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Dave Jones perhaps it would be simplest if you could answer Michael Heseltine's question. "Why should the vast majority of people at work pay to sustain families who are out of work at higher living standards?” Clearly you feel this policy of high living standard in social housing is justified and I don't disagree with you. Nevertheless I believe this is a fair question and it is a question of equality which fits in with my lefty tendencies. I was not suggesting for a moment that modern decent housing should only be available to those who work, and nor was Michael Heseltine, absolutely not. The point which you are overlooking is that it is NOT available for many who work due to the escalation of housing costs in Guernsey. You participate enough on this forum to know full well that there is rampant "ill will and envy” towards those in social housing, please don't try to stick your head in the sand. No I'm not one of those who is envious of those in social housing, and you have probably read enough of my posts to know that. I am fortunate to have been independent. You are using this as an excuse to avoid the issue. I have not asked you to change your housing policy I have asked you to pay attention, as a deputy and policy council member, to the wider problem for those in private housing so that there is not a mismatch. Think about Michael Hesltine's question and ask yourself why are hardworking individuals who remain independent nevertheless too often forced to live in substandard accommodation in Guernsey like battery hens? You give a good talk but please try to listen to people too.