THE true cost of Guernsey’s legal high problem can be revealed today by the Guernsey Press.
The Health and Social Services Department has disclosed that the number of adults admitted to hospital following the use of legal highs was around 75.
Of those, 10 remained in hospital for more than 30 days.
The average stay was 13.6 days, with 35 people being admitted for less than a week.
The approximate total cost of on-island treatment for adults was £450,000.
In addition to that figure, the department estimated that around £250,000 had been spent so far this year on on-island treatment for people under the age of 18. There are also community help and States Analyst costs.
‘Exact figures are difficult to collate, but the on-island cost of health and social care services for people who have used legal highs is around £750,000,’ said a department spokesman.
‘Add to this to the £400,000 so far for off-island treatment and, with two months still to go, we are looking at a total in excess of £1.2m. for the full year.’
Health and Social Services minister Hunter Adam revealed in the States last week that sending legal high users to the UK for treatment had cost taxpayers more than £400,000.
Commercial importation of legal highs was banned in April, but people can still buy them for personal use via the internet or in the UK.
In the Assembly last Wednesday, Deputy Adam criticised retailers.
He said: ‘Legal highs are damaging young people’s brains, yet people see fit to sell these things.’
Deputy Adam estimated around 30 people had been sent for off-island care as a result of legal high use.
nÊFollowing the Health minister’s statement, many over-16s interviewed by the Guernsey Press called for a ban on the legal substances.
The youngsters claimed legal highs were damaging users’ mental health and were worse than illicit drugs. THE true cost of Guernsey’s legal high problem can be revealed today following investigations by The Guernsey Press.
The Health and Social Services Department disclosed that the number of adults admitted to hospital following use of legal highs was around 75.
Of those, 10 were at the Princess Elizabeth Hospital for more than 30 days.
The average stay was 13.6 days, with 35 people being admitted for less than a week.
The approximate total cost of on-island treatment for adults was £450,000.
In addition to that figure, the department estimated that around £250,000 had been spent so far this year on on-island treatment for people under the age of 18.
‘Exact figures are difficult to collate, but the on-island costs of health and social care services for people who have used legal highs is around £750,000,’ said a department spokesman.
‘Add to this to the £400,000 so far for off-island treatment and, with two months still to go, we are looking at a total in excess of £1.2m. for the full year.’
Health and Social Services minister Hunter Adam revealed last week that sending legal high users to the UK for treatment had cost taxpayers more than £400,000.
The commercial importation of legal highs was banned in April, but people can still buy substances for personal use via the internet or in the UK.
In the States last Wednesday, Deputy Adam criticised retailers.
He said: ‘Legal highs are damaging young people’s brains, yet people see fit to sell these things to islanders.’
Deputy Adam estimated around 30 people had been sent for off-island care as a result of legal high use.
Following the Health minister’s statement, many over-16s interviewed by the Guernsey Press called for a ban on the legal substances. The youngsters claimed legal highs were damaging users’ mental health and were worse than illicit drugs.
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As previous posts indicate I am extremely concerned at the level of so called “legal high” usage.
It would however be helpful to the public if either the Guernsey Press or the HSSD would publish a comparison between the costs of treating cases related to legal high usage and those related to:
- alcohol misuse
- smoking
- other hard drugs
- solvents etc.
Such a report would help the public understand exactly how bad the problem is and where resources should be allocated. It would also give a broad indication of the scale of substance misuse on the island, rather than just focusing on one particular issue.
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welcome to nanny state guernsey , if you want to go to the toilet please can you put your hand up first! , have we got no right to make our own choices? ridiculous!! bring back the germans , all is forgiven..
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If they are documented as doing so much harm then why not make them illegal in Guernsey under class C?
Or do we have to wait for the UK to take the lead?
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yazers, did you actually think about that comment before putting fingers to keyboard? perhaps you failed to notice the subtle difference between the States and the Nazis:
If you do get yourself hooked on drugs the States will treat you; the Nazis on the other hand would save themselves the trouble and either shoot or gas you. Yes, it might be 100% effective, a “final solution” so to speak, but I think I’ll stick with the treatment option.
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I agree with Paul Le P, I am all for bans etc but I want some comparative data first.
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Was the GP on legal highs when this was written?? This is going straight in the Student Bob Crapbook of GP articles, right after my previous favourite “Lunatic Psycho Copper Beats Granny”.
