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Comments on: Housing hires security firm to patrol Bouet http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/11/10/housing-hires-security-firm-to-patrol-bouet/ Island News, Sport, Community & Lifestyle Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:02:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: saddened man. http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/11/10/housing-hires-security-firm-to-patrol-bouet/#comment-56494 saddened man. Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:43:54 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=39302#comment-56494 Congratulations to you all. A glorious waste of time and invective, arguing semantics over who exactly said what to whom. Any of you actually going to get off your backsides and try and DO anything? Any of you give up your time to actually go and help anybody else? If you are one of those trying to make a difference, then thank you. If you're not, then please stop this ridiculous armchair posturing and go out and find out for YOURSELF what is and isn't being done. Don't rely on a petty, sensationalist local paper which is more concerned with printing its own opinions than in printing anything which actually matters. Have a nice day. :o) Congratulations to you all. A glorious waste of time and invective, arguing semantics over who exactly said what to whom.

Any of you actually going to get off your backsides and try and DO anything? Any of you give up your time to actually go and help anybody else? If you are one of those trying to make a difference, then thank you. If you’re not, then please stop this ridiculous armchair posturing and go out and find out for YOURSELF what is and isn’t being done.

Don’t rely on a petty, sensationalist local paper which is more concerned with printing its own opinions than in printing anything which actually matters.

Have a nice day.

:o)

]]> By: CCTVWatch partner http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/11/10/housing-hires-security-firm-to-patrol-bouet/#comment-56487 CCTVWatch partner Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:00:43 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=39302#comment-56487 Ray The system both you and Mr Bee maybe refering to, is avialble now. I quote "If someone could invent a CCTV unit which could produce pictures which don’t look like they’ve been taken on a foggy night in a snowstorm then it may well be worth the investment" Just go to www.cctvwatch.co.uk and click CCTV comparisons. Say no more. Ray
The system both you and Mr Bee maybe refering to, is avialble now.
I quote “If someone could invent a CCTV unit which could produce pictures which don’t look like they’ve been taken on a foggy night in a snowstorm then it may well be worth the investment”

Just go to http://www.cctvwatch.co.uk and click CCTV comparisons.

Say no more.

]]> By: Beaufort http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/11/10/housing-hires-security-firm-to-patrol-bouet/#comment-56483 Beaufort Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:40:27 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=39302#comment-56483 Phil. Instead of being sarcastic, how about you suggest something? More Hotel Les Nicolles I suppose, and liberal wishy washy touchy feely we must try and understand them claptrap which has got us where we are now. Phil.
Instead of being sarcastic, how about you suggest something? More Hotel Les Nicolles I suppose, and liberal wishy washy touchy feely we must try and understand them claptrap which has got us where we are now.

]]> By: Auntie GP http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/11/10/housing-hires-security-firm-to-patrol-bouet/#comment-56479 Auntie GP Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:13:57 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=39302#comment-56479 What is quite interesting in this debate about how to punish, is that no one has mentioned the fact that just a short time ago, the GP reportd on how the Community Service scheme was under threat due to funding. I think that an increase in fines, to make them truely hard hitting needs to be introduced, remove the option to do the time in prison (which then means we lose money from the fine not being paid, and they are costing the tax payer for their time incareated). Proceeds from the fine's should be diverted into the community service scheme, to ensure it continues to run. And why not make these offenders wear something like an orange jump suit that clearly indicates that they are doing what they are doing as a form of punishment, let the embarassment factor take an effect too. The service that one faces can first be to rectify the misdemeanour that they were convicted for where appropriate ie cleaning up the vandalism etc then they can carry out charitable odd jobs like painting the cheshire homes etc. They could also be put to work as manual labour on states projects - how much money could it of saved if the builders of the new schools etc could of used some free labour? Just a thought. What is quite interesting in this debate about how to punish, is that no one has mentioned the fact that just a short time ago, the GP reportd on how the Community Service scheme was under threat due to funding. I think that an increase in fines, to make them truely hard hitting needs to be introduced, remove the option to do the time in prison (which then means we lose money from the fine not being paid, and they are costing the tax payer for their time incareated). Proceeds from the fine’s should be diverted into the community service scheme, to ensure it continues to run. And why not make these offenders wear something like an orange jump suit that clearly indicates that they are doing what they are doing as a form of punishment, let the embarassment factor take an effect too. The service that one faces can first be to rectify the misdemeanour that they were convicted for where appropriate ie cleaning up the vandalism etc then they can carry out charitable odd jobs like painting the cheshire homes etc. They could also be put to work as manual labour on states projects – how much money could it of saved if the builders of the new schools etc could of used some free labour?
Just a thought.

