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Phil I told you that your comparisons are absolutely meaningless and actually what I said was that HMV closing down in the UK has led to a reported 4.000 job losses. On the issue of future unemployment figures, I am not going to get into the prediction game, as I said I base my comments on the information given regularly by those I have mentioned and you can put whatever interpretation you like on that. I have also never used the expression “rosy view” of the future, that again is your interpretation, what I have said is that I am confident that Guernsey will come through this difficult period and I have remarked several times that we have done remarkably well so far given the condition of the worlds economy. Because we don’t agree with your predictions on the economy does not make us wrong, it is just your opinion nothing else. The former T&R minister made his remarks on growth before the Eurozone crisis started and incidentally almost every western country has had to revise their growth forecasts down including the USA, so he has been in very good company. Your comment on living in the “real world “ is something I do everyday, I deal with people on every level of Guernsey society, many who are suffering over this prolonged period of austerity. I have dealt recently with several cases of people needing help, from housing problems, lack of income, child care issues and its costs, respite care and legal issues concerning children and property, so please don’t presume to lecture me on living in the real world, I am there every day. Finally on you last paragraph; personal insults are a sure sign of someone struggling to make their case.