Paul Le P asks a very good question, and I’d like to add this…. from a study in NZ: 26 million legal highs and party pills used between 2000-2008. NOT ONE SINGLE admission to hospital from appropriate use in accordance with the manufacturers guidelines. Hospital admissions during that 8 year period were caused by overdose, excess alcohol or combining the legal high with harder drugs.
There’s a big chunk of this story missing. C’mon GP, fill in the blanks!!
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i’m glad you said “subtle difference” paul.
i totally agree with yazers. what has happened to freedom to choose? so when is the smoking ban, prohibition of alcohol kicking in? solvents, sweets, summers days? anything that can alter your state of mind? of course there are people that misuse drugs, legal drugs and herbal highs but what percentage? some people speed in their cars, so what next, bad all cars?
there have been limited clinical tests carried out on herbal highs so no one knows how bad they may be for you or the long term affects if any.
does that give the narrow minded, no doubt ill informed stats the right to stop people enjoying themselves?
close all the pubs, burn down the bowling alley and lets have a 6:30pm curfew.. and ban TV!
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If you compare it please don’t forget the money the States are receiving on duty and taxes for cigarettes and alcohol
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Can someone tell me how much money is spent dealing with people drinking each year including:
1) Treatment of health problems due to alcohol
2) Rehab cost for those wanting to give up
3) Costs to the police and courts for dealing with alcohol related crime.
4) Cost to the States for street cleaning and repairing damage caused by drinkers in town.
5) The cost to industry paying for alcohol related ’sick days’
I agree that no-one yet knows the long term affects of these legal highs but we ALL know the long term affects of alcohol and tobacco but the States are quite happy to sit back, take the duty/tax and let the carnage happen! But if someone wants to sit at home and get stoned then all of a sudden there is a massive problem in society.
I don’t get it!
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We also need to remember that when they say ‘True cost’ it will include people with previous health/drug problems where legal highs has only been a factor in their on-going treatment.
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jojothehelpermonkey, the word “subtle” in my post was extremely tongue in cheek.
I don’t have a problem with people questioning the level of government involvement in people’s lives – many people including myself share the concern that the state interferes too much with people’s lives, although at times I think some regulation is necessary.
What I do have a problem with though is ill-thought out remarks such as “bring back the Germans.” Perhaps both yourself and yazers should speak to some people who lived through the occupation, or maybe even speak to people from Germany who resisted the Nazi regime – the ones that weren’t executed for thinking differently that is.
If that’s too much bother, google Aktion T4, Holocaust, Hitler, Nazi or Dietrich Bonhoeffer and spend some time reading about what happened in those days to people who didn’t fit in and valued freedom before contemplating whether the States of Guernsey even vaguely resembles that regime.
Ignorant and flippant remarks such as yazers “bring back the Germans” comment not only add nothing to the discussion, they actually switch people off to what might be some valid points.
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I think thay should of put a 25 age limit on the legal highs!!! i am a legal high smoker . I hold down 2 jobs a flat and have a very active life and there is nothin wrong with my mental health!!! like the others say we wont be aloud to have a drink soon or a fag in your own house this so called health and safty rubbish is just getting to silly proportions now!!! i am saddend that my life is run by idoits that just want to own us like puppets and keep pulling at our stings . But one day enough people will stand up and say NO to being teated like slaves and robots . come on people this is our lives we should have the right to do what we want to our own bodies. And to be honist if all the people on the island that take theses legal highs stood up and said no it would be half the island . peace to all my friends xxxx
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paul le page my ”bring back the germans” remark was also tongue n cheek , but what i’d like to say is instead of our draconian completely out of touch with modern day life states members rushing to ban legal highs why dont they take a look at themselves and ask why local kids of 13 are turning to these substances in the first place? i think you’l find its because there is nothing other than hanging round on street corners available to them in the evenings and weekends…
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Hi Joby
You say “And to be honist if all the people on the island that take theses legal highs stood up and said no it would be half the island”
Slight exaggeration perhaps, or are you seriously claiming that half the island population (approx 32,000+) either take or have taken “legal highs”? I’d be amazed if 5,000 people have.
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yazers – Accept your point about your “bring back the Germans” comment….although I still don’t think a comment like that does you any favours.
I agree 100% with your point “why dont they take a look at themselves and ask why local kids of 13 are turning to these substances in the first place?”