]]> By: Phil http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/11/10/housing-hires-security-firm-to-patrol-bouet/#comment-56478 Phil Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:09:50 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=39302#comment-56478 What a fantastic idea - completely isolate petty criminals from society. That'll make them want to take some responsibility for their actions and become a contributing member of society. Errrrr, won't it? What a fantastic idea – completely isolate petty criminals from society.

That’ll make them want to take some responsibility for their actions and become a contributing member of society.

Errrrr, won’t it?

]]> By: Beaufort http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/11/10/housing-hires-security-firm-to-patrol-bouet/#comment-56463 Beaufort Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:30:41 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=39302#comment-56463 Just as an observation, whilst posting in this thread I've come across some quite interesting things about Singapore. I personally can't make up my mind about corporal punishment and it depends on which side of the divide as to whether it works or not.I'm still firmly sat on the fence. I had another idea which might work locally and would need the co-operation of the Press and some political leadership.It would be worth a try in my opinion and how about once a week the names and good quality photographs are published showing who these individuals are once convicted of vandalism and other crimes which are costing us all dear. A short piece explainiing what they did and how much their particular crime has cost us, then compare what the island could have spent that money on for the general benefit of all but this has now been wasted instead on putting right what the individual had smashed up or damaged. I would then encourage local business to refuse to have these people on their premises, if it was done collectively they would be made into social pariahs and it would take all of their time getting members of their own families to feed,clothe and generally look after them. This might make people stop and think of the consequences of their selfish actions and might be a way forward to making Guernsey safer and instilling a sense of pride in the place and at the same time extend some consideration to the other people who live on it. Just as an observation, whilst posting in this thread I’ve come across some quite interesting things about Singapore. I personally can’t make up my mind about corporal punishment and it depends on which side of the divide as to whether it works or not.I’m still firmly sat on the fence.
I had another idea which might work locally and would need the co-operation of the Press and some political leadership.It would be worth a try in my opinion and how about once a week the names and good quality photographs are published showing who these individuals are once convicted of vandalism and other crimes which are costing us all dear. A short piece explainiing what they did and how much their particular crime has cost us, then compare what the island could have spent that money on for the general benefit of all but this has now been wasted instead on putting right what the individual had smashed up or damaged. I would then encourage local business to refuse to have these people on their premises, if it was done collectively they would be made into social pariahs and it would take all of their time getting members of their own families to feed,clothe and generally look after them. This might make people stop and think of the consequences of their selfish actions and might be a way forward to making Guernsey safer and instilling a sense of pride in the place and at the same time extend some consideration to the other people who live on it.

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]]> By: Phil http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/11/10/housing-hires-security-firm-to-patrol-bouet/#comment-56448 Phil Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:05:06 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=39302#comment-56448 Beaufort The introduction of orange jumpsuits for community service, coupled with a modest increase in fines, is hardly likely to make too much of a difference in my opinion. If Guernsey's crime rate is to be reduced to that of Singapore I would humbly suggest that corporal (and maybe even capital) punishment would have to be introduced. Some people would obviously be in favour of that happening. I wouldn't. I also think your point about Singapore adopting British law is a little misleading. Firstly, Britain obviously did away with capital (and corporal) punishment many years ago, and as far as I'm aware trial by jury is still a feature of British courts. That isn't the case in Singapore however, where jury trials were abolished in 1969 and a SINGLE JUDGE can hear trials involving capital offences. Personally I would prefer to live in a community with a slightly higher crime rate (but with freedom of speech and a free press) than a society that has neither freedom of speech nor a free press, and where corporal and capital punishment are still frequently used. I guess that's where we differ. Beaufort

The introduction of orange jumpsuits for community service, coupled with a modest increase in fines, is hardly likely to make too much of a difference in my opinion. If Guernsey’s crime rate is to be reduced to that of Singapore I would humbly suggest that corporal (and maybe even capital) punishment would have to be introduced. Some people would obviously be in favour of that happening. I wouldn’t.

