Facial piercing schoolgirl, 14, could be off until February
Wednesday 20th January 2010, 2:29PM GMT.
A GIRL excluded from school because she had her nose pierced to wear a stud might not return until next month.
La Mare de Carteret High pupil Shannon Penney, 14 (pictured), had the procedure at the beginning of the Christmas holidays.
It needs between six and eight weeks to heal, but school policy states that no facial piercings are allowed.
Shannon’s mum, Claire, said she had not received a letter outlining restrictions on piercing, adding that if she had she would not have allowed her daughter to have it done.
She has yet to hear from the school or Education Department, but homework has been sent to Shannon via her older brother, who is also at the school.
A spokesman for Education said La Mare de Carteret High had a clear policy on facial piercings and Shannon was welcome back to school as soon as the nose stud was removed.
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This is ridiculous
Surely she can wear a plaster until it heals and then take it out (if it realy does need 8 weeks to heal).
I fear the parents are really milking this non-story and making the proverbial storm in a teacup, but I really cant see to what end.
Congratulations have to go to La Mare for sticking to their guns.
Shame on the parents for dragging this through the press TWICE. And shame on the press for encouraging it.
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I agree with you The Man, what a complete waste of time, also why does a girl of 14 want her nose pierced anyway? Surely if she wants it done that bad then she can wait till she leaves school!!!
Why make school work suffer through sheer pig-headedness!!! When i was at school we were only allowed to wear gold studded earrings and that was the rules, simples!!!
Schools set guidlines for a reason, kids have the weekends and evenings to express their individuality and in a couple of years time this girl can express herself every day of her life, when she grows up!!!!
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Its common practice for schools not to allow any facial piercings. Did the child not wonder why noone else had them? If her mother is so worried about her daughters education, why not just take the stud out and let her go back to school? If it was done at the start of the christmas holidays then she will be fine to leave the stud in overnight, then remove it for a few hours while at school.
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“Shannon’s mum, Claire, said she had not received a letter outlining restrictions on piercing, adding that if she had she would not have allowed her daughter to have it done.”
OK so now you do know, make her take it out, she can go back to school and we can all get on with our lives.
To The Press, I’m planning on wearing some shorts to the office tomorrow, if they say anything I’m going to kick off. Perhaps you would like to do a story?
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So it`s to hell with the rules and i`ll just do what i want? and if they don`t like it then i wont go to school, mum thinks that`s what i should do aswell.
Talk about cutting your nose off,
what a complete joke this is.
I wonder if she wants to take it out and get back to school or is mum trying to make some kind of pathetic point?.
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I am completely amazed at the coverage that this story is getting! Front page last week and back again today.
Facial piercings are not allowed at school and that should be the end of it. You can’t blame the children for trying their luck but then that’s when you’d expect the parent to instill a bit of common sense and perspective on it and react accordingly. That a parent would stick to a completely mis-placed principle over the importance of their daughter’s education beggars belief but is unfortunately becoming all to common.
No wonder kids are growing up not to have any respect for anything and no wonder teachers jobs are getting harder and harder with a lack of support from parents in even the most trivial seeming things.
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How stupid! Just take out the nose stud! I mean this girl is 14, i didnt have anything pierced at that age, still dont at nearly 30 but hey ho! This child’s education should certainly come first and why on earth isnt her mother forcing her to take it out, Oh i know because it was probably her idea to get it done in the first place, excellent parenting that is!
Surely this is the time that this girl needs to be in school and really i think the education need to step in here?
I just cant understand why its so important at 14 to have a stud in your nose?! Or am i just getting old?
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Hey Dean – forget the Guernsey Press, give The Sun a call….that’s national news!
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Some thoughts from me about this story.
1) The achool/ education should use a simple ultimatum – Take out the stud or be expelled.
2) It’s a non-story and shouldn’t be in the Press. Are we going to have a weekly ‘Uniform Infraction Feature’ now from schools around the island?
3) One way or another this poor child is in for a rude awakening in the outside world if she is being taught to just ‘shout louder’ every time she doesn’t get her own way.
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Keep her off school for months. That way the kids who want to learn can get more attention from the teacher.
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If they remove the rules, every one at the school will have nose piercing and there won’t be any individuality, another part of uniform. Just take the thing off and get on with your education. Personality is your individuality.
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the idea behind uniforms etc is uni-formality, that way no individual has the upper hand over others. that is the way it should be too. breaks down social divides. the rules are in place, everyone knows they are, the parents are making *boobies* of themselves and should be ashamed of going to the press as they are in the wrong.
the mother should be investigated for irresponsibility in not sending her child to school in suitable attire (and nasal piercings are not suitable attire).
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Don’t you also love the Press’ unbiased selection of public from which they drew the conclusion that the “public” supported Miss Penny.
Eerrr…. how about looking at your own website Mr Digard…
I know it’s a little bit of a generalisation (ok, a lot), but a couple of the people who they interviewed looked like flouting rules was something they would also do – in fact, one of them said exactly that!
Congratulations Guernsey Press for encouraging anarchy and rule/law breaking. You should truly be ashamed of yourselves.
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@Billythefish
I found that amusing too!