That is also my main concern. It’s been written before on these pages that if “legal highs” are banned people will turn to other things – I think this is true and why a major part of any drugs strategy should be finding out why people turn to substance abuse at all, whether that be spice, alcohol or whatever.
I’m not overly concerned about those who like the odd pint or spliff, it’s those who are excessive and/or habitual users that concern me. I think a need for such excessive escapism is a manifestation of a deeper issue.
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Yazers:
Re your last sentence… there is significantly more for young people to do these days than ‘when I were a lad’. Therefore the excuse you tender is poor to say the least.
This legal high argument is bound to carry on for a very long time – perhaps almost as long as the cannabis pro/against debate that is still alive today.
Many drugs if consumed illegally or to extreme can be the catalyst for behaviour that is socially unacceptable, and that places a drain on our publicly funded resources.
The question is, how do we stop people consuming such drugs to those levels? Personally, I do favour making legal highs illegal. How to stop people drinking to excess is a valid, but whole other argument altogether.
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so, the bill for treating patients that have taken legal highs was £400k?
wow.. that’s a lot of money… right? i wonder how much the states of guernsey spend a year to treat alcohol related illness and cigarettes?
how many millions?
but hey, as long as the duty covers that cost its ok? its ok to suffer and die drinking and smoking but legal highs, for which again there are no real clinical test results that give an indication of the damage they can cause, simply cannot be allowed on the island…!!!
or am i missing the point?
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Anyone know a source where we can view these ‘reports’? I’m interested to see what symptoms those being treated were admitted for. Also, does anyone have figures relating to the tax generated in Guernsey from the sale of legal highs (I want to see how this compares to the alleged medical costs)?
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completely agree with ‘JOBY’ , im a 30 year old man whos used recreational drugs for 13 years without any problems , im sick of being told what i can and cant do by some ill informed jump the gun states members , i have been told by some youngsters that their friends are going to doctors faining depression from legal high abuse so that they get prescribed harder drugs like valium which they can then sell on , but as usual we all have to suffer thanks to a couple of idiots.
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See above:
Commercial importation of legal highs was banned in April, but people can still buy them for personal use via the internet or in the UK.
This statement is incorrect.
I recently purchased legal highs from the internet but upon delivery they were intercepted by HM customs informing me (via an enclosed letter in the original packaging) that it it illegal to import “legal highs” into Guernsey !!! obviously the statement above is not correct ?
JV
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Paul Le Page
I’d be willing to bet that half the population have taken legal highs.
Alcohol? Nicotine? Caffeine? They’re all legal highs aren’t they?
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Phil
Of course you are correct however Joby’s comment was writing in the context of the “legal highs” mentioned in this article (e.g. Spice etc).
It would actually be interesting to know how many people locally have used “legal highs” such as Spice.
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James – perhaps this article will clear things up:
http://www.gov.gg/ccm/home-department/customs-immigration/press-releases/-complete-ban-on-the-import-and-export-of-certain-emerging-drugs-of-concern-legal-highs.en
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Yazers…
” why dont they take a look at themselves and ask why local kids of 13 are turning to these substances in the first place? i think you’l find its because there is nothing other than hanging round on street corners available to them in the evenings and weekends… ”
I’d say the reason that these 13 year olds turn to the substances might have more to do with the fact they’re perfectly legal! Now the Sates Members have looked at themselves (as you rightly suggested), they realised that even 13 year olds are taking these stupid drugs, and now action is being taken.
If there really is nowt to do then why don’t these 13 year olds just go to the pub and have a quiet beer? Oh, because its illegal!
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St Peter, your post is stunning in it’s level of naievty. Do you really believe that 13yr olds don’t drink alcohol because it’s illegal? And that they don’t experiment with drugs such a speed and cannabis because they are illegal?
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James, when did you place your order? I can’t see that customs has any justification for confiscating your order.
I’m also waiting for a delivery that was ordered a few weeks ago. Customs told me they had detained the package but nothing further.
I spoke with a legal high retailer earlier today. He said 20 odd of his packages to Guernsey had been stopped.
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Stunning? Thankyou.
Short answer to your questions. Yes, yes I do.
Nat, I wonder if you could explain to me why 13 year olds DON’T experiment with drugs such as speed and cannibis?
