Eight immigrants arrested
Thursday 9th April 2009, 2:29PM BST.
EIGHT suspected illegal immigrants have been arrested by Customs after a week-long investigation, it emerged yesterday.
And more could follow after the service confirmed its Operation Wolf investigation was to continue.
‘The Customs and Immigration Service recently conducted enforcement action under the extended Immigration Acts and criminal evidence legislation with regard to Operation Wolf,’ a spokesman said.
‘This was a local investigation into illegal immigration; facilitation and work permit offences applicable to foreign nationals within the island.
‘As a result of this operation, eight suspected foreign workers were arrested after being identified as illegal immigrants.’
Five of those arrested were identified as Malaysian nationals and deported back to their home country.
Customs officials could not say why three still remained in the island.
‘A criminal investigation is under way and further enforcement action is anticipated and it is therefore not possible for the service to comment any further at this time,’ he said.
Customs would not reveal where or when the arrests took place.
It is also unclear how the suspected illegal immigrants got into the island and obtained jobs.
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Illegal immigration is pernicious and has been one of the downfalls of the UK. The rise of fanaticism which seems to accompany it cannot be underestimated- I hope those found complicit are made an example of in the same way as heroin dealers.
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Andy: ??????? Could you please explain what you mean by “fanaticism” and how you think it correlates with illegal immigration? Or is it just that you are against any form of immigration at all?
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Andy
How has illegal immigration been “one of the downfalls of the UK”?
Maybe Dave Jones can recite something?
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Good on Customs and Immigration; well done.
Belinda – stop being a sop and accept Andy’s statement; basically ‘illegal’ means just that, and Andy is statistically correct in correlating crime with illegal immigrants, whether this is fanaticism or otherwise.
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Belinda ILLEGAL means they are on the island and breaking the immigration laws,they should not be there.If the Immigration officers did nothing the island would be flooded with people from all walks of life taking the local jobs,housing,and an increase in crime……just like the UK !
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Try this just today re fantacism but Im sure Googling the subject will reveal all.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090410/tuk-police-urge-calm-over-terror-targets-dba1618.html
As for illegal immigration maybe take a peek here
http://www.workpermit.com/news/2006_07_04/europe/malta_illegal_immigration.htm
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immigration has been the downfall of the uk…
they need to be more like australia.
that postmaster in the news the other week was an example of the type you should let in to the uk. hardworking and wants to better himself. not just live of the state. the uk is in a mess and it will take many years to sort out, if ever.
it is very easy to slip into guernsey if you know what to do….on the other hand it is a right pain to do it the “right” way.
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What happens to England doesn’t bother me in the least,
Do unto others as they do unto you.
Now comes the pay-off. they took other peoples land, and now those others, having been taught by the English, are now reaping the harvest-
In a way it’s a pity, because most English people are alright, but you get those who think they are a cut above the others; they are the ones who will ruin England,
England with it’s ancient ideas and lordly manners what a load of old rubbish.
As long as there are knights and barons and people who think good of themselves then England is doomed. make no mistake.
Oliver Cromwell had the right Idea; History CAN repeat itself.
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the government should make their decisions more quickly on who can stay neil, as they are winning all our road running races. they are not being fair keeping them on the seeking immigration list!
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well i hear you all i’m legal immigration & i’m not here to take anybody’s job, where i come from i/we were called to come & work in this country, but what suprises me is that why they called us instead calling/employing locals? is it because they dont want to work or are they payed less???
if the locals can go & wash the dishes of the customers in restaurants after eating every day from breakfast, luch & dinner for 365 days x untill retiriring cause there is no pension is fine for us we can pack our bags & go back to our countries.
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I’m waiting for someone to explain why illegal immigration has been “one of the downfalls of the UK”, let alone anywhere else.
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I wonder what these illegal immigrants were doing over here. Were they working – if so their employers should received a large fine as they have committed fraud with relation to housing licences/tax/social insurance. If they were on holiday then there should not have been a problem so it probably was not that. If, as reported, they have come all the way from Malaysia that is an awful long way to come and must have been expensive so perhaps some other scam is going on which customs have managed to stop – if so very good detective work.