My favourite went something like this:
I think it’s a bit disgraceful. When I was at school, you would be able to put a plaster over it while it was healing. She hasn’t really got much of a choice. It’s only a piercing. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with them.
D***** B********, 23, UNEMPLOYED
Go figure.
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Hi
I have read all of your comments I would now like to point out a couple of things as so many of you have had your say on this matter.
Shannon is not been kept out of school the school is refusing to let her stay.
If there is a ruling why is Shannon been made to stay away what about the other pupils at La Mare with tounge piercing’s, hip piercings, belly button piercing’s etc just to name a few why have they not been told to stay away these piercing’s are far more dangerous than a nose peircing.
Letting my daughter get her nose pierced is not being a bad parent how many parents smoke with their children in the car/house that puts their children in more danger, a nose piercing will not kill her.
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@claire penney
Well done for coming on here to defend your precarious position.
I think the main issue for me is that you are trying to make a point, and fair enough you are standing up for what you believe in, but it is very petty, and at the expense of your daughters education.
Your defence that ‘everyone else is doing it’ is childish and a very bad example for your daughter. And I think the biggest problem here is that the Press has picked up on your little protest, giving it the credibility that it certainly doesn’t deserve.
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Let’s get this straight Claire. Rules are there for a reason whether you agree with them or not. If you don’t agree with them then challenge them in a legitimate manner – don’t break them and claim you are in an innocent position.
Quite frankly the reason your daughter is not being fully educated at present is your fault by refusing to make your daughter abide by rules and by setting the correct example of challenging the rules in the correct manner.
You should be lucky the police do not appear to be charging you for failing to make your child attend school.
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@ claire penney
I think the point is that tongue piercings, belly button piercings and hip piercings CANNOT BE SEEN!!!! They are under the kid’s clothes.
At the end of the day the school won’t let your daughter back to school because she has something ON SHOW that is against the rules, go figure!!!!
As previously stated by GsyGal i’m sure that she can take the piercing out for the day and put it in when she gets home, no big deal!!!!
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Err, actually you are responsible for her not going back to school because you have not taken the stud out.
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Fairplay to Miss Penney for trying to defend her position. However, she is wrong to say the school is not lettng Shannon stay – my understanding is that the school will be happy to accept Shannon back at school, minus the nose piercing which is against school rules. As her mother, Miss Penney should be telling Shannon to remove the piercing and get back to school. She is not doing this and therefore, she is the one stopping her child getting an education.
And Dean is correct, just because others are flouting the rules, it does not mean that Shannon should be following their bad example. It brings home what my mum used to say to me ..’if so and so jumped off a cliff would you do it?’
I have no real thoughts either way about somebody of that age having their nose piereced and would not condemn Miss Penney as a bad parent for allowing this. But she is a bad parent for stopping her child from getting an education. I don’t see noses as being that different to ears. However, I don’t like any other facial piercing. (Maybe that’s hypocritical of me but thats my personal view.)
And finally, I also agree with the comments about the public support – perhaps they could have asked a more diverse range of people!
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Well said Dean.
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GP reporter must have been in the Truchot on a Thursday lunch time to gather such a diverse range of opinions.
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Perhaps if Little Miss Penney understood the ‘lifestyle’ implications of having her left nostril pierced, she’d be a bit keener to remove it….
I think the main point for Mrs Penney to understand is that the school HAVEN’T kicked her child out, she’s welcome to return as soon as the nose piercing is removed, which, according to Miss Student Bob, who is an expert in such matters, could have been weeks ago.
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Well said VQ, the point i wish to make is Education dept have not said anything about taking action regarding what, is in my eyes, deliberate truancy.
If Shannon is allowed to stay off school for a few weeks with no further action from the education department, how can they complain if you want to take children on holiday for two weeks during term time??
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Think about this seriously – your daughters education or a nose piercing, I rest my case.
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What a shameful waste of tax payers money defending the actions of this pupil who has failed to abide by school rules.
This mother should be ashamed of herself for allowing her daughter such publicity for such a ridiculous cause.
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@ Claire
Rules are rules…
A piercing is no sign of individuality, it is the very character of the person which proves individuality.
Just take it out ans send her back to school.
Your point about other parents smoking around children etc…whilst it is a valid point, no-one is discussing that. Rules are there to instil the rules of society in later life.
I feel sorry that both you and your daughter have been slated, i honestly do, however you have brought it on yourself by telling the press. If you simply kept quiet, removed the stud and sent her back non of this furore would have been created in the first instance.
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If only the uk laws that parents could be prosecuted for their children being truant were in place over here.
If there were some reprecussions for the parents maybe Shannon would be at school learning instead of sat at home watching day time TV.
If her mother doesn’t think education is neccesary (which this whole situation indicates) then why are my taxes being wasted, paying for a place for her. Send her out to work and then she’ll realise that we all have to abide by certain rules whether we agree with them or not.
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Whilst I’m about to contradict the content of my own post (by commenting on this article). I’m quite stunned by the amount of both column inches and the number of comments that have resulted on this piece of non news.
It must have been an exceptionally slow news day at the GP for this article to warrant inclusion. On top of that the GP wasted both a photographer and a reporters time to canvass a wide cross section of the public for comments and saw fit to include that piece in a subsequent GP. Aren’t we (who have commented here) not a wide enough cross section? In any case did the initial story warrant a follow up?