I also think your point about Singapore adopting British law is a little misleading. Firstly, Britain obviously did away with capital (and corporal) punishment many years ago, and as far as I’m aware trial by jury is still a feature of British courts. That isn’t the case in Singapore however, where jury trials were abolished in 1969 and a SINGLE JUDGE can hear trials involving capital offences.

Personally I would prefer to live in a community with a slightly higher crime rate (but with freedom of speech and a free press) than a society that has neither freedom of speech nor a free press, and where corporal and capital punishment are still frequently used.

I guess that’s where we differ.

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]]> By: CheesedOff http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/11/10/housing-hires-security-firm-to-patrol-bouet/#comment-56443 CheesedOff Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:55:33 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=39302#comment-56443 Yes Beaufort, this is what you have been saying all along if only others had read properly! These people/kids/parents surely must be held accountable for their actions and as such must pay. I too doubt that the four youngsters recently caught will receive fair punishment. Once again no lessons are learned and the behaviour continues..... Yes Beaufort, this is what you have been saying all along if only others had read properly!

These people/kids/parents surely must be held accountable for their actions and as such must pay. I too doubt that the four youngsters recently caught will receive fair punishment. Once again no lessons are learned and the behaviour continues…..

]]> By: Beaufort http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/11/10/housing-hires-security-firm-to-patrol-bouet/#comment-56421 Beaufort Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:47:07 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=39302#comment-56421 Phil. In view of your last post I suggest you engage with Brian Harper then, and stop putting words in my mouth. Good post Auntie GP. As an aside to my remarks, in the past I have had relatives who have lived in Singapore, and close family who have visited in the last couple of years, they have all stated they felt safer walking the streets of Singapore at night than the streets of St.Peter Port. Singapore since it gained independence in the 1960's did in fact adopt British and Indian criminal/common law, and enjoys Westminster style government. I think that Singaporeans would admit that yes perhaps some liberties are missing in their present set up but that it is more preferable than being surrounded by crime and the subsequences of crime. There are still aspects that I would adopt or take a 'leaf' singular (for the benefit of Phil). I was reading an article (which I now can't find) that described offenders convicted of low class crimes i.e littering, are fined from S$1000 and being made to wear orange jumpsuits and made to do community work. That would be a good starting point locally. This could be adopted here properly, by that I don't mean planting trees or bulbs, that seems like an activities holiday to me. At the moment there is no real deterrent and the mind set needs changing. I see in Saturdays Press I think it was, that some youngsters had been caught and some police spokesman said they will be dealt with severely. My immediate reaction to that was yes, no doubt they will be given a two month suspended sentence instead of one month pending social worker reports or similar. I would really like to see the island be collectively proactive in dealing with this. Vandalism and anti-social behaviour is costing this Island hundreds of thousands of pounds in taxpayers money, as I've stated earlier people caught causing damage should be made to literally pay and put right any damage caused and make the parents responsible for their little darlings actions. Phil.
In view of your last post I suggest you engage with Brian Harper then, and stop putting words in my mouth.
Good post Auntie GP.
As an aside to my remarks, in the past I have had relatives who have lived in Singapore, and close family who have visited in the last couple of years, they have all stated they felt safer walking the streets of Singapore at night than the streets of St.Peter Port. Singapore since it gained independence in the 1960’s did in fact adopt British and Indian criminal/common law, and enjoys Westminster style government. I think that Singaporeans would admit that yes perhaps some liberties are missing in their present set up but that it is more preferable than being surrounded by crime and the subsequences of crime. There are still aspects that I would adopt or take a ‘leaf’ singular (for the benefit of Phil). I was reading an article (which I now can’t find) that described offenders convicted of low class crimes i.e littering, are fined from S$1000 and being made to wear orange jumpsuits and made to do community work. That would be a good starting point locally. This could be adopted here properly, by that I don’t mean planting trees or bulbs, that seems like an activities holiday to me. At the moment there is no real deterrent and the mind set needs changing.
I see in Saturdays Press I think it was, that some youngsters had been caught and some police spokesman said they will be dealt with severely. My immediate reaction to that was yes, no doubt they will be given a two month suspended sentence instead of one month pending social worker reports or similar.
I would really like to see the island be collectively proactive in dealing with this. Vandalism and anti-social behaviour is costing this Island hundreds of thousands of pounds in taxpayers money, as I’ve stated earlier people caught causing damage should be made to literally pay and put right any damage caused and make the parents responsible for their little darlings actions.