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Arnald – the reason it is the downfall I suspect is that it is seen to have created high crime rates, places of insular lifestyles and segregation, but mainly due to the loss of England’s ‘identity’.
If you travel through Blackburn for example all you see are Mosques.
Personally I believe that if you move to a country or place, you accept their laws, their language, their methods of religion, and either stick by them 100% or accept it in silence.
I do not believe it is right to have 50 translators on call at a Police station for differing religions, or have 6 different types of building to pray in within a square mile.
Drive through french villages and see how many mosques are there – virtually nil.
Drive through the UK and see how many there are.
You can call me racist if you like, however I’m entitled to my view and it is based on the general consencus of the what was once the majority and has become the minority.
If I moved to India I would accept their language, learn their language etc – a few people make good points in that historically the English invaded just about everywhere and lived by their own rules – I do not accept this behaviour either!
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Andy – the link you posted regarding fanaticism had nothing to do with illegal immigrants – one of the 11 was British born, and the other 10 were in the UK perfectly legally on student visas – which is precisely why I asked you to give some evidence of the link between the two. Of course illegal immigration is wrong and Customs are to be congratulated for dealing with this. But what have ILLEGAL immigrants to do with fanaticism. It was a daft comparison to make and all the more daft, having obviously read the articles you posted, to choose to defend your argument with an article about “fanaticism” in which the “fanatics” were in the UK legally!
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Arnald
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3656171.ece
Maybe take a visit to any major British city or even S Africa where they are removing Immigrants by the plane load or the link you socialistically chose to ignore regarding Malta.
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Agree with Leigh Haines. A system like that which Australia has should be looked at.
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Illegal immigration is just that.. ILLEGAL means its against the law,it costs the goverment (Taxpayer) many millions to send them back or let them stay.Luke is spot on with saying decisions should be made more quickly….. and without the Race Card being drawn or the PC brigade screaming their paranoid racism views. ILLEGAL immigration is just that..illegal,plain and simple.
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“Andy is statistically correct in correlating crime with illegal immigrants,”
And I include the English miscreants in that. On the crime front I see no reason why anyone who commits a crime is not immediately deported and not allowed to return to the island for 3 years. Used to be that way not so long ago.
Heaven knows we create our own crime waves without having having to import hoods.
Anyone noticed that most crime is commited by people who have numbers for house names? Little known fact – see GP if you don’t believe me
People who don’t have names on their houses are more liable to commit crimes
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OH NO!I have a number on my door,Ill change it and give it a name ! Think Ill call it … eeeer The Snob. Wouldnt want the people around here to think Im a Crook….OH hold on a minute…all the houses around here have numbers on the doors ! Better upgrade my alarm system too.
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Darren regarding your statement:
“Drive through french villages and see how many mosques are there – virtually nil.
Drive through the UK and see how many there are.”
Same answer, nil, because there are no mosques in British villages.
I think you are confusing villages and cities.
France has the biggest Muslim population in Europe.
“You can call me racist if you like, however I’m entitled to my view”
Yes, you’re racist and no, you’re not entitled to your view when it’s so obviously based on bigotry and not facts.
Answer me this, why are mosques such a bad thing?
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Do the crime page count Neil. Statistcally you are more likely to commit a crime than me ;0
May as well hand yourself in now, just in case
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Jackie – how wise you are, I have changed my address from Number 52 Acacia Avenue, to Mr Benn’s Palace.
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Belinda
I am not sure Student Visas allow for Terrorist attacks so Im guessing they broke the terms of their entry from Pakistan hence ILLEGAL!
Andy
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Rob
How quite incorrect you are.
There are places that are villages, and places that are cities. There are also, quite radically, places called towns.
To make a similar comparison to a UK village you would need to make a likewise choice, such as a French village. This provides a fair representation – same with towns.
To compare for example a UK town with a French city would be demographically pointless.
There are lots of mosques in French cities – I know that, however there are few in villages, whereas there are more in UK villages. The rationale therefore is that per capita more people who conduct their religious gatherings in mosques do so as a higher percentage in the UK for towns and villages than that of France. That’s the first point you got wrong.
Secondly – define racism for me?
I would love to know, under the Human Rights Act – to which article I have breached with my comments in regards to religion?
