Defence contribution worthless, says peer
Thursday 13th August 2009, 2:00PM BST.
GUERNSEY’S contribution to the UK in lieu of paying for defence is worthless, according to a member of the House of Lords.
All Crown Dependencies contribute because the UK Government is constitutionally responsible for their defence and international representation.
But Lord William Wallace of Saltaire has said Guernsey’s input – maintaining the Alderney breakwater – has no relevance to the UK today as its main purpose is a local sea defence .
‘The Alderney breakwater is absurd,’ said the peer, who has been vocal in his criticism of the island’s constitutional relationship with the UK.
‘Guernsey puts out public statements that it contributes to British defences through the maintenance of the Alderney breakwater when the Ministry of Justice ceased to have any interest in it 59 years ago.
‘Jersey maintains a Territorial Army unit, so it does make a modest, but real contribution.’
Lord Wallace, who said this week that Guernsey’s 800-year-old constitutional relationship with the UK had to change because it was no longer appropriate, said the Alderney breakwater had for a long time been irrelevant to defence.
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Well he probably has a reasonable point here. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
However, if Jersey has it’s little army Guernsey could have a little navy and Alderney a little air force. We could then all declare ourselves neutral or form an alliance with Iceland and Ireland.
Sounds like a plan?
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This chap has a severe chip on his shoulder. I wonder what his real motivation is for being so critical of the island?
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Defence he says;
‘It took them 5 years to come. then the shouting was all over:
So long as they could bully they were happy;
Guernsey people are now wise to all their propaganda.
They want to leave that’s fine
Perhaps at the same time you’ll get out of Scotland Northern Island and England as well.
Go nback nmto nsaxony wheren you came from.
MY LORD bull,,,,,
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I suppose he has a valid point. The breakwater is of absolutely no use to the UK – only to Alderney as a sea defence barrier, so in effect Guernsey contributes nothing to the UK defence budget, unless we contribute in another way, in which case I would be genuinely interested to know how.
However if a need arose Guernsey would expect to be defended by the UK, and if we don’t contribute, why should they bother? I don’t think some historic allegiance would be sufficient justification in these austere times.
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Thousands of Guernseymen and women risked and lost their lives fighting two world wars for Britain. They were volunteers and chose to fight.
The least Britain can do is return the favour.
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This guy is a menace. On what basis does he think his opinion is more important that a centuries old treaty that has given this island its consitution freedom to govern itself for all these years. I would be HORRIFIED if anybody even thinks of reasoning with this idiot. Leave us alone. It’s just sour grapes that they have messed up thier own economy and are looking for ways to squeeze more money out of the crown dependencies. See this for what it is – revenue gathering……
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FGrank:
If another war should come to Europe, not all the mechanism , planes or men woulds survive; the actual fact; the waste on defencers is a thing conjured up by these old Colonel BLimps By Gad WHAT HO! OLD CHAP
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Does he give the same rant when addressing crown protectorates?
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he has a point about the break water,
he doesnt have a point about a worthless contribution, many local people serve or have served in the armed forces, a relative of mine was killed in a major conflict in the last couple of decades, they were from Guernsey,
he is porbably just hasnt got over the last time Guernsey made an alliance and won a military victory over the (UK)! (1066 and all that)…isnt that nearly 800 years ago….there you go, thats the link!
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What about Guernsey’s contribution of manpower to the Armed Services? Something that has always been considerable, and worth much more than money or words. Willy Wallace’s words are best ignored – to call him a Çolonel Blimp’is investing him with a stature he can never hope to achieve!
Ah, but yes, eh?
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Well said AC and what did they do to protect us nothing
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This stupid peer (wonder how he got there?) is so ignorant; naturally it puts him in line with the rest of that ignorami.
But think LORD BULLS… who was brave enough to save Canada from the Yanks, who was one Admiral that at one time sved the neck nof your over papmered One neyed , one armed admiral.
Which vbery small Navy blockaded Brest and stopped Napolean.
The nIsland paid in blood, and you treat us with dirt, but it fits,. for you are filth nof nthe worst kind Over paid pampered dressed like Doll in na shop window. A laugh to the sane world drop dead you irk.
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sorry about the spelling above it ran away from me, But I meant every word I wrote; these so called Lords are truly laughable with ideas nearly as big as their heads.
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Only yesterday I was looking at the War Memorial in St Peter Port for all of those who gave their lives for King and Country in WW1.
I think Guernsey has paid already.
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Posh Liberal Life Peer contested five elections and failed to win a seat!