]]> By: Auntie GP http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/11/10/housing-hires-security-firm-to-patrol-bouet/#comment-56406 Auntie GP Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:24:48 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=39302#comment-56406 Right, Phil, Beaufort. The way I read it is as follows. Beaufort commented that Singapore had been mentioned and that they have a low crime rate and so we could perhaps take a leaf from there book. This in itself is not stating that he/she feels that corporal punishment etc is right. However I can see why phil has drawn this conclusion as it is fairly rational as Brian Harper when mentioning Singapore also mentions corporl punishment etc. Either way does it really matter? Lets face it, this is never going to happen. In this western civilisation it was outlawed and I think there is very little chance of it making a comeback, although as an aside if anyone watched the drama The Execution of Gary Glitter, you would of seen the statistic that 54% of the adult population would like to see the death penalty re-introduced, it is fair to assume of that 54% a large portion if not all would also like to see the birch back too! This is one time when the Human Rights Brigade are a good thing and they will stop anything like this happening. Violence is never the solution and will only breed more violence. Lets get back to the actual thread here. Do the Boeuet Residents feel safer knowing that there are patrols? Yes. Did 2 potentially troublesome nights ie Haloween and Bonfire night pass off with little to no comotion? Yes. Has this represented value for money? We will never know as the details are unlikely to get published. But if the security patrols are acting as a deterrent then they are assisting the police whose role largely is to show up and the kids scarper and thats the end of the problem that night. Now it is the security patrol that show, the kids scarper and the police can get on with other matters that they can do something about. The sooner that the placed is bulldozed the better and then the redelopment can be carried out and we can see if you really can build crime out of an area. Right, Phil, Beaufort. The way I read it is as follows. Beaufort commented that Singapore had been mentioned and that they have a low crime rate and so we could perhaps take a leaf from there book. This in itself is not stating that he/she feels that corporal punishment etc is right. However I can see why phil has drawn this conclusion as it is fairly rational as Brian Harper when mentioning Singapore also mentions corporl punishment etc. Either way does it really matter? Lets face it, this is never going to happen. In this western civilisation it was outlawed and I think there is very little chance of it making a comeback, although as an aside if anyone watched the drama The Execution of Gary Glitter, you would of seen the statistic that 54% of the adult population would like to see the death penalty re-introduced, it is fair to assume of that 54% a large portion if not all would also like to see the birch back too! This is one time when the Human Rights Brigade are a good thing and they will stop anything like this happening. Violence is never the solution and will only breed more violence.
Lets get back to the actual thread here. Do the Boeuet Residents feel safer knowing that there are patrols? Yes. Did 2 potentially troublesome nights ie Haloween and Bonfire night pass off with little to no comotion? Yes. Has this represented value for money? We will never know as the details are unlikely to get published. But if the security patrols are acting as a deterrent then they are assisting the police whose role largely is to show up and the kids scarper and thats the end of the problem that night. Now it is the security patrol that show, the kids scarper and the police can get on with other matters that they can do something about.
The sooner that the placed is bulldozed the better and then the redelopment can be carried out and we can see if you really can build crime out of an area.

]]> By: Phil http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/11/10/housing-hires-security-firm-to-patrol-bouet/#comment-56400 Phil Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:08:50 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=39302#comment-56400 Beaufort In your post on November 11 at 10.15am you said, "I see Singapore has been mentioned and I agree it is one of the most pleasant places where the general populace can go about their business and the perceived threat of crime is virtually non existent perhaps we could take a leaf out of their book." The only previous post that mentioned Singapore was made by Brian Harper on the same day at 12.44am, this post specifically mentioned corporal punishment, "Bring back the birch and get rid of everything in that hotel-like prison of yours that contributes to the comfort of prisoners. Replace with the bare necessities of life and a regimen of strict discipline exerted with corporal punishment when necessary. I guarantee you that Guernsey would soon be the safe happy place it used to be – just like Singapore." I think the conclusion that you therefore agree with Singapore's policy of corporal punishment is an easy one to make. It would be naive to think that their policy of capital punishment, together with forced military service, restricted freedom of speech, and a restricted press (amongst other things) go a long way towards creating a society that is virtually crime free. However, in the interest of actually hearing what you have to say, I am willing to retract my comment of you being in favour of Guernsey taking a leaf out of Singapore's book regarding corporal and capital punishment, and also the bit about the repressive regime. Perhaps now you could expand on how we could learn from Singapore, without adopting any of the aforementioned methods of punishment and maintaining all of the freedoms that we currently enjoy. Beaufort

In your post on November 11 at 10.15am you said, “I see Singapore has been mentioned and I agree it is one of the most pleasant places where the general populace can go about their business and the perceived threat of crime is virtually non existent perhaps we could take a leaf out of their book.”