You Rob are one of those ‘do gooders’ that likes to pontificate about something which he knows little of. A bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing; I assume therefore you are quite dangerous.
My comments were to shed light onto Arnald’s query.
Do you know what a bigot is Rob? I doubt it, but let me enlighten you. Basically a bigot is someone who takes offence of views that another person makes that does not align with their own (as you have done).
Also – please tell me, where in my post did I suggest in any way I did not like Mosques??
I have been to many places of worship, of many religious origins and appreciate the beauty of the architecture and soul that goes into all these buildings – however you would not know this being as you are not clairvoyant; oh, sorry, I forget – you made an assumption.
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But Darren, you haven’t shed light on why illegal immigration has been ‘one of the downfalls of the UK’. All you’ve said is that there is a Muslim population in the UK. Are they all illegal? Are they criminals? Are they ‘one of the downfalls of the UK’?
I think you’ll probably find that most illegal immigrants are in the UK for economic reasons, being exploited by criminal gangmasters for profit. I doubt they are very fanatical more than paying their life savings to be suffocated in a box from China or somewhere.
I do not understand this casual connection between Muslims and criminality. Discrimination is quickly becoming ‘one of the downfalls of the UK’.
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Andy – have you ever seen “The Power of Nightmares”? To my knowledge, no terrorist attacks have actually been carried out in the UK recently.
The fact remains, that the students were not illegal immigrants. Just because a person steals from a shop, does not make someone also a murderer. Breaking one law, does not make you guilty of another quite separate offence! So, these students had broken no immigration laws (hence in the country legally) but may now be charged with a quite separate offence such as conspiracy. That in itself may see their legally obtained visas revoked but the fact remains that they were/are not illegal immigrants.
Darren – under the Human Rights Act everyone is entitled to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. So it is absolutely right that within a small area there are multiple places for people to pray. Or to do whatever their conscience dictates, provided it is not proscibed by law. Furthermore, there has never been this “golden age” in UK history when everyone spoke the same language, or prayed to the same God. (or gods) (or whatever people want to pray to). Or, indeed, when people agreed what was an acceptable way to pray or how to conduct their lives.
A little knowledge (of history for example) is a very useful thing. You castigate “Rob” and suggest he is a dangerous person. I would rather debate with a person who has at least a little knowledge, than with one evidently blinded by his own ignorance.
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Quote Darren “Personally I believe that if you move to a country or place, you accept….their methods of religion…”
Religious belief is not restricted to culture, nationality or ethnicity. Both Christianity and Islam have followers of all nationalities and both teach universal prosletysing. This is because it is not your nationality or culture that decides your religion, it is a matter of personal conviction (for example there are Christians in the Islamic Republic of Iran).
Belinda is right when she says there has never been a “golden age” in the UK. Although the Church of England may be the “de jure” national religion, this is not the case in reality as the majority of the population don’t follow it.
Indeed since its inception there have always been Roman Catholics in the country. In fact Britain has suffered far more from conflicts between those who profess to be Roman Catholics and Protestants (both of whom would do well to read Jesus’ teachings before claiming his name as authority for murder) than between Muslims.
Incidentally I am a ‘born again’ Christian and therefore believe Islam to be a false teaching. That doesn’t however give me or anyone else the right to prevent freedom of religion – or use my faith as some kind of nationalistic banner to promote bigotry, as the BNP have recently done.
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‘than with one evidently blinded by his own ignorance.’
Obviously a lefty. They don’t argue very well and always revert to abuse. Whereas the right don’t need to, arguments being far more coherent and unemotional.
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“Anyone noticed that most crime is commited by people who have numbers for house names? Little known fact – see GP if you don’t believe me
People who don’t have names on their houses are more liable to commit crimes”
Jackie, that is a very snobby comment to make. Do private flats have names? Do Apartments have names? Just because someone lives in a house or flat with a number rather than a name does not make them liable to commit more crimes.
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Merlin, it’s best just to ignore Jackie’s posts. They are a typical troll.
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Merlin
There is nothing snobby about the facts. Pick up any copy of the GP and you will find that the vast majority of offences be that traffic or criminal are from people who live in houses with numbers on their doors.