Lichtenstein as no problems being neutral go for it and save some money.
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What’s the difference between the Alderney Pier and a Life Pier?
One is old expensive and to maintain. the other one you park boats alognside.
Ba – boom!
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Yes the Alderney breakwater is an irrelevance but he needs to appreciate that Guernsey’s assumption of responsibility was intended as a convenient political compromise and was never intended to be a proper financial contribution to the UK defence budget.
I am not aware of us claiming that we contribute by having that responsibility, but if we do make those claims then maybe we should stop as it is a bit of a red rag to the Westminster bull.
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TL
are you suggesting pacifying those across the Channel?
They can go where their ancestors come from.
We’ll manage without them, and methinks a damned sight better generally than now.
Never Ever give in to bullies.
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Someone will correct me I’m sure but at the time the UK paid for the upkeep of the Alderney breakwater and we either contributed, or they wanted us to contribute £1million a year for ‘defence’. The States decided to take over the management of the breakwater and all of its future costs in lieu of a cash contribution.
The early- to mid- eighties when this deal was discussed.
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Neil – you are basically right. The UK government asked for a contribution due to the expense of the Falklands War. Guernsey did not want to set a precedent of contributing direct (the UK had already mooted the idea of annual payments) and so the compromise was reached that Guernsey would simply maintain the breakwater so that the UK would not have to.
A political fudge – typical of all dealings with the UK.
Eric – no, not trying to appease, just recognising that it is not in our interests to antagonise.
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That’s what Chamberlain said;
it ended with the most bestial war in History only Genghis Khan was worse.
An we the Islanders ended with 5 years of pure hell; no you’re not appeasing, what do you call it.
We may be small in comparison so was David when he met Goliath; well we have better,
Most of us have the belief in Our God.
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The loud lord spoke,out of lack of knowledge me thinks. The British Navy will need a deep water harbour on our side of the channel in the future. There will be a need for more security across the English Channel, & we could see Dutch,French and possibly German navies harbouring there.
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There are so many things that this ignorant peer should learn:
He has his land and estates because his forefathers were rogues and stole it from the Brits.
The English has the Audacity to call it the ‘English Channel* it’s correct name is ‘
La Manche’ (meaning the sleeve).
His like; in the past to be so audacious in naming the then ruling monarch as Empress of India.
All over this world they stole and fought to have that which wasn’t theirs
Now they have lost it all they try bullying a small Island
They were instrumental in the demise of our industries; thus making way for abominable Tax Havens.
It might interest his big headed self to know that in 1923-The English demanded (Take note demanded) and annual payment of £600,000per annum. Sensible State members of the day (note that you states of today) refused with stubbornness.
The trouble ended in 1927 with the English accepting a once-for-all gift of £600,000.
With that it was confirmed that Guernsey had constitutional independence. and was duly noted into the affairs of the home office. (He should read those papers)
So in my opinion and many others like myself, that peer would do well to take a long walk on a short pier at high tide.
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How much do the Falkland Islanders contribute to the UK for THEIR defence ??..and as Brian says, many of us have served with HM forces over the years, I never met any Falklanders!!
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I’m afraid that the Governments of the UK has never been honest not even with their own people.
Did they ever tell the people that it was their money (as taxpayers) that restarted the WV car industry immediately after the war?
And today UK motorist pay top prices for cars that their money started.
Oh and lots more from that band of rogues known as the CC Controlling Committee: Oh yes many things were kept from the people.
The Nuremberg trials gave you an insight of how they treated those murderers and vile Nazis. but then again Family is family.
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@Eric. It takes some degree of skill in mental gymnastics to leap from the debate on our contribution towards UK defence to the resurrection of VW cars and the Nuremburg trials.
I’m afraid I’m struggling to keep up with you. What is your point?
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The point since you can’t see the reason
is the fact that it’s taxpayers money wherever it comes from is used foolishly.
They want Guernsey to pay more, yet their own tax monies are foolishly squandered.
So to the point you cannot understand.
‘Whatever that Government across the water does it’s nothing to do with us;
Let those banks who feather their own nests pay up to their own people and leave the Guernsey people to resolve our own affairs without the constant threats from out of date Lords and such like.
And in the blog it was mentioned about the Alderney breakwater; well it was the English that built it, without so much as -”By your leave” so let them repair it.
But no like Malta just leave.
so that’s another point for you to rake over.
To me it sounds as if you don’t like hearing the truth of what has been written..