This non-story has gone on long enough.
Mrs P, stop wasting everyone’s time and tell you daughter to remove the piercing. If it is yet to heel as you suggest and the hole closes then so be it. Rules are there to be conformed too, irrespective of whether we agree with them or not. It is extremely short sighted of you to deprive your daughter of a state funded education for the sake of your misguided principals. Admit you are in the wrong and show your daughter a lesson in humility.
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Cannot understand the GP’s angle on this ‘story’. I came onto the website because I was bemused at their assertion that the public were broadly behind this child’s ‘right’ to wear this piercing.
That is a very simplistic statement and patently not correct (judging from comments here and from people I know here who have talked about it).
Is this a case of the GP trying to BE the news rather than reporting the news?
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Madeleine
Its crazy eh??
These stories (both this and the original) are two of a very small minority on this forum where most posters are all saying the same thing (i.e the parents are in the wrong, not the school). Yet the GP in its infinite wisdon manages to say the public are broadly behind the family when, it couldnt be further from the truth.
Most people I know are bemused by the parents decision, and think its ludicrous parental behaviour.
If their intention was to get more people posting, then Fair play, its getting people on here and posting.
As for journalistic integrity………..
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Mrs Penney
You are totally missing the point, your daughter is missing out on her education at an important time of her life, due to your stupidity.
Dont be surprised if she leaves school with no qualifications,is unemployable, and becomes a single mum.
Then I suppose you will blame the school system for not allowing her to complete her education.
Mrs Penney stop making excuses as you just have done, grow up and start acting like a caring loving responsible mother.
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“Letting my daughter get her nose pierced is not being a bad parent how many parents smoke with their children in the car/house that puts their children in more danger, a nose piercing will not kill her”
If you want to protest about a rule then that’s fair enough but NOT at the cost of your child’s future and NOT just for your ’5 minutes of fame’. School years don’t last long and after that she can do what she likes – until then an education is of far more value than a nose stud.
The number of comments condemning your actions is a clear indicator of the majority view.
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PS) As someone mentioned earlier,perhaps claire and shannon penney are unaware that a left side nose piercing can hold the meaning, no matter how silly this is, that one prefers those of the same sex….not that there is anything wrong with that of course, I’m of that ilk myself before anyone says anything ;)
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I didn’t know that about the piercing on the left side – luckily I got the right side done eh!
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the left side is favoured in India as it is believed to increase fertility – nothing to do with lesbianism, quite the opposite.
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ludicrous your right! This should never had made the papers!
what on earth are the parents thinking of letting their children have piercings while knowing that the school would not allow it.
I would be more worried about how much valuable school work shes missing and at such a important time in her life.
Schools have rules in place to teach children that this is life and sometimes we have to play by the rules. To many youngsters disrespect authority and if parents can not teach this to their own then the schools have to do it. Well done to the school for sticking to their guns.
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Wow!
This exact thing has just happened to me.
I’m From St Sampsons High & i’m in year 11.
I got my nose pierced about a week before the new term started. (I had wanted mine done for a long time) I had permission as my mum took me to go get it done. So before you all start slating me as i can see you are doing to the poor mother, try being in our shoes and see it from our side. I have had more problems with this school, for being bullied and beaten up.
The only reason why I decided to have my nose pierced now was because loads of other pupils have more bigger piercings such at tongue, neck, eyebrows, lips and more. I never ONCE saw any of these pupils get Timed out / Punished for having them done.
The 1st day back at school after the christmas period.. I walked through the school doors into assembly & got asked is that stud coming out, I Replied “I can’t because I’ve just had it done & I can’t take it out for another few weeks”. So then Me & 2 other girls which just had their piercings done for Christmas got sent to Time out. I looked around to expect to see every other person with piercings to be sent there too. But no! they were all left to go to normal lessons and to get to study for the exams this week and next.
We sat in the time out for 7 hours straight in complete silence, not having any work to do or bring aloud to leave the time out room.. We weren’t even aloud to leave for break.. We asked if we could go to get work for exams and just work from our normal lessons. So the teacher (we had a different one every hour) phoned up lessons to try and get work, they either could’t get through thee 1st time and gave up or no work actually turned up. so we gave in and spent the rest of the day doing nothing in silence, if we spoke we were in alot of trouble. We weren’t even aloud to go to the toilets.
The Head teacher was in and out and didn’t say anything.
5th period one girl came in which i knew for having her neck pierced. She got the same treatment as us. We over heard them saying that we were internally excluded which meant we were in the time out room for 7 hours every day until we took the studs out. I took my mum through text and she was really angry yet again with the school and how the other pupils were aloud to be in normal lessons and doing everything which we were suppose to be doing.
So i questioned this to one of the teachers and the reply which they gave me was “They cannot do anything to these kids because they don’t want to be laughed at in the face” by this we felt victimised but how it was ONLY is 3 for the whole day then another girl when she got caught.
So i’ve basically been kicked out of school until i remove my stud, which i wont. I would have thought about it if i had got some respect from that school, but after being shouted at and told how i’m wasting my time , & i don’t have the rights to do what i want to my own body, i refuse to remove it.