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St Peter, Of course 13 year olds experiment with drugs, legal or otherwise. Solvents, alcohol and cannabis have “traditionally” been the drug of choice. It’s not widespread amongst that age group, but to suggest it doesn’t happen is wrong. And the incidences of drug use (and then possibly abuse) increase with age.
The introduction of legal highs such as spice, mephedrone, methylone and 3-FMC (3 fluromethcathinone) have perhaps caused a trend towards these substances due to the availability. But to think that the banning of their importation is going to stop 13 year olds wanting to experiment is just incorrect.
Prohibition is never the answer, and in fact causes more danger because it results in narcotics of unknown purity being ingested with the sad effect of possible disability and sometimes death.
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Nat, personally, I’d go so far to say that St Peter is dangerous in his or her naivety.
At least with (il)legal highs we had a substance that was, in the considered opinion of medical experts, comparatively safe in comparison to alcohol, tobacco and other illegal drugs. the risk is now that these 13yr olds will be experimenting with harder, more dangerous substances, like tobacco, or the more readily available illegal drugs, like MDMA or coke.
Guernsey has a drug problem, everywhere does, there’s no shame in it. The shame is when ill-informed opinion and politics removes the safer options, leaving chemicals that have and will continue to kill.
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When are people going to realise that prohibition doesn’t work. Has it worked for ANY of the illegal drugs? To say ‘yes’, would be to say that the people who wish to do them, do not because it is illegal………or that they cannot get hold of them/find it difficult to. Which is not the case. All prohibition does is, as Nat said – increase risk of dodgy cutting and increase drug-related crime as people gripped in the illness of addiction try to fund their habits (this does not always happen but is quite usually the reason for drug related crime).
And no matter how much SOME people would like to put a barrier around guernsey between it and the rest of the world, the rest perhaps understand that this is not the way to deal with things.
Plus, criminalising legal highs and other drugs tends to mainly affect the end user, easy arrests for the police and not a lot of impact on the actual trade, save for the occasional ‘big’ widely publicised bust.
This problem will not even begin to be resolved until it is sensibly approached and recognised in a realistic manner.
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Thankyou Yazers for your understanding of what i was trying to put across and p le page you obviously dont really know this island as yes at least half have used a legal high e.g spice,top draw more and more adults use it then kids ! i would love for everyone who smokes it to grow some balls and admit it then we would see a , and so would you and every one else!!
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I’ve been reading the above comments with interest.
I use Spice recreationally, in the same way that one would have a cigarette, or a glass of wine after work, as a way to relax – (I don’t smoke cigarettes, and only tend to drink at the weekend).
I have personally never experienced any ‘ill effects’ from it, or found that I couldn’t stop smoking it, or have become depressed etc etc…
I’m 26 years old, have a good job, good social life etc and am certainly not the type of person that someone may class as a ‘drug addict’.
It really annoys me that something that has been designed for people to enjoy in moderation is abused by a few idiots who then spoil it for everybody else.
Like others have commented, there is far more widespread (and expensive) abuse of alchohol and cigarettes, but of course these substances won’t be ‘banned’ because of the tax the island makes on them.
Even food is is ‘abused’ by many people. I dread to think how much the people of Guernsey pay out towards obesity treatment in the island. Are the States going to ban crisps and chocolate next?!?! I can just imagine the headline…!
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Sarnia, the local cost of treating obesity and diseases directly related to obesity costs us £5.5 million per year.
It costs us 5 times more to treat than legal highs and affects 1 in 5 Guerns. Will we be seeing a ban on crisps and mars bars? Will customs be impounding pies and pie-related products on import?
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Sarnia:
It is normal in society that the minority spoil it for the majority – many of our laws exist to protect the majority from the minority. I agree it is sad, but I am sorry to say that if you have to give up using Spice in order to protect society from it’s naiver and weaker members (in other words protect decent members of the public from extreme legal high abusers) then I think that is a sacrifice worth making. Of course, if as a community we could trust all the adults perhaps setting an age limit on the purchase and supply of legal highs would work – but sadly, once again the minority of irresponsible adults would let the majority down.
Also, re the argument that is put forward by some that cannabis is safe and should perhaps be legalised – you only have to look to the UK, and the re-classification and the re-re-classification to realise that this opinion is naive. ‘Softer’ drugs DO create a path, for some, to the abuse of harder and more dangerous options. It is not scientists that will tell you this, it is professional practitioners. The same can, without doubt, be said regarding the consumption of legal highs. Ask professional practitioners – they will tell you (they are the ones NOT sitting there in white coats).