They waste money like we drink water—
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Why contribute? Why expect defence in return? Both have proven to be white elephants in the past so perhaps we should go it alone.
Doug – I’m with you, I’m willing to bet there is a message in Eric’s riddles somewhere!
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The point of my “riddles” as you call them is to point out how the English waste so much money, that they think they can bully a small Island to donate out of fear.
The fear being they’ll not defend us. Fair enough; just tell me where and when they did defend us, “Take,” hey’re good at that.
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Is this Defense we’re supposed to be paying for the same sort of defense we got 70 years ago ………
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Eric, I think you’ll find it’s a couple of Scots who are flushing away the money at the moment.
However, now you’ve explained your ‘riddle’ I take your point. Any contribution would indeed drop into a big pot and be lost.
Maybe as Jersey funds a TA regiment Guernsey could open and support a Royal Naval Reserve unit? There would benefits for the island in terms of allowing people to perform a form a of civic duty and also a good investment in terms of leadership training etc…
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I think Bert’s earlier comment sums things up well.
In times of war Guernseymen and women have never shirked in their duty to fight in the British armed forces. Many have paid with their lives. This may seem like a “worthless” defence contribution to Lord Wallace but I would beg to differ.
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To be honest I don’t buy in to the Guernsey men fighting in wars or serving in the British Armed Forces argument that a few people have referred to on here.
Years ago, when fighting in the war was a true fight for a way of life Guernsey men did so, as they too wanted to contribute to liberation from the Axis forces. Granted, the British Forces did not ‘liberate’ the Channel Islands, but there is no doubt that the contribution of the Guernsey men was not for England, Scotland etc – it was for the entire Allied side of which Guernsey was a part. And, ultimately, Guernsey did benefit from the contribution made by the many many thousands more UK soldiers than was made by Guernsey soldiers (even pro-rata the UK contribution was greater than Guernsey’s).
Nowadays, people join the British Armed Forces because it is a job that pays. And people leave the Army etc having travelled, and many have gained qualifications.
So let’s be totally honest about this, at no point could Guernsey honestly try to suggest that Guernsey men have fought for the UK and that this is Guernsey’s contribution – they have fought for themselves, for their own very valid reasons.
If the UK were to try to use the ‘our men fought in the war’ argument to justify not having to pay for defence, who would pay for it? No one would that’s who, if we all tried to get something for free.
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CD Lord Wallace didn’t say anything about Guernsey Servicemens sacrifices being worthless. So your differings irrelivant.
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I don’t know who this Lord is and what he has done so I wont start by criticising him but surely he has a valid point if GSY are claiming through a breakwater that we are contributing to defence.
Why shouldn’t Guernsey make some sort of contribution to the MOD in return for Defence? I know we have many Guernsey men and women who fight currently and have done in the past, so why not show them our support by contributing something? Fair enough you cannot be sure exactly what the money will be spent on, however surely better than giving no support at all!
I think it would be a great idea to have a TA unit or a Royal Naval Reserve this would provide a greater link between the BA/Navy and Guernsey.
A lot of people referring back to WW2, I understand the defence during WW2 was non existent, however times have changed a lot since then and we can’t keep on referring back to a tragedy that happened 70 years ago!
By the way I think Eric you may have a ‘small chip’ on his shoulder! Instead of discussing the topic you have waffled on with irrelevant riddles for several pages!
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I don’t think for one minute Lord Wallace gives two hoots about the Alderney Breakwater and Guernsey’s contribution to defence. The fact is he doesn’t like Guernsey’s current status and is using every opportunity to dig deep in the trough for mud to sling in order to change it. His intentions run far deeper than our defence contribution.
Look beyond this issue to the deeper motivation – that is where our attention should be focused.
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Bert – “Only yesterday I was looking at the War Memorial in St Peter Port for all of those who gave their lives for King and Country in WW1.
I think Guernsey has paid already”
How many English lives did it take to get to a stage whereby Guernsey was able to be liberated in WW II?
Don’t you think the UK has also “paid” Stop thinking in 3 dimensional terms….
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CN;
Chip on my shoulder; not not all
There’s a b.-..great block,
You people I have ‘noticed’ have no idea of the double dealings of the UK.
You think they are all angels; the only Angels in the UK are the working population; and they have to put up a Goverment who run around like headless sheep.
And that other one who wants a kind of boys brigade, were you there when the Soldiers ruled the roost from the fort, and our island was treated as badly as they treated their colonies. NO THANKS,
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You know Sanguine;
awful as it might sound, but with you referring to how much it cost liberate us, may I and I’¨ve already said it sounds awful<; but if you wish to bring statistics into this, then it was the UK that declared war.