Why Pick on people which want to have an education like me! they have already made me miss all my exams last year from the bullying and them not being bothered to let me into school because they couldn’t be bother.. so they let the bullies back into school after them having a 4 week suspension. So why are they doing this again?
Why kick out us people which wants an education with a small hole in my nose, what is this gonna’do? Why are they keeping in the people which doesn’t want to be there and the kids which are smoking and doing drugs? why are the kids which are carrying knives around still in there? Why are the kids which bunk lessons and are disrespectful to every person/teacher in there, lastly why is the bullies still in there? The teachers excuse for EVERY bad student? “We can’t do anything to them, they have bad back grounds, up bringing’s, their having family problems at home” who cares!? WE WANT AN EDUCATION AND OUR RIGHTS.. we have out rights taken away from us! Yet again i have missed a load of exams this week as i’m not aloud to be in school.. Thanks St Sampsons High! & I hope you’re reading this because you’re the worst school ever and you need to sort it out before someone gets killed in that school as i almost did from your lack of discipline and getting beaten up!
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xLovePeaceMiley ~ Arent you worried about your education? believe me i know how it feels to be bullied and picked on, and i feel for you 100% i never would want anyone to go thru that and i understand how you want to be you and have your nose stud in, but i’m not trying to sound like an old goat here, when your alittle older you will understand and think maybe i should have taken it out?! I was far from a great student i hated school and would have done anything not to be ther and landed up leaving without my exams, and then had to go back to college and get my GCSE’s.
I have tattoos and i would be certainly put out big time if someone treated me differently due to having them but yours is only a nose stud, you can take it out and then once you leave school have it done again? your leaving school this summer right? then its only a few months, or can you put a clear bar in it just for this last part of your education?!
Dont throw away your future!! And i have to say this “Time Out” thingy (this must be new, or i’m just old) is totally bang out of order, leaving you for so many hours, thats terrible and thats down to the headmaster/mistress! I cannot believe schools are being run like that these days. Never believed in this new big school, what was wrong with the old schools?!
Anyway i wish you the best of luck in your exams and i hope the bullies are ashamed of themselves, they wont be yet but when they are older they will.
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@xLovePeaceMiley
I think you make a good point with regards to consistency of punishment. I can see how it must be frustrating to be excluded, when these bully’s are not.
Unfortunately despite the issues you mentioned it is still your choice to keep the piercing at the expense of doing your exams. I would echo Vee’s comments, what appears important now will seem trivial in a few years when you are a bit older. I know it can sound patronising but that’s the score I’m afraid.
The most important thing is to do your exams at all costs. And this is coming from someone who was extremely rebellious at school and barely made it through, and that’s why I feel the need to emphasise this point so much.
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dean ~ exactly, we both have admitted we were far from an angel at school and so we can only tell others of how not sticking to the rules has impacted our life.
I really do wish this young girl a great success in her exams and i really do believe the school needs to rethink some of its actions towards the victims!
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@ xLovePeaceMiley
It struck a chord in me when i read about your bullying. I was never really bullied at school but i did witness others being so. The only thing i can say is good on you for bringing it to the fore. I agree with Vee, and know that whilst young these bullies will have no regrets, but given time they will look back and hopefully be horrified by their actions. It is true that schools need to stamp out bullying immediately and suspend those involved as it may give them the impotus to think before they act cruelly. I truly hope you get left alone to proceed with your education and i wish you the best of luck with your exams and teenage years. I am pleased at the level of acceptance and maturity you have reached. Good on you !
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I know where you’re both coming from!
But this is the 3rd time in 2 years this type of thing has happened.
& the bit about my exams, they have already been messed up.. I’m not actually aloud back into school. My Education and attendance sucks at that school, all because the teachers cannot be bothered to do anything.
Luckily were moving to England very soon and i have a place in collage.. Which i will be taking my two years again & be able to do all my GCSE’s. I’m being home school now and i have been since last year.
Also i offered to wear a clear stud / plaster, but they also refused that.
& Nothing was wrong with the old schools, i loved St Peter Port, It was the biggest regret ever being made to move to St Sampsons High.
But i know i have missed out on my most important years of school and i’m upset that i have and i can’t hold my head up and say i’m a success, i finished! & left with the marks which i know i could have got, but that school was pushing me away and nothing else could / would have been done. My mum has fought with that school so many times she’s just left them to it now and is planning a better future and a career path for the both of us. But i actually WANT to go to collage to do this, just to make things easier for me in the future.
& Thankyou! I appreciate that so much. :)
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xLovePeaceMiley
You seem to have an attitude problem, but anyway best wishes on your move to the UK, and also the best of luck on finding a college without any type discipline or rules.
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@xLovePeaceMiley
I have every sympathy with you as I was heavily bullied at school mainly because I wouldn’t conform with those who wanted to break all the school rules. I was captain of the school football and rugby teams but still ostracised because I refused to misbehave at school. I just wanted to learn and play sport and didn’t want anything to get in the way of that.
You only have a few months left at school, from what I read, so you and Shannon should remove your studs and stop giving the teachers and head a hard time and let them get on with their job of teaching you rather than trying to teach you how to obey rules which your parents should be doing.
