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Dave "So it has hurt them much more than it hurt us", how about that as misleading? Perhaps you could confirm how many jobs have been lost in Guernsey as a result of the LVCR debacle (a rough figure will do). Then we can multiply that by 1,000 and see if that many jobs have been lost in the UK, do you fancy a bet on who's come off worse (shall we say £100 to charity?). I don't know where you've been recently but have you not seen the job losses reported in the media (there are also lots of redundancies that have gone unreported, strange that). Guernsey always lags behind the UK in terms of economic impact, and this is what is happening now. Here's another bet for you (another £100 for charity?). I'll wager that by the end of 2014 there will be 1,000 unemployed in Guernsey, do you fancy taking that on? Perhaps you could expand on how the "doom and gloom merchants" will be proved wrong, rather than coming out with that type of statement without anything concrete behind it to back it up?