Policy Council to discuss way island is governed

Monday 13th April 2009, 2:29PM BST.

0718603MINISTERS will discuss the future of Guernsey’s machinery of government at a special meeting within weeks.

It follows a call to merge Scrutiny and Public Accounts, which is being debated around the Policy Council table.

It was decided to leave that idea, raised by Housing minister Dave Jones, until a wider review of the Harwood changes made in 2004 when the States was streamlined but members rejected executive government.

Any review would not only look at the scrutiny process, but how effective the Policy Council sub-groups are among other issues.

If changes were recommended to Scrutiny, it would be decided by the States.

‘I was not disappointed at the outcome of Policy Council. My letter was intended to stimulate debate, which it did,’ said Deputy Jones (pictured).

A spokesman for the council said it had agreed to hold a special meeting to discuss the future of the way the island is governed.


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    Andy

    I vote for independence from the UK and therefore the EU superstate which is leading them now.

    Our politicians due to the size of our Island have to be democratic unlike the aforementioned who are making more incompetent decisions by the day.

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    Jackie

    Seems sensible to me to merge the two. Neither do anything useful so better to have one not doing anything.

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    Darren

    It might be of benefit to put someone in charge who has expertise in corporate governance, risk, finance, law and taxation.

    As opposed to someone who is liked by someone because they know them.

    Get a competent professional in for the job and not a loudmouth.

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    Eric

    I agree with Andy whole -heartedly:

    800 years – is by far more than enough.

    Wasn’t too bad when the Queenn had her say; but now she is overruled at every turn;

    So out and cry with Joy Free at least. Yippee!!!

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    Deputy Dave Jones

    My point on this issue was that these two scrutiny committees can hardly be described as independent when they are both populated by serving States members, all of whom sit on various departments of the States, The Chairman of Scrutiny sees this as an asset, I see it as people who are too often compromised by that very fact. he went on to say that if the two committees were merged Scrutiny’s role would be “diluted” we then read, that any new merged committee would be “swamped”, both of those unlikely events are clearly in the hands of the Chairman and his committee a strong leader of any new committee would see that neither position was true. I also read yesterday the Chairman of Scrutiny telling us that it had to be States members on these committees, as it was only they who had the experience of how departments are run, well most of the members of this present scrutiny committee are new members, so no experience there then and it is the very able scrutiny staff (civil servants) that bring these new members up to speed on department mandates etc, so it would not be too difficult for them to give the same detailed briefings to people selected to serve from outside the States and who would be truly independent of government. Of course we do have 3 new deputies who are ex civil servants who will be well aware of the inner workings of the States but that is not common and in any event independent should mean what is says on the tin, Independent of government. Also it is not unusual to find the mandates of the PAC and Scrutiny committee crossing over from time to time which is another reason why it makes sense to merge them both. I just want to get away from this idea that we can’t have proper independent scrutiny committees because we somehow have to keep control of the process through Politicians that in my view is part of the problem.
    The PAC does need to have people on it who have a background in corporate budgets and fiscal discipline I think that is a must. As for PAC and the clinical block, which has been held up as a way things should be done, far from it. There should have been a full blown public enquiry, which I called for, along with Deputy Trott at the time, not what we ended up with, a report that was all agreed behind closed doors, that left so much out, all the evidence not just the selected bits that were given to the WAO, All of it should have been heard in public with everyone involved giving their evidence in plain sight with the public and the media all watching.

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    Eric

    Many of us has been saying for years,

    Guernsey to be ruled by Guernsey men (that includes our weaker sex And a lot of them ain’t so weak.)

    So now it’s up to one and all;

    Don’t ask DEMAND;
    And at the same time all-ISLAND WIDE VOTING:

    The way it is now is how they came to take over Guernsey 800 years ago. By Voting for them selves.
    It’s ancient degrading and I believe unlawful: I’ll check that with the EU.

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