Guernsey: too well off to care?

Friday 8th March 2013, 2:46PM GMT.

ONE of the more disturbing reports was released yesterday by the Islands Child Protection Committee that reveals around 40 local children needed protection after being found to be suffering from physical neglect.

This means they did not have the basics like adequate food or clothing. Take into account those youngsters who didn’t quite make the ‘care’ threshold and those who haven’t been identified and it is a depressing indictment on this society.

Guernsey is frequently hailed as an affluent or wealthy community and a fantastic place to have and to bring up children.

It is – if you have money. If not, it is a particularly miserable place in which to be in relative or absolute poverty.

And looking at the statistics in the ICPC’s report, it is difficult not to see the influence of that divided society at work in the cases of neglect and deprivation – or wonder at the worsening of the situation.

Because so many people are doing relatively so well, the divisions between those who are not aren’t only financial, they are also emotional and psychological. Perhaps that’s why the child abuse due to violence and drink or drugs is also rising.

Guernsey is allegedly committed to tackling relative poverty. We say ‘allegedly’ because there is little evidence of progress. And in the absence of it, the likelihood is that it has got worse.

When the Townsend report was released in 2002 it showed that 3,000 households here were poor – some 16%.

Given the credit crisis, job losses and absence of pay rises, will that shameful figure have improved or got worse?

In many respects, this is a hidden problem. The decision-makers and their advisers do not rub shoulders with those for whom a half-million pound home, two cars and overseas holidays isn’t an aspiration but a daily, biting reminder of failure and isolation. No wonder the children suffer.

Government resisted even looking at relative poverty. Faced with the proof that it exists and is worse than expected, still nothing has been done, although Housing and Social Security did try.

Perhaps the brutal truth is that this community of haves doesn’t care about the have nots.


  1. 1
    Spartacus

    Superb editorial column.

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      Spartacus

      Whilst it doesn’t always work out I try to do a good deed every day

      Today’s good deed is to point as many readers (including / especially Deputies) as possible to the superb Emile letter to Eugene on page 35 of today’s Press

      Without doubt one of his very best

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  2. 2
    islander

    Rich versus poor

    When your rich

    you complain about how all those “lazy” poor people are.

    When your poor

    your too busy working to complain.

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    A.J.

    This is all true. Unfortunately the situation is unlikely to change as we have deteriorated into a selfish and uncaring society of, “I’m alright jacks!”

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    Island Wide Voting

    ” …. the child abuse due to violence and drink or drugs is also rising.”

    My parents were good hard working ordinary Guernsey people,certainly not rich but not exactly poor either.Thanks to them I have done a little better in life for myself and if all continues to go well my children and their children will do better than me

    Perhaps that’s why I can’t quite grasp why people who see themselves as poor resort to rather expensive illegal drugs and alcohol to ‘solve’ their problems

    It’s probably all too easy for me to type in the words ‘Get a grip’because I have never been in that unfortunate position and although I have no certificates or University qualifications to back up my feelings on what is no doubt a far more complex problem than I imagine I would have thought that helping people to learn how to ‘Get a grip’and take personal responsibility for bettering themselves would be a good place to start

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    • Spartacus

      Island wide voting/jack

      You might not be aware that illegal drugs and alcohol are frequently used as self medication for diagnosed or undiagnosed mental illness which can also have an effect on a person’s ability to acquire and sustain any form of lucrative employment.

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    Beanjar

    Whilst we are considering parents who are not providing ‘adequate food or clothing’ for their children perhaps we should discuss what they are spending their earnings or benefits money on. Hand-wringing while ‘the children suffer’ is not enough. Isn’t this often about terrible parenting as much as about poverty? What does the Editor think of parents who buy alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, sky subscriptions, tattoos, piercings and mobile phones instead of essentials?

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    • PLP

      We don’t know the facts of the 40 cases but there could be many reasons why children have suffered neglect. It could be plain selfishness or there could be mental health issues involved.

      I’ve long been a supporter of some kind of benefits voucher system to ensure essentials take priority. I know from past threads this idea doesn’t meet with universal approval but I believe, far from being demeaning, if done right it could help vulnerable people who find it difficult to prioritise their spending – either because they are plain selfish or more seriously because they are vulnerable and require help.

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      • Spartacus

        PLP

        I think you already know I am one of those who disagrees with the vouchers idea. I’m never a fan of trying to treat the symptoms of a problem, better to solve the underlying issues by giving people the support they need, addiction treatment, parenting skills, money management assistance, help with sustaining employment etc.

        If all other factors have been excluded and it can be proved that parents are neglecting their children due to pure selfishness then these people need to be dealt with as being unfit parents.

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        • plp

          Indeed I do Sparty. Actually I see the vouchers idea working in tandem with addressing root causes of poverty, which as you know I am all in favour of.

          Like healthcare, sometimes it is necessary to treat symptoms whilst getting to the root of the problem. Fir example, someone with high cholesterol might be prescribed tablets to bring it down before being sent to a dietician.

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        • Spartacus

          PLP

          We can agree to disagree about vouchers as I see them as flawed and unworkable although I had a look at your link and applaud the efforts of Guernsey welfare service to alleviate problems.

          In my experience they try diet first to reduce cholesterol and if that fails they resort to tablets. Just saying :-)

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        • plp

          OK bad example, I’m sure you get the point though. :-)

          Happy to agree to disagree as I seem to recall us discussing this on a previous thread. I think it’s reasonably safe to say we’re generally in agreement on where we want to be, we just occasionally disagree on how to get there….

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      • sarnia expat

        Totally agree with you PLP – voucher system does work, and is not flawed as other posters suggest.

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        • Spartacus

          sarnia expat

          Sorry but where is the evidence that a voucher system does work? Putting out a fire with petrol might work.

          Unfit parents will still find the means to finance their bad habits probably by stealing instead. They will still neglect their children vouchers or not. They can sell their vouchers in exchange for reduced value in cash. Shopkeepers can refuse to accept them. The cost of means testing will defeat the object.

          Is that enough flaws to be getting on with?

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    PLP

    Something else that might be of interest – I’m pretty sure the Guernsey Welfare Service provide a food bank service to people who are struggling.

    http://www.thisisguernsey.co.uk/charities/code/showcharity.pl?Autoincrement=000008&page=Home

    It’s not a long term solution but it can help for those weeks when times are particularly difficult.

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    sarnia expat

    Spartacus – no, most doctors over here prescribe tablets first for people with high cholesterol, cos usually the people have no self control and cannot follow a simple diet plan. Sorry if the truth hurts.

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    • Spartacus

      Sorry that’s not true in my experience which is what I said! If some doctors are that defeatist it is a waste of money, unhealthy and darn well irresponsible and should be reported. Change doctor!

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    Klaus Fluoride

    Two things to consider here:

    1. Everyone seems to accept as gospel the findings of the Townsend report. Look a little closer & you will see that the report’s definition of ‘poor’ may not be what you or I consider as poor – the report throws a rather larger net than you would imagine. In my opinion the 2002 claim that 16% of households were ‘poor’ is lefty socialisthog wash.

    2. Our welfare system that encourages having children as a career choice is in part to blame for these unfortunate children. Young girls who are not fit to work a minimum wage job are often not fit to be mothers either.

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