One day you and Shannon will look back on this and realise how small a matter this is and how you ruined your eductaion for a bit of face jewellery. I refuse to let any of my staff wear visible piercings except earings. It is a matter of presentation and decency.
As an aside you spell College with two e’s not Collage which is a picture made of material, paper and objects. Also in the context you used it you should not have used aloud but allowed. I know I am being pedantic but we should all be happy to be told when we have used words in the wrong context or when our spelling is incorrect. No doubt I will be shot down in flames for pointing this out to you.
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@muzeek
That was a bit harsh. A very supercilious and unnecessary comment if you ask me.
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“The Tattooing, Piercing, Acupuncture and Electrolysis (Guernsey and Alderney) Law, 2000, states that it is a criminal offence to carry out tattooing or body piercing on anyone under the age of 18.”
Thus even with parental permission a crime has been committed here. In theory the child and parent only assisted in it – which is interesting because they will likely not disclose where the crime was committed and so no repercussions to anyone.
Ignorance of the law is no defence but it seems flouting it is not punishable.
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@xLovePeaceMiley
Perhaps when you are at College in the UK you will be ALLOWED to do a Collage.
Dont blame the school blame yourself and your Mother for disobeying school rules.
Just because others behave worse than yourself and smoke or do drugs does not give you the right to ignore school rules.
Grow up! or rather enjoy your time at school before you have to face the cruel realities of the real world with little or no qualifications.
why don’t you think about how hard it is to teach a disruptive class? Teachers want to teach not play Wet Nurse to a bunch of misbehaved deliquents. Why don’t you stop just for one minute and think about your behaviour and how it affects other people or is everyone here just to ensure that you have an easy life?
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GGG ~ Oh my god, i cannot believe you are correcting a young girl of her spelling, who cares if she’s spelt something wrong, nice way to put a child down that it suffering being bullied, you have no idea if this childs spelling is the reason she’s being bullied in the first place!
You are a rude person and totally missing the point if you think correcting her on her spelling is an issue!
And yes you are very correct, you will be shot down in flames! A child sometimes need an adult to stand up for them!
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” TL| January 25, 2010 at 10:16 am
the left side is favoured in India as it is believed to increase fertility – nothing to do with lesbianism, quite the opposite”
Are we in India then? I hadn’t noticed ;) Here, the meaning I mentioned is (or so I thought) pretty well known….
@xLovePeaceMiley
You’re raising several different issues, but basically, you shouldn’t use the corrupt system at the school as an excuse to flaunt the rules , that’s just stupid. Your education is more important, or it should be, and it won’t be for long, then you can pierce whatever you like, dependent on what career choice you want. You don’t HAVE rights as far as body piercings and school are concerned. There are so many kids out there that would LOVE the opportunity of a free education and would think you were quite mad to sacrifice it because of a nose stud. And perhaps they are right…
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vee – surely the fact that xLovePeaceMiley has “being home school now and i have been since last year” is relevant, she has not excluded herself from school this last week on the basis of a nose stud (do they leak when you sneeze?).
The whole school sounds like a disaster area!
Or maybe not?
Is it just the big fish from SPP moving to a new school with new rules and being smaller fish, the upper years at SPP did not move I think.
Time will bring all the pupils closer together, no longer the them and us.
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ms penney. i find it very hard to believe that you did not know the school rules when you yourself tried this trick when you were younger : } you should think before you speak. old chum.some things never change
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Ed ~ Sorry Ed you’ve lost me with your comment:
vee – surely the fact that xLovePeaceMiley has “being home school now and i have been since last year” is relevant, she has not excluded herself from school this last week on the basis of a nose stud (do they leak when you sneeze?).
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The subject matter in this story is utterly, utterly ridiculous. This child (for she is just that, a child) has been allowed by her mother to have a nose piercing and this mother, in her infinite wisdom, has then seen fit to let her go off to school, to show it off to all her friends. Did it never occur to her, for one second, that this might not be allowed within school rules? She claims not to have recieved a letter outlining education’s guidelines on this matter and yet, instead of telling her daughter to take it out, allows her again, to flaunt school rules, by keeping her at home. And has the gall to complain about how the family has been treated! No wonder some children turn out the way they do with ‘role models’ such as this.
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@Vee
If you would care to reread my comment I have every sympathy for xLovePeaceMiley. I suffered at the hands of billies for years.
Maybe she needs to have someone explain how to spell words correctly otherwise how will she apply correctly to Collage, sorry I mean College. Having missed so much school through stupidly wearing a nose stud surely somebody needs to explain that you have to abide by the rules. If I get a CV from someone that has a spelling mistake they dont get an interview whatever their qualifications. attention to detail is required in this life.
No doubt you condone the wearing of a stud when it is against the rules.
You say I should stand up for her Why should I? That is the job of her parents but she says all her mother could do was complain rather than ensuring her daughter went to school. Do not blame me for her mothers shortcomings. i had to stand up for myself at an early age and so should she and face theconseqences of her actions.
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Hey GGG darhhhhling,
Is your post a joke? Like those “could you be a proof reader?” adverts in the Sunday Times?
Hate to say it but I’d shred a CV from someone that doesn’t know where to insert a hyphen (reread), can’t spell bullies (billies), shows a lack of knowledge of capitalisation, can’t use the “Space Bar” and misses out full stops.