Necessary of course and having no option.
But this blog is not here to condemn the UK, but to point out that one of their “Noble” lords wishes to insult a little Island with his big mouth.
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The UK did declare war, but its also a worthwhile point that France doesn’t pay defense to America, Canada, Britain and everyone else to numerous to note, who gave their lives to free her.
Guernsey would have been freed, defense contributions or not.
So I don’t think its much to ask for the island to support a small unit, like he says. But as has been mentioned, this is not his real motivation, which is most likely targetting the VAT loop hole.
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Well Sanguine be that as it may,
But if the world and any country, Island or even a boat at sea has to ask for protection then this world is lost.
When I say ask, if you’re not in the club (Paid up member) then you can fend yourself.
What a ghastly thought, How low has the UK sunk to be such mercenary as to even think of payment for freedom,
Will they now ask Iraq, Afghanistan to pay up. I think that the UK has sunk so low that it will be difficult to climb back,
This will be remembered. we are like elephants we don’t forget.
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Truth Man
Is your name a dichotomy or something?
You said ‘the British Forces did not ‘liberate’ the Channel Islands’. Really? What is the 9th May for then?
And I’m sure the British Forces, and the rest of the allies which landed in France, Italy, Holland, Africa et al did indeed rid Europe of the Nazi occupiers. Then again my history might be a bit rusty?
If the UK had not stood firm, the Battle of Britain won, and Bomber Harris flattened German industrial production then Guernsey would still be driving on the wrong side of the road and sleeping with the enemy.
A good mate of mine lost his grandfather under a tomato truck next to the weighbridge. His family suffered first hand, not by some rationing, or having to wait a few years for liberation, but by a loss of life.
Times that a hundred thousand times and you have an idea of how many suffered to liberate dummies like you.
You make my blood boil with your throwaway comments and to think, my family put their neck on the line for you.
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Just for giggles, lets go independant – tell the UK we want nothing to do with them anymore ever again. If I were Mr Bin Laden and Co I would be sneaking my way over here and quietly going about my business, having my “pals” come over and visit and before you know it we would be over run with his gang and he would be claiming Guernsey as his own “Country”. And what would “us Guerns” do about it, oh we’d guffaw and have a meeting, have another meeting to discuss the 1st meeting, we’d get a consultant in and then we would delay it for year before starting again.
All the while Mr Bin Laden and his newly named Bin Ladeney (the former Guernsey) would have managed to get himself a pretty decent little spot in an tactically good stretch of water La Manche for you Eric and co or Channel to the rest of us. Hed be able to keep a close eye on England and Europe, knowing that England will not do anything to help because we told them we can manage ourselves thank you very much – and even though Mr Obama would probably be a little disturbed by it, my long lost cousing Gordon Brown (not to be confused with me) would have a word in his ear – maybe ask Tony to do it cause him and Barry Obama are better mates and say “leave them to it!”
Like I say just for giggle’s I know it is highly likely that it will never happen. Just like Good Ol’ Nev Chamberlain said back in 1939 eh!
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Bert,
The war in Iraq and Afghanistan are/were not solely for the purpose of liberation, they are for the oil (cynically) or for protection at home from terrorism (realistically). The price of an ulterior motive is that you have to come good on the anterior motive, which is the rebuilding and development of those countries. This was never the case with Guernsey and Jersey.
Ironically everyone pays for freedom, whether in cold hard cash or warm blood, freedom isn’t free. Can you really see the UK travelling the globe sorting out everyone’s problems for free?
I think the problem is we do forget, the price of freedom paid in British blood, is apparently worth a breakwater, which is worthless…
I would rather portion of my taxes went toward a Guernsey regiment, than to another one of the deputies hair brained schemes!
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Darren;
The British forces did come to Island on May the 9Th, that part is true.
But the battle for the release from German rule was instigated by Guernsey people who threatened the Germans with dire retaliation if they did not give in,
Those Germans were willing but that monster of an Admiral Huffmeier. refused to give in.
He lived in a house that had belonged to a Mrs Schreiber In Rozel Road.
His own Guards had him house arrested, until The British forces took him away and handed him to the French for atrocities he had committed in France, he was hung for those offences.
At that time I had more pistols, guns, machine guns than the bloney army. all of which I handed over.
The point in all this ; yes the UK forces did come, but by then it was all over; there was no such thing as being liberated; It was already done.
