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Scarlett Yes I will admit I like a good debate - or argument, whatever. There's no crime in that I think it is a good thing if people think about stuff and you are no shrinking violet yourself, so come on. I think there are circumstances where it is morally perfectly OK for someone who does not have a disabled badge to use a disabled space. Legally it may be forbidden but I believe there are some circumstances which even the law would forgive. There are plenty of people who are not able bodied but do not qualify for a disabled badge, had that occurred to you? Or is that too grey even for you? I never said Mr Ingliss was right but he didn't commit murder it was a minor faux pas! That's my opinion like it or lump it. I'm not sure exactly where HSSD corporate HQ is (I imagine somewhere on the PEH site) or how frequently those spaces are needed do you happen to know?