Attention to detail indeed!
BTW I acknowledge my own grammar and spelling isn’t always up to par, but I wasn’t taking anyone to task, this time…………………..
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GGG
If I get a CV from someone that has a spelling mistake they dont get an interview whatever their qualifications.
Wow thats big of you, dont you ever make mistakes yourself?
maybe i should give up my job as i was 12 seconds late today?.
Remind us how to spell bullies or is it billies?
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@xLovePeaceMiley
I find your story quite disturbing and wonder why the GP are following this unimportant story about a kid (Shannon Penney) refusing to take out her nose piercing and ignoring what I think is a much more serious issue at the new school, namely the fact that the school and teachers are ‘scared’ to take action against some of the students because of their backgrounds and also the allegations of knives and drugs.
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@GGG
Give her a break, there are at least three grammatical/punctuational errors in your last post.
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GGG ~ Cor arent you ticked off today, what’s wrong, did someone get your coffee wrong?
Now i’m super impressed that you wont interview someone because they spelt something wrong, congratulations you have now passed on becoming a complete pr*t well done, i bet your wife is proud.
Anyway back to the real story, no i dont support the fact she has her nose stud in, i have said that all along and i have said she should take it out and go back to school! my argument is (if you care to read my post, OR get your PA to do it for you if you like) 1) the young girl shouldnt throw her education away for something so little as a nose stud and 2) the school needs to target bullies. Thats all i have to say!
The girl doesnt need people like you putting her down! I wonder why you were bullied?
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Are some of the people on this forum socially inept, St Sampson’s school teachers are SCARED of some people who wear piercings, and will allow it, but to those who will NOT stand up to these teachers are put in a cell for 7 hours.
If I was the parent of so called “xLovePeaceMiley” I would sue the school for corruptness. (If there’s such a thing), I have no clue, I’m a “yoof”… -_-
Although I agree, all those that wear piercing’s should be expelled, and follow the rules, but the teachers should enforce that for all students.
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OMG! If I merge the Alderney smirking ban thread with this billy-o one, I got movie gold!
Surpressed population of small island republic stand up to a Federation wanting to impose bans/burners/Bernard/billies on an impoverished youth, when suddenly – yankee rebels (swoon) and the tattooed underground (niche swoon) rise up in a cybernet fury to defy all with questionable language skills and a freedom 2 choosing moralistic denouement. And a missing cat! The GP rules!
Star Wars meets Skins.
or more likely
Titanic meets Tiswas!
yay!
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@vee
To answer your questions and statements.
I don’t drink coffee but I take your point. I am not married I am widowed. I don’t have a PA.
Why should I employ someone who cannot even get the spelling in their CV correct? That is not being a prat that is being sensible.
I was bullied because I stood up to people who wanted me to break the school rules. I was bright, single minded and good at sport and the “thugs” who bullied me did not like that.
At least we agree that she should remove the stud and get on with her education. I was not deliberately trying to put her down but you have to admit that her spelling is attrocious.
Someone else has mentioned her poor spelling in a much more humorous way than me.
I have every sympathy with those children who are bullied or do not have the support of their peers or their parents. I ignored the bullying and got on with my schooling. I didn’t go around trying to find an excuse to get myself excluded from school so I wouldn’t have to face the bullies.
My daughter was the brunt of horrendous bullying at her Guernsey school because she was the brightest in her year but also the smallest. She cried every day before going to school. I eventually did something about it by firstly talking to the head and teachers and then by confronting the parents of the children involved. It turned out these parents were decent sorts who were horrified to think their children were ruining the life of another child and quickly put a stop to it. The children concerned merely ignored my daughter from then on.
Ironically a few years ago one of the bullies and my daughter were at univeristy together and the ” bully ” was subjected to bullying herself. My daughter, despite being still very small, stood up to the cretins and now the Bully and my daughter are best friends!
I know this is off track but you did make a number of wild assumptions about me.
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@MrsPinthepantry|
Point taken. I should have read through my contribution before posting it.
As I have said before I do sympathise with xLovePeaceMiley and believe that her Mother should be taking action in this case by dealing with the school and the bullies.
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Can i just say, as a St Sampsons pupil, xLovePeaceMiley can you stop making are school sound like a cell, EVERYONE i know who has a piercing has been asked to take it out because of the rules clearly saying no visible piercings and if you refuse yes you do get taken to time out room and don’t say you don’t get given work cause thats rubbish!, You may not get it for all your subjects in that day because the class is doing something practical, You always get toilet,break and lunch breaks so don’t argue there either, all in all you shouldn’t of had the piercing anyway.
Sorry to go off the point of Shannon Penney but im not going to sit here watching someone make St Sampsons sound awful, its an amazing school and if you choose not to follow the rules then expect consequences!
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GGG
Thanks for prooving that even a little bit of power can completely go to ones head!
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You were right in pointing out the spelling GGG
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We all have to abide by rules in life GET REAL ms penney.
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Fancy going to the G P with this .We all have to live by rules in this life im afraid miss penney.
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StSampsonsGirl
Well said, one of the best comments on this subject so far.
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I agree with xLovePeaceMiley!