Also – Student Bob – there really is a shame in our society having a drug problem. It is a big shame and we should be jumping all over it, not playing it down.
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Truth Man, no. We’ve been conditioned, as a society, to fear drugs. Imbibing substances has been around since the year dot. Tribes all over the world still routinely take substances that our society has banned. You never hear of shamanistic tribes in the Peruvian amazon smashing windows, urinating on war memorials and stabbing each other after an all night ayahuasca binge do you?
We needed to accept that people will take drugs and then make available the safest options, which, with legal highs, we had. The shame is that we are so societally short-sighted, the shame is that we still worship alcohol, the shame is that tobacco is still sold, the shame is that obesity is accepted. We’ve plenty of more dangerous things than legal highs to be ashamed of.
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Joby – I liked your comment “i would love for everyone who smokes it to grow some balls and admit it” – I agree with you (although if/when it becomes illegal I doubt that will happen)and I trust your bravado as an anonymous poster on this website is equally as strong in real life?
Giving yours/my comments some further thought, I’ll need a bit more convincing than your posts that 50% of the population have taken legal highs such as Spice, however I’ll admit I think my initial “guess-timate” of around 5,000 could well be on the low side. I wouldn’t be surprised if 20% had tried them but again that’s pure speculation on my part – as is your view that at least half the population has.
In fact it’s pointless debating this as neither you or I have concrete evidence to prove the point: I guess the conclusion we can both make is that it would be good to know accurate figures on the number of regular users / experimenters rather than just speculating! :-)
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joby
i know this island very well and if you think that half of the population has taken legal highs then i think it`s time you gave them up as you seem a little deluded mate:). Surley if sales were that good old mr O would be driving a porche by now?
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Bob:
Actually, I’ve just checked my copy of the local rag “Amazonian Press” and there are stories in there of rape, murder, torture and the wanton smashing of the local flora and fauna.
What was weird about their news paper was that they didn’t once mention the problems at the Sunken Gardens in Guernsey, or the Friday night North Plantation issues. I guess our local news doesn’t travel to them as quickly as theirs travels to us…..
Come on Bob, we shouldn’t be making excuses for drug abusers who affect our society. If there was a way to ensure people only took drugs in their homes and thus didn’t affect others or place a drain on our health care then perhaps we could ignore their habit. As it is, sadly that is not the case.
However, I totally agree with your comments re alcohol, tobacco and obesity although these should be looked at AS WELL AS the legal high issue and not instead of.
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Ive been doing legal highs since they came out and i’m happy to say i’ve had no side effects!!! It does my head in I recently ordered a package which was stopped by customs. So I rung them and they said it was because I didn’t have a label on it saying ” Customs Declaration Within ” yet the other 3 weeks I ordered it I had no problems gettin it in! Now i’ve lost £90 cause of it.I rung my supplier and he said he’s never heard of it in there lives and they said they are in contact with royal mail who tells them exactly what to put on the packages, so are Guernsey Customs pulling the wool over our eyes!!!!!
Also about health issues the people who are saying they have issues cause of legal highs are the ones that do it to get prescribed drugs like valium by saying they are depressed or paranoid or have anxiety! Then they sell the valium for £2 – £3 a pop. People will only take these legal drugs if they want to I think personally there is nothing wrong with them i do legal and illegal drugs and legal ones don’t even compare to illegal drugs! Anyone who says legals cause harm are talking a load of BULL****!!!!!!
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@ paul le page thankyou for your post i belive your right in saying that we will never know the true Estamate on legal high takers , and @ brb did you know that ‘Mr O’ did accutaly make his fisrt million ‘ yes thats right i said million’ within 2 years of legal high sales from the shops and whenever i went in there were at least two people in there at any one time buying draw and other related substances makeing approxamatly 30 pounds a costomer if not more so i wouldnt be surprised if thay have got porche’s MATE !
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Banning legal highs is going to do nothing but harm. I am a regular user of legals and ill stand up and say that i am not going to stop using them just because its illegal. If they wanna make an example out of perfectly good people that just wanna have a good time let them cuz ill be laughing if get put in prison for importing some reserch chemicals and herbal incenece. No matter what people are always going to have addictions. Whether its legals, illegals, alcohol, caffine or even food your taxes are gunna go on treating there addictions. All your doing is making criminals out of normally good people. All ill say is you’ll be spending all peoples taxes on our up keep in prison instead of our treatment.