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Sanguine
The war in Iraq for protection at home from terrorism (realistically).
I didn`t know there was anyone left that actually still believed that sorry story.
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Oh Darren:
You’ve done it again. You failed to read my message fully, and you’ve got your facts wrong (although I accept to the uneducated such as you the title of 9th May is somewhat misleading).
My post was making the point that ALL of the Allied countries contributed to the war effort against the Axis Forces (Not just the Nazis by the way), and for that reason the suggestion by some that Guernsey has already made it’s contribution to the British Forces through supplying soldiers was invalid. See my point? If all the Allied countries suggested that the loss of soldiers during the second world war was some kind of a one off life long payment then who would pay for military defence NOW?
Your second point, about 9th May relies on a childish understanding of what we call ‘Liberation Day’. The occupying troops surrendered to UK troops after VE Day. Guernsey was not ‘liberated’, it was handed over – once the Allied forces had won the war on mainland Europe. In fact, if you study your history properly, the occupying troops in Guernsey had begun their hanging up of arms before the HMS Bulldog even arrived in our waters. In essence, my point is that there was no positive effort by the Allied forces in respect of the Channel Islands – the ‘liberation’ of the Channel Islands was a bi-product of the winning of the war on the mainland.
I’ve said it before about you Darren, and I’ll say it again, I will not waste my time replying to you on this topic again. You’ve again come to a topic with a lack of information, intelligence and understanding.
And about your mate’s grandfather under a tomato truck. Why wasn’t he out at war as my relatives were? Why wasn’t he fighting the fight? People like you, who live off anecdotes and expect to get something for nothing make me sick. He was lucky to be in his homeland and die here. It won’t be until you have been to the Menin Gate and been in touch with the War Graves Commission to find a lost relative that you will understand why I despise freeloaders like you so much.
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Apparently the UK MOD can’t find £6.6 billion of assets which appear to have gone missing.
At least we know the Alderney breakwater is still there………
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Eric – it is certainly true that the British forces did not come here while there was still a battle to be fought. But then again, the Guernsey resistance would hardly have stood a chance if the British forces had not been clearing out Western Europe at the time – so the efforts of the British forces (including Guernseymen) to liberate France, etc led directly to the liberation of Guernsey.
If they had tried to liberate Guernsey by force I doubt that there would be much of our fine heritage standing to celebrate today.
I am as resistant to modern UK influence as you, but I am happy to view history in the round rather than from a narrow perspective.
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Truth Man
It is good that you won’t reply to this.
This is a message to all Guernsey people – as of today, going forward there will be no 9th of May Liberation Day as Truth Man states it is a sham. It never happened.
Of course it was a pre-arranged signing; of course the ‘surrender’ was done to an agreed timetable. That is what happends when the OIC, or CO hands over control of his or her troops. This can be before or after the fighting stops – how dumb do you think people are?
You relatives were fighting were they? They must have been strong people, as was your parents no doubt – they must be, having to raise a dumbbell like you.
He was killed under a tomato truck at the age of 41, a bit old to be fighting I think.
How would you know if I haven’t been in touch with the War Graves commission? You still teaching Clairvoyance at your Institute of Pomposity. LOL.
Truth Man – Truth is, you would be the first to be running in the other direction.
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bcb,
I didn`t know there was anyone left that actually still believed that sorry story
Only the people that dont read the Daily Mail….
You are a leftist aren’t you?
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Eric & TL:
I think your last posts hits the nail squarely on the head. An interesting insight into the truth. I am a firm believer that the title “Liberation Day” is somewhat misleading as it does tend to suggest that we were actually liberated by some positive act, which we clearly weren’t.
However, there is no doubt that it was the contribution from ALL Allied forces & associated parties (home land security, resistance movements etc) that led to the surrender of the occupying forces.
But to bring that point back to the topic in hand, I have to reiterate that the contribution made by everyone in the war is not a down-payment of some kind, or a one off lifetime membership payment entitling us to free defence cover from the UK for the rest of time.
If we want ‘defending’ by the UK we need to cough up. If we don’t want to cough up then we have to accept we will not get it for free.
Referring back to my first post on this thread, I do wonder whether we would be better going it alone, partly on the basis that in WW2 the Allied forces did not protect us, or fight specifically for our freedom. We were lucky enough to benefit from; the UK’s initial stance against Hitler, the inclusion of Commonwealth forces through fear of invasion of the UK mainland, and the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour. Without these factors we would without doubt be writing these comments in German.