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LOL Merlin;
if Jackie summises I am a leftie she would be a righty?
Without getting overly technical, my personal belief is that I would rather countries retained their own unique identities, through culture, religion, creed or any other cultural heritage matters that define them as it is what makes them unique.
I believe that globalisation equates to the loss of identity within countries and that is sad, as heritage is a wonderful thing to behold.
Arnald – please see this link as a typical example to answer your question, I was not demeaning other religions merely reflecting the consencus to try and help you with your query – people jump to conclusions:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/may/18/immigration.ukcrime
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Darren – your view depends upon whether you consider heritage to be tied to a location (as you seem to) or to people (so that it follows people as they move).
I understand what you say about cultural identity changing when different cultures mix and cohabit in the same area. The question is whether you see that as bad or good. There are inevitably tensions in the locality if you have groups who are not truly integrated living near to each other (eg the midlands in England) but I would contend that the flip side of this is that there is less tension on a global scale. As Europe, America and other parts of the world have become more multi-cultural and less tribal, we have seen a reduction in global conflict and we see fewer people as strangers and we empathise with other cultures better. Look to the parts of the world where there is military conflict and it either boils down to tribalism or the perceived Western imperialism / oil money / islamic fundamentalism issue.
Which would you rather have? An increased number of mosques in the UK, or another world war becuase we all stay where we were born?
But all of that is irrelevant to the original article, because your posts about the existence of mosques in the UK and the open following of different cultures in this part of the world has nothing to do with illegal immigration. The vast majority of the people that you seem to be complaining about are legal immigrants.
So where is your complaint, other than the fact that you would like to pull into any English village and have a pint of warm real ale sitting outside while listening to the church (of England) bells tolling as you watch cricket being played (by non Indians / Pakistanis / West Indians / Aussies / Kiwis) on the village green with some ladies from the WI selling Battenburg cake in front of the village hall?
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Oh dear TL you are so wrong.
Most of the UK attacks have been home grown; 2nd/3rd generation immigrants.
Being a simple girl. Had their never been any Pakistan immigration that country would not have had muslims influenced by a foreign religion from a foreign country bombing children on London buses.
Battenburg cake and cricket vs Mosques? Easy.
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…still enjoying the irony of you folks waxing lyrical about your “Anglo-Saxon” traditions – involving German cake…
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I am astounded by the naivness of people regarding fanaticism and its connection to religion let a great atheist set you straight.
http://www.patcondell.net/
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Jackie – I said nothing about domestic terror attacks and whilst they may be shocking due to their closeness to home, they hardly rate as a ripple in terms of global conflict. So again, a few misguided fanatics or massed armies marching across Europe (or intercontinental missiles doing the same job)? I know which I would prefer.
And as you say, those involved in domestic terror attacks have been homegrown, so yet again illegal immigration is not the issue.
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Andy – no-one is doubting that fanaticism and religion go hand in hand. It is self evident that they do.
What people are questioning is that fanaticism and illegal immigration have any particular connection.
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On second thoughts after reading about crimes being commited by people with numbers on the door…look at the crimes being commited by those at 10 downing street.
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TL – illegal immigration has many factors.
Firstly there is the link to organised crime and profit to be made by people smuggling immigrants overseas (look at the boats sinking in the Med every month).
Secondly immigrants who arrive in a country (while the visa is temporary) legally but then subsequently commit a crime, have, by the definition of the law become illegal – you enter a country legally on the proviso that you are prepared to accept the local law and abide by it; this is the same principle Jackie has referred to in the past when she has stated people from the UK should be booted off Guernsey after they commit crime on the island.
As for Mosques the people who worship there are predominantly, i.e. the majority good, lawful obiding people, unfortunately you only have to look at the news to see what the minority are doing for their image by association:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2675769.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6675391.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/bristol/somerset/3559930.stm
Finally TL – if you consider a domestic terror attack not shocking then you need to see a counsellor as I can tell you that seeing people who have been in the area of a bomb is not pretty for the families of, the emergency services and the economy.
TL – You are niaive if you think that some ‘local’ 2 / 3rd generation as Jackie puts it, are not part of an international terror network funded by things such as, yes, you guessed, it, illegal immigration.