That school is a waste of time, the teachers don’t do anything! their just scared of the pupils.. like she said about “kids laughing in their faces” THAT’S TRUE!! i was there when they said it.
that school needs some serious changes.. common, letting kids walk around with knives, settings things on fire, bringing DRUGS into the school, smoking in the toilets etc.. And i’m NOT lying!
@StSampsonsGirl, if your even a pupil, cause why would someone come out with such big words and stick up for that dump of the school! And you saying about us not getting work! well thats aloud of crap! cause we don’t get ANYTHING apart from some paper which has nothing to do with anything about EXAMS or anything.. sort the school out!!
& She never said anything about not having any LUNCH breaks! she said BREAK… you know that thing which you have at 10 to 10 till 10 past 10! Yeah well then.. WE DIDN’T HAVE THAT!!! & toilet breaks? yeah sure, that’s why we had to go at lunch time.
Haha are you serious an AMAZING school? are you kidding me? I’d rather be stuck, locked in a cage full of spiders that be at that school!
& don’t slate her for telling the truth. that school already is awful, that’s what you get for not letting the people who want to learn, learn and keeping in all the bad people and the people which are putting the school down!!!!!!
I agree with everyone which has GOOD things to say, but y’all fussing about our piercings to take them out, one thing to say.. NO – we paid for them, we had permission, we are not going to take them out! it’s out bodies we can do what we want.
ST Sampsons, go shove your school where the sun don’t shine, no one likes it.. get over it..
I rest my case..
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GGG ~ I sit here red faced! I can only say i’m sorry!
Being 5 foot 2, i know how your daughter felt being picked one, its easier to pick on someone who is small because we are less likely to say anything. Still happens now and i’m nearly 30.
Back to the subject of this young girl, we both agree she needs to take her nose stud out, her mother needs to be told big time to stop listening to whats a fashion statement and send her daughter back to school.
All of us on here over the age of 16 agrees, that having a nose stud in, really is just for fashion rather than medical or something so it can be taken out and then once this young girl has finished school and got a job, if she’s allowed then she can have it done again!
I think the younger generation (i’m going to sound old) have lost respect for alot of things including rules. Its sad to say but we must not brand every child like this, we should hold out hope for the good ones.
GGG again i can only say i’m sorry.
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To be honest i dont think that having a nose peircing is any disruption to her learing
When i was at school there was a P.E teacher with her tounge peirced so why didnt she get told to take it out ?
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Shaady
What you propose would be way too cruel on the spiders.
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Its not that bad at st sampson’s. I like it there and I’m in year 9 now. I go there and most of the teachers are alright and sort out the bullying. I got bullied in year 7 but now its ok. Some of the older students do try to spoil the new school but they are excluded all the time so that makes it better.
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Bored now! Rather a lot of people with too much time on their hands also appear to be getting bored and are beginning to ramble.
Just take the stud out and send the child back to school.
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@Stud e Lacking.
What you trying to say?
I’d rather do that than be stuck in that pathetic dump :)
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Shaddy
Im sure that “dump” along with many of the pupils would like to see the back of you too and your attitude. Grow up if you can.
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@shaady,
I am a st sampsons pupil Year 10 infact!
&& just because i want a good education and try to improve my grammar makes me bad?
Well….. by the sounds of it you aren’t fussed in an education, and by the sounds of it your used to spending time in the time out room which makes me think that you are one of the people who go to school to kick up a fuss.
Did you ever think if some of the pupils behaved and let the teachers do their jobs and abide by rules are school wouldn’t be so ‘rubbish’?
Im not going to deny that are school is strict especially at the moment but they have a reason too some students are disrespecting that school and kicking up a fuss making the teachers be stricter!
What annoys me the most is that a small majority of students make the whole school look bad!
So back to my point, maybe if you behave and actually get on with the teachers you would see they are doing there best for us!
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@StSampsonsGirl
Yes a small majority DOES make the school look bad.. But it doesn’t help when Tetlaw is running to the press and reporting crap 24.7
and for your infomation, me not fussed about my education? how dare you say that! i have worked my socks of in my school, i got A’s and got downgraded to a D EVERYTIME! i left to go to collage and i’m working there now! i am very fussy with my education!
& FYI I was FORCED into the time out room 3 times.. & No I NEVER went to school to kick up a fuss!!! I went to learn, but for reasons i do NOT wish to say i wasn’t aloud to have a proper education, cause that school was pushing me away and making me come for 2 hours when i never did anything wrong. just because had a few problems which happened to me!
The school’s strict? You must be kidding me! a kid got beat up in that school and nothing was even done! things were set on fire! guess what nothing was done!
& before you take this the wrong was, try being in our shoes! you’d know how it would feel.
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@bcb
Don’t tell me to grow up.
Try being some of us! then try and say different.
You’re quick enough to point a finger aren’t you!?
Well look into things before you do.. Okay!? good :)
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@Shaady
“i got A’s and got downgraded to a D EVERYTIME!” – Wow, that happened to me at school as well!
“The school’s strict? You must be kidding me! a kid got beat up in that school and nothing was even done! things were set on fire! guess what nothing was done!” – No way! That never would have happened when I was at school.
