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Spartacus Not missing you at all, don't flatter yourself. I was just very surprised that you weren't jumping up and down at the revelation that everything is moving towards implementation of the new scheme from 1st January 2014. Do you still think that it won't happen? The decision was clearly made ages ago that the current scheme was unaffordable and was not going to continue. Still not a single contribution on the topic on this forum from a single current deputy. They have clearly all been gagged, reinforcing the fact that this is a "done deal". Personally, I don't think that it goes anywhere far enough in shifting from defined benefits to defined contributions. The unions may well wish to consider that any resistance to the CARE scheme might well result in something far less beneficial to them. I do accept Kevin's view though that this has been very poorly handled indeed by Ed Freestone and the unions. It may not have made any difference to the eventual outcome, but that's really not the issue.