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Belinda
Where’s the irony in Anglo-Saxons celebrating Battenberg cake? People of Germanic descent waxing lyrical about a cake created in honour of German princes, seems perfectly logical to me.
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Darren, I think you need to think (and read my posts) a little more clearly.
a) i did not say that illegal immigration and crime are not connected. You are right that illegal immigration is often tied up with organised crime since there are organised methods of getting people into a country illegally. Secondly, if someone is on the fringes of society due to their illegal status then it is natural that they will have fewer qualms about committing crime. It is self evident that illegal immigration is unwanted and damaging to the legal society involved. I have not said anything to the contrary.
b) if you are a legal immigrant and you commit a crime, you are guilty of that crime. You do not suddenly become an illegal immigrant – you arrived in the country legally and until the state obtains a lawful order for your deportation you continue to be there legally. There are many cases where legal immigrants commit crimes in the UK and are not deported, either because the government does not bother to seek a deportation order, or because the courts refuse to grant one – and so they remain legal immigrants forever.
c) Now you talk of the minority damaging the image of muslim society in the UK by association. That I would not dispute, but that is not the point that you seemed to be making earlier when you were criticising the very existence of that muslim society. But the ones that damage the image of muslim society the most – those mad mulahs of East London – are fully known to the police and legally permitted to remain (until, in some cases their status changes and they are deported) – therefore, the damage is being done by a legal minority, not an illegal one.
d) if you read my post again you will see that I say that domestic terror attacks are shocking.
e) as to your final comment, do some funds from people smuggling from the middle east find their way to funding terrorism? Probably, but I doubt that it plays a significant part. Firstly, drugs grown in the region of Pakistan provides the vast majority of the funding for the training camps in Pakistan. Secondly, the criminal gangs that are involved in people smuggling largely do it for their own profit, not to fund some christian/muslim war. The domestic terror attacks have been extremele simple and low cost. The people involved could have used their pocket money to fund them.
My point is that both illegal immigration and domestic terrorism are wrong, but they are separate issues and the links that exist are superficial. The domestic terrorists are inspired by fanaticism and western foriegn policy and have been mainly British born. Illegal immigration is from many impoverished parts of the world, and I suspect that the proportion from the muslim world is actually very small. Those that come, come to this part fo the world looking for a better life, not to start a fundamentalist war.
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Andy – agreed there are religious fanatics that are prepared to kill / bomb / maim, just as there are also equally fanatical people with no religious beliefs who were/are happy to do the same thing – e.g. football hooligans / communists (e.g. the first atheist state of Algeria) / serial killers / extreme nationalists.
What does that prove? Firstly that fanatics of all races/colours/creeds/worldviews will nail their colours to pretty much any mast in order to provide a convenient excuse to do evil; second that people like Pat Condell will use that argument to lay the blame for pretty much all the world’s ills on their particualar pet hate – in his case religious belief.
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Well done Customs for follow up on your tip off..
But tip of ice burg springs to mind.. keep up the good work.
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So we are all agreed that the Police did the right thing in upholding the Immigration laws?
Or maybe anyone who feels that Immigration represents a real threat to our society are closet NAZIS?
My titchy brain is confused.
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If we could be rid of the fanatics on all sides, would we find the immigrants could then intregrate more easily – without fear or poverty – which would make their sub-cultures in turn appear less closed and threatening to others?
But there have to be limits on numbers, else there aren’t enough locals for all of them to integrate with. The pace needs to be slow, to overcome the majority’s nostalgic reluctance to admit change.
But illegals? – Root ‘em out and send ‘em home!
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The “Bourbon’s” were French Kings and “Garibaldi” was some Italian political fugure that hung around with Victor Hugo. Even got foreigners infiltrating our food now!
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Technically we are all illegal immigrants.
The neanderthals were here first, I think we should give the land back to them.
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TL – where have I stated in my posts that I am complaining about legal immigrants?
You are blinded by your righteousnous me thinks.
I have stated that I would rather places stay true to their origins, i.e. have their heritage than the impact of multicultured globalisation.
Simple as that.
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“I would rather places stay true to their origins” Darren, would you rather have us in caves chasing wooly mammoths with clubs and worrying about our lack of fire then?
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