“& before you take this the wrong was, try being in our shoes! you’d know how it would feel.” – Is that school shoes or trainers? Just to be clear.
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@Dean
School shoes.
– “No way! That never would have happened when I was at school.” – Exactly, It wouldn’t happen at any other school which the teachers could be bothered with Discipline.
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@StSampsonsGirl.
That school is a Cell. a Prison cell. :-)
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Amazing.
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To all the kids with the attitude problem!if you carry on the way you are and think that your school is like a cell.You when you do grow up will most prob end up in a cell.
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@Coco,
When you’ve experienced St Sampsons.. you wont be saying that.
And ending up in a prison? I have a better life than that.
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Shaady- we were your age once and we are aware of what your school is like. when you do grow up and look back on this you will realise what a prat your making of yourself.
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Making a prat of my self?
- That’s why i’ve put my self in full time education.. AND have a small work experience’s to get up all my grades / exams / GCSE’s which i have missed from what that school did to me. Also studying in all my spare time.. i don’t go out drinking doing drugs like all these kids are, i don’t even have time for socialising, okay i go out to my friends houses every other weekend for a Chinese and film for time out. this is to benefit me to get the job which i am aiming for.. and i am almost there.
So if you think this is making a prat of my self, than what do you call all these kids which are bunking school, doing drugs, smoking, carrying knives, beating up people for no reason.. bullying people.. Please tell me, i’d love to know.
I can admit, i’m far from “perfect”, nobody is. But i wouldn’t change the way I am now.. i don’t smoke or do drugs, maybe a few drinks on a special occasion which is very rare.. not like these kids which are out every day killing them selves in poison..
A Prat? What are they then?
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thats stuped i have my nose peired and im 16 i was14 wen i got it done and yes that same thing happend 2 me but i still were it n school i just put my hair in front of it wen a teacher comes by
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It’s happened! Texting has destroyed the English language!
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@Dean
That’s not even texting, it’s just illiterate! I think Alana would have been better off concentrating at school on the use of English as our language rather than getting his/her nose pierced….or should that be peired?
I despair of what is happening with our language – is it not being taught in schools these days?
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Agreed, I know this is way off subject, but I think several articles recently, and the comments they have generated have shed light on the standards of many current (GCSE level) students. I imagine it is directly linked to piercings!
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I have a spelling checker,
It came with my PC.
It plane lee marks four my revue
Miss steaks aye can knot sea.
Eye ran this poem threw it,
Your sure reel glad two no.
Its vary polished in it’s weigh.
My checker tolled me sew.
A checker is a bless sing,
It freeze yew lodes of thyme.
It helps me right awl stiles two reed,
And aides me when eye rime.
Each frays come posed up on my screen
Eye trussed too bee a joule.
The checker pours o’er every word
To cheque sum spelling rule.
Bee fore a veiling checker’s
Hour spelling mite decline,
And if we’re lacks oar have a laps,
We wood bee maid too wine.
Butt now bee cause my spelling
Is checked with such grate flare,
Their are know fault’s with in my cite,
Of nun eye am a wear.
Now spelling does knot phase me,
It does knot bring a tier.
My pay purrs awl due glad den
With wrapped word’s fare as hear.
To rite with care is quite a feet
Of witch won should bee proud,
And wee mussed dew the best wee can,
Sew flaw’s are knot aloud.
Sow ewe can sea why aye dew prays
Such soft wear four pea seas,
And why eye brake in two averse
Buy righting want too pleas.
Candidate for a Pullet Surprise by Mark Eckman and Jerrold H. Zar
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Dean – you can’t just blame texting. The use and teaching of phonetic spelling hasn’t helped either.
Nevertheless, I wouldn’t compare spelling with intellect too closely. Don’t forget that the English language is constantly evolving, both in terms of grammar and spelling. If you read documents from the 17th century (e.g. the old King James Bible) you can see how our language has dramatically changed over time. What was normal language then would barely be understood now!
This type of spelling may well become the norm in a few decades time.
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@Paul Le Page
“I wouldn’t compare spelling with intellect too closely”
I didn’t, I can’t spell very well but consider myself to be reasonably intelligent. I see your point, but you can’t defend this:
“thats stuped i have my nose peired and im 16 i was14 wen i got it done and yes that same thing happend 2 me but i still were it n school i just put my hair in front of it wen a teacher comes by”
I think there is an element of ‘devils advocate’ about your post.
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@Dean – perhaps there is a little bit of ‘devils advocate’ in my post! I agree that some of the writing here is awful however I was concerned that people’s opinions were being ignored simply on the basis of spelling and punctuation. Besides, I know from personal experience when I get a bit wound up, I type rather quickly and shoot off posts without checking them first! :-)
The only reason my spelling is reasonably gud ;-) and I use punctuation is because from a young age I was consistently taught the importance of spelling and grammar both at school and at home until it became second nature. I wonder how many of these youngsters have that kind of teaching now – at home or at school?
That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if a time comes where the use of grammatical rules such as capitals for proper names and apostrophes disappear from mainstream writing.
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@Dean – PS I think as a society we have become lazy and don’t proof read what we write. This is especially true with computers, as we have come to expect our spelling to be checked for us automatically, which as Mrs P has very amusingly pointed out, is far from foolproof!
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