The only previous post that mentioned Singapore was made by Brian Harper on the same day at 12.44am, this post specifically mentioned corporal punishment, “Bring back the birch and get rid of everything in that hotel-like prison of yours that contributes to the comfort of prisoners. Replace with the bare necessities of life and a regimen of strict discipline exerted with corporal punishment when necessary.
I guarantee you that Guernsey would soon be the safe happy place it used to be – just like Singapore.”

I think the conclusion that you therefore agree with Singapore’s policy of corporal punishment is an easy one to make. It would be naive to think that their policy of capital punishment, together with forced military service, restricted freedom of speech, and a restricted press (amongst other things) go a long way towards creating a society that is virtually crime free.

However, in the interest of actually hearing what you have to say, I am willing to retract my comment of you being in favour of Guernsey taking a leaf out of Singapore’s book regarding corporal and capital punishment, and also the bit about the repressive regime. Perhaps now you could expand on how we could learn from Singapore, without adopting any of the aforementioned methods of punishment and maintaining all of the freedoms that we currently enjoy.

]]> By: Beaufort http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/11/10/housing-hires-security-firm-to-patrol-bouet/#comment-56394 Beaufort Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:08:58 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=39302#comment-56394 Phil. You are doing it yet again. I haven't said 'Guernsey should follow Singapore'. I also want you to retract the allegation you aimed at me saying I advocated ' ‘like to whip/birch/kill other human beings, and who favour Guernsey becoming a repressive regime’, unless you can demonstrate where I've said that. It's quite simple. You have made a giant leap, from me saying we should take a leaf out of Singapores book,(and I'm willing to expand on that after you retract these ridiculous statements) you've equated that to Guernsey having State sponsored murder. There is little point in trying to have a calm rational debate if people don't read what the other side are saying, then put words in their mouth. Phil.
You are doing it yet again. I haven’t said ‘Guernsey should follow Singapore’. I also want you to retract the allegation you aimed at me saying I advocated ‘ ‘like to whip/birch/kill other human beings, and who favour Guernsey becoming a repressive regime’, unless you can demonstrate where I’ve said that. It’s quite simple. You have made a giant leap, from me saying we should take a leaf out of Singapores book,(and I’m willing to expand on that after you retract these ridiculous statements) you’ve equated that to Guernsey having State sponsored murder. There is little point in trying to have a calm rational debate if people don’t read what the other side are saying, then put words in their mouth.

]]> By: Phil http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/11/10/housing-hires-security-firm-to-patrol-bouet/#comment-56386 Phil Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:20:22 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=39302#comment-56386 Beaufort You really do have a problem revealing your true colours don't you? For the umpteenth time, you have advocated Guernsey following Singapore, Singapore has corporal and capital punishment, together with a restricted press and limited freedom of speech. The implication is that you are therefore in favour of Guernsey adopting similar methods of punishment and repression. If this is incorrect please advise the way in which you think Guernsey can follow Singapore to improve our way of life. Beaufort

You really do have a problem revealing your true colours don’t you?

For the umpteenth time, you have advocated Guernsey following Singapore, Singapore has corporal and capital punishment, together with a restricted press and limited freedom of speech. The implication is that you are therefore in favour of Guernsey adopting similar methods of punishment and repression. If this is incorrect please advise the way in which you think Guernsey can follow Singapore to improve our way of life.

