell-something-else-instead/#comment-47911 Peter Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:19:46 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=34559#comment-47911 I smoke occasionally but cannot understand the greed of governments around the world. If the intent is to seriously reduce the number of people smoking, just ban the sale of cigarettes, cigars and any other tobacco based product. The only barrier is the loss of tax revenue. I smoke occasionally but cannot understand the greed of governments around the world.
If the intent is to seriously reduce the number of people smoking, just ban the sale of cigarettes, cigars and any other tobacco based product.
The only barrier is the loss of tax revenue.

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]]> By: Pete http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/06/26/dont-rely-on-cigarettes-to-make-a-profit-sell-something-else-instead/#comment-47888 Pete Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:01:53 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=34559#comment-47888 Same old smokers tosh, I've heard it time after time for many years, poor old smokers what a joke!. I am old enough to remember when lung cancer was first linked with smoking. The point smokers made very forcefully then was that old so and so died of lung cancer and they never smoked!.Today you wont hear that because we now know just why they contracted lung cancer. Nobody has the right to inflict harm on others and smoking does harm others wether smokers ignore it or not. Whinging smokers, I've been called a whinging nonesmoker for decades so get used to it for the days when a considerate smoker smoked and the considerate nonesmokers put up and shut up are long gone. Same old smokers tosh, I’ve heard it time after time for many years, poor old smokers what a joke!.
I am old enough to remember when lung cancer was first linked with smoking. The point smokers made very forcefully then was that old so and so died of lung cancer and they never smoked!.Today you wont hear that because we now know just why they contracted lung cancer.
Nobody has the right to inflict harm on others and smoking does harm others wether smokers ignore it or not.
Whinging smokers, I’ve been called a whinging nonesmoker for decades so get used to it for the days when a considerate smoker smoked and the considerate nonesmokers put up and shut up are long gone.

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]]> By: Mitch http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/06/26/dont-rely-on-cigarettes-to-make-a-profit-sell-something-else-instead/#comment-47855 Mitch Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:38:25 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=34559#comment-47855 I can see both sides of the argument but in my humble opinion I suspect that banning the display of cigarettes will do nothing to hold back the tide of youngsters who will begin smoking through peer pressure and the older people who have spent a lifetime doing so. If the States really had any backbone they would ban smoking and tobacco products entirely not just pick on certain cosmetic details, but of course this is too much of a cash cow to kill off. What would replace all that lovely tax that the government is benefitting from each time a packet is sold? BTW, I gave up smoking years ago and have never been tempted back by the display cabinet in my local corner shop. I can see both sides of the argument but in my humble opinion I suspect that banning the display of cigarettes will do nothing to hold back the tide of youngsters who will begin smoking through peer pressure and the older people who have spent a lifetime doing so.
If the States really had any backbone they would ban smoking and tobacco products entirely not just pick on certain cosmetic details, but of course this is too much of a cash cow to kill off. What would replace all that lovely tax that the government is benefitting from each time a packet is sold?
BTW, I gave up smoking years ago and have never been tempted back by the display cabinet in my local corner shop.

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]]> By: Holly http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/06/26/dont-rely-on-cigarettes-to-make-a-profit-sell-something-else-instead/#comment-47853 Holly Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:32:20 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=34559#comment-47853 Alcohol and unhealthy foods are displayed openly on the shelves of supermarkets and in shop windows. The decision to target cigarettes and to put small shopkeepers out of business appears to be a random one and poorly thought out. Alcohol and unhealthy foods are displayed openly on the shelves of supermarkets and in shop windows. The decision to target cigarettes and to put small shopkeepers out of business appears to be a random one and poorly thought out.

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]]> By: part time smoker http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/06/26/dont-rely-on-cigarettes-to-make-a-profit-sell-something-else-instead/#comment-47846 part time smoker Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:37:05 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=34559#comment-47846 Well said Student Bob, Tobacco displays should be taken down, cigarettes should be stored on a shelf under the counter. The claim that businesses will go out of business is ludicrous. Everyone knows about smoking, you hardly need to advertise it - nor do you need to advertise that you sell the product. This would not effect business! Well said Student Bob,

Tobacco displays should be taken down, cigarettes should be stored on a shelf under the counter.

The claim that businesses will go out of business is ludicrous. Everyone knows about smoking, you hardly need to advertise it – nor do you need to advertise that you sell the product.

This would not effect business!

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