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Joby
That still doesn`t mean half the island has smoked them does it?. (dont forget he supplied Jersey aswell)
And if Mr O made that much well i think all the buyers have been well and truly ripped off. How much i wonder does it cost to make a packet of that stuff? pennies i would think but good luck to him anyway.
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The only people who want legal highs and the like banned,are,and always have been the idiot, do gooding self righteous “you will do as i tell you boy!” fools, who believe that they know more than the decent folk who have been doing it for half a century or more.For those who bask (and soak the rest of us) in there own ignorance, please, for one minute, listen to the adult population that know what they’re talking about! I’m not talking of the doctors and Experts who have been politically bound and gagged, but the intelligent,decent folk who have been users of recreational “drugs” all their lives and know the effects and possible downsides (if any).If you don’t want your kids getting involved, then maybe i suggest you learn to control THEM before trying to control the rest of the population! Have some thought for other people please!
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People are not perfect, why force people into being perfect by taking things away from them that are frowned upon by ‘higher’ people.
People who take these drugs are usually put down, is this not a form of discrimination?
A stereo type of a drug taker is seen as someone who is dirty, ASBO, mental problems etc however im a regular drug taker and have been for a few years yet when i did exams and also the course im doign at the moment i am manging to score highly on grades
In the course i am doing at the moment i am hitting perfect grades, 100%, how have drugs affected me? They havent!
Stopping people from doing legal highs is discrimination, the states are only looking at the people that are costing them money because these people are the stereotypical form of druggies, have the states not looked at people who live normal lives while taking these ‘legal highs’?
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i don’t agree with the fact that they have banned these legal high however there are some serious health risks linked with these legal high’s, the thing that makes me laugh is most are a replacement for pretty much the safest narcotic known to man,
cannabis and due to the over the top penalties and the fact that guernsey seems to concentrate its customs on this fairly safe substance means drug traffickers would tend to import mdma (E) or heroin as the penalties are very similar but are easier and more profitable to import which means it is easier to get these hard drugs then to get cannabis.
as for the truth mans statement of this being a gateway drug that is absolute B S if u look at all the relevant information, 90% of heroin
users smoke cannabis but 90+% of cannabis users have never taken any hard drugs and of these people u can pretty much say 99.9%
have all tried alcohol first so which is the gateway drug?
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Great news all you users going cold turkey right now! The UK appear to be rushing in similar legislation soon.
Why is this good news??? Well the knock on effect is that in anticipation the producers have already started manufacturing and marketing cannabis-a-like smokable herbs containing chemicals that aren’t covered by the proposed new laws.
You know, just like I said would happen.
No doubt new powders and pills will turn up pretty soon too.
Since they don’t contain banned chemicals there is no reason the new mixes should be detained by our Customs either.
That was an all round great success, high five!
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Customs = Fail
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i agree wif SB like what the f*** the gorverment let cigs and alcohol to be sold but when people want to just sit at home a chill out and have a few splifs we are not aloud to the gorverment is f***ed up they kill iraqs and just rack the world if there soo interested about the legal highs they would legalist proper weed and get proper people to sell it and grow it soo its clean i think it just down to money as what the gorverment good at taking money off people i hope they get whats coming to them
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KYLE
I assume from reading your post that you have now run out of spice?
Try a few evening educational classes instead of frying your brain with whatever you can score.
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KYLE seems to have smoked so much that he can no longer contemplate full stops!
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Paul
lmao
For god sake give him back his spice.
If ever there was a reason to ban it then Kyle has just given us one.
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What a pathetic animal the human is.If he can’t smoke or drink himself to death at great cost to the decent people then its got to be drugs.Does one have to drug oneself to be happy,does the world not offer better?And if you study the news you will see that many of these drug taking “humans”have taken to robbing old ladies of their purses to finance their drug taking,injuring many in the process.Ah yes,what a wonderful lot we are!
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@Donald Remfrey
Another attempt at a philosophical post gone badly wrong.
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Donald, how many old ladies get robbed in Guernsey, for any reason (not just drugs)? Pretty much none.
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