]]> By: Auntie GP http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/11/10/housing-hires-security-firm-to-patrol-bouet/#comment-56385 Auntie GP Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:17:29 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=39302#comment-56385 Rob, in theory a smashing idea, but really, can a supposedly advanced, welfare state adopt such an attitude? It is disgraceful how many people use terms such as scum and pond life. I too grew up on a social housing estate, and I remember the stigma attached to us "scroungers" at school. Fortunatly for me I wanted more and had the parents (note parents not parent)to support me. A major factor here has to be the lack of good role models. Which is something that can effect every family no matter how affluent or poverty stricken. Children from broken homes as a general rule react to thier situation some self harm, some rebel against the parent (s) some abuse alcohol or drugs etc - this is not just limited to social housing. I am only summising, but I think that the people that damaged the sunken garden were more then likely from private housing sector rather then social. Why? Well why would they go and trash the sunken garden when they have their own "turf" to do with as they see fit. That is key here too, these youngsters creat "gangs" for want of a better word. Why do they creat something that they can belong too? So that they can feel wanted, and that they do belong to something, which demonstrates that they otherwise feel alienated by society. I put this to any of you that use terms like scum and feral, take a stroll down to any housing estate and talk to these people, engage with them. You will find that alot of them are bright and engaging charachters who would like nothing more then to drive round in Beamers and have a nice house, but they feel that it is impossible as people wont give them a chance. I challenge any white collar workers here to hand on heart say that if they were advertising for an office junior type role and sifting through the applicants you would NOT pre-judge ab applicant from for example, the Bouet. Of course you would - they are scum, feral, pond life. Then, once you have made that judgement they are already fighting an up hill battle, if they are fortunate enough to get to interview. And that my friends is where society fails. The white picket fence BMW brigade are happy to earn their big bucks, but if they had their way they would rid this island of any "feral" and live in a Wysteria Lane styled land of perfection. Well guess what, it doesnt work like that - you want to live in a welfare state, then you deal with the problem area's too. Rob, in theory a smashing idea, but really, can a supposedly advanced, welfare state adopt such an attitude? It is disgraceful how many people use terms such as scum and pond life. I too grew up on a social housing estate, and I remember the stigma attached to us “scroungers” at school. Fortunatly for me I wanted more and had the parents (note parents not parent)to support me. A major factor here has to be the lack of good role models. Which is something that can effect every family no matter how affluent or poverty stricken. Children from broken homes as a general rule react to thier situation some self harm, some rebel against the parent (s) some abuse alcohol or drugs etc – this is not just limited to social housing. I am only summising, but I think that the people that damaged the sunken garden were more then likely from private housing sector rather then social. Why? Well why would they go and trash the sunken garden when they have their own “turf” to do with as they see fit. That is key here too, these youngsters creat “gangs” for want of a better word. Why do they creat something that they can belong too? So that they can feel wanted, and that they do belong to something, which demonstrates that they otherwise feel alienated by society. I put this to any of you that use terms like scum and feral, take a stroll down to any housing estate and talk to these people, engage with them. You will find that alot of them are bright and engaging charachters who would like nothing more then to drive round in Beamers and have a nice house, but they feel that it is impossible as people wont give them a chance. I challenge any white collar workers here to hand on heart say that if they were advertising for an office junior type role and sifting through the applicants you would NOT pre-judge ab applicant from for example, the Bouet. Of course you would – they are scum, feral, pond life. Then, once you have made that judgement they are already fighting an up hill battle, if they are fortunate enough to get to interview. And that my friends is where society fails. The white picket fence BMW brigade are happy to earn their big bucks, but if they had their way they would rid this island of any “feral” and live in a Wysteria Lane styled land of perfection. Well guess what, it doesnt work like that – you want to live in a welfare state, then you deal with the problem area’s too.

]]> By: rob http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/11/10/housing-hires-security-firm-to-patrol-bouet/#comment-56383 rob Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:35:00 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=39302#comment-56383 so the houses are having windows broken and other such things? these houses that are to be demolished anyway...... just put some signs up saying its private property and those who enter do so at their own risk. that way no lawsuits if anyone hurts themselves. then let the kids/youths do what they want. if they want to burn the whole lot down, let them, its getting demolished anyway. if they hurt themselves in the process then so be it. lesson learned! so the houses are having windows broken and other such things? these houses that are to be demolished anyway……

just put some signs up saying its private property and those who enter do so at their own risk. that way no lawsuits if anyone hurts themselves.

then let the kids/youths do what they want. if they want to burn the whole lot down, let them, its getting demolished anyway. if they hurt themselves in the process then so be it. lesson learned!

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