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And one last point of order: the oldest age for being allowed to join the army and fight in WW2 was 46.
Often, those who were too old submitted a fictitious age and this was never questioned. Indeed, the Army at the time took almost anyone brave enough to want to fight and as a result did not question ages.
Hats off to those who had the courage to get out there, including a number of my direct relatives who were well amongst it for years.
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Dear Fellow Crown Dependents (forgive my ignorance but I’m not sure what the collective noun is for Guernsey residents)
You might also be interested in what the Manx media and subsequent blogs have produced in IoM:
http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/Rodan-hits-out-over-Lib.5568089.jp
Our Speaker is generally known to be quite a mild-mannered soul but this nincompoop of a so-called lord has certainly ruffled Mr. Speaker’s wig!
Some of your posters have also seen, as I have, that there is a bigger agenda behind all of this. But this is the clearest statement yet from the UK that they intend to change our current constitutional status. I have certainly not seen any rebuttal by the UK Government so far.
I am Englsih, I was born there. I am a product of almost immediate post-war Britain. I grew up in the 50′s and 60′s and by and large lived in a safe and loving environment, testament to my parents values for which both of them fought for. But the England and UK that I knew then is far from what it is now. In fact I would say it’s not the same country. Successive UK governments have reneged on promises to make Britain a safer and fairier society for all. Non more so than the present incumbents.
I moved to IoM by virtue of marrying a Manx woman. I was lucky, luckier than most. IoM has provided me & my family with most of what I want out of life; somewhere to live in peace & a relatively crime free environment. However, all of what we enjoy now was created by manxmen & women. Even in the darkest times (and there’s been a few of those) the UK never really lifted a finger or contributed in any significant way to Isle of Man. They were left to get on with it themselves.
It’s a while since I last visited the Channel Islands but the one thing that struck me the last time I was there was the similarity in attitude to the Manx way of doing things and that’s the can-do approach to life. It’s been a case of having to get on with it because there was and has been little or no help from the so-called “parent”. From what I’m reading on your website the same seems to be basically true of the Channel Islands.
Stand up to these bullies & thugs (because that’s what they are) and demand your right to self determination if that’s what you truly want. Suggest you read the blog by “Brian” who has hit the nail on the head on this subject.
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Sanguine
Only the people that dont read the Daily Mail….
Nope dont read the mail.
You are a leftist aren’t you?
Nope not left, right, centre or anything else actually. Just i chose not to beieve the likes of Blair,Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld and the lies they spill out. Do you believe them? was the whole truth told before their war started? What have they achieved?
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Who would want to invade Guernsey? Be realoistic it only happened last time because we were under British rule. We don’t need defence nor the cost that goes with it. We need to call for a referendum of the people asking whether they want to be independent of the UK and stop buying any goods from them. So what if they withdraw the £18 vat free limit. The cost of goods bought in from the UK should be heavily taxed by Gy. It works both ways. we buy more from them than they sell to us. Independence is the key. We are not here to be ruled by them any longer.
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as a jerseyman, if find that you find this lord as much as a unelected interfering clod, as most of us do in jersey.
yes we have our ta, but most wanted a helicopter, good for sea rescue ect. but got the ta.
this came about after some clot said we had money coming out of our ears.
we have anything but these days.
i for one would not mind joint independance for good or bad.
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David Brown
I daresay you are quite a nice chap-
However Joint Independence could never work
The donkey would just walk all over and squash all those ‘Crapaud’
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TL
Resistance is just what it says,
To resist those who do you harm-
For you to say it had little affect shows the narrow minded way you think.
We resisted and got punished time and time again, many were sent to the mainland of Europe, never to be seen again. But they resisted.
I get fed up hearing how all you people just praise up the UK. as if they were the only ones who fought Nazis;
Yes they did a good job yes they were brave, yes we respect that-
But for goodness sake stop the whining about the battles fought–
We fought battles as well; and I dare say we in our time saw more Germans than the average–
All peoples who were occupied resisted and were punished it didn’t deter others
I shouldn’t bother really for you all seem to know it all-
Look back on some of the slogans written by the English on the railway stations and different places; They came to help:but slogans said “Yanks go Home”
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Eric, you made me laugh, i like to think we are all channel islanders, these days.
nice to read the comment from the manxman too.
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david brown
That’s what it’s all about, a good laugh, and more to the point you didn’t blow your top, and that was really great.
Now about that Manxman, well honestly he really has not any tale(Tail) to talk about has he ?..
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