Pupils disrupt school’s appeal for Haiti
Saturday 23rd January 2010, 2:30PM GMT.
Pupils in mufti were ordered out of St Sampson’s High yesterday when a fund-raiser turned sour. (Picture by Steve Sarre, 0905702)
POLICE were called when a school fund-raiser for Haiti earthquake victims got out of hand.
St Sampson’s High pupils were allowed to go to school in trainers if they made a £1 donation to the appeal, but about 20 turned up in mufti yesterday morning.
Head teacher Hazel Tetlaw locked them out and called police.
The pupils in casual clothes were told to change into uniform. When they refused, they were ordered off school property and their parents contacted.
The school locked its main doors to prevent them disrupting classes.
Police were called to the school because the pupils had been unruly and abusive, according to Education.
But Year 11 pupil Tiffany Fallaize, 16, said they were being treated unfairly.
Miss Fallaize, who spoke for the group, said that they did want to raise money for Haiti.
School head teacher Hazel Tetlaw was disappointed in the students.
‘They are letting the school down very badly,’ she said.
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Hazel Tetlaw appears to want to run a victorian school. Im personally disgusted in her. Locked them out? Ridiculous.
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See….this is what happens when school kids are allowed to express their individuality. We allow trainers for one day and they riot, imagine what nose piercings would do!
“But Year 11 pupil Tiffany Fallaize, 16, said they were being treated unfairly.”
No, unfair is having a building collapse on your head, losing your family and then facing starvation and homelessness.
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Is this a joke? Why were the police called? Is it against the law of the land to wear jeans to school instead of uniform? Last time I checked Guernsey Police’s mandate was not to enforce school rules.
Why not contact the children’s parents and ensure that they all changed into their school uniforms at lunchtime? A rather spurious reason to exclude the pupils from a day’s education when they were trying to raise money for charity.
The 20 students involved could have been mandated to arrange another charity event, such as a cake sale, or car wash, to make more money for the Haiti appeal as a more suitable “punishment” for wearing mufti.
Was a letter sent home to parents informing them of the trainer-wearing initiative? Or was all information provided only verbally to the students themselves?
I really cannot see the need for denying children their free, taxpayer-funded education and also for wasting police time just because 20 pupils turn up in their own clothes when the rules of a charity event have been Chinese-whispered around and aren’t clear to everyone involved.
Mrs. Tetlaw you should be ashamed of yourself.
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The rules for the day were set, trainers were the allowed break to uniform in order to raise money for the appeal.
What part of that did the group not understand, shame on them.
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Head Teacher Hazel Tetlaw should be reprimanded for wasting police time. Locking pupils out of the school for wearing “mufti” is a total overreaction. Rather than being disappointed with the students Ms Tetlaw should be more disappointed with herself for not being able to sort out a very minor situation.
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What is wrong with some children and parents? School rules should be followed. Simple isn’t it?
But honestly, calling the police? I can only imagine the rolling of eyes at the police station when they received that call.
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Do we know whether it was a minor situation? I doubt once being asked to go home and change they said “Ok Miss Tetlaw, we are really sorry. We will go straight home and change and be back in time for our first lesson.” They more than likely kicked off with foul language etc. I think Miss Tetlaw has taken exactly the right line here.
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So, they turned up in civvy clothes, so what,
they had their £1 for the charity but misunderstood the brief of trainers – not full outfit,
The head should have been able to see beyond the error and allow them to participate in lessons,
lack of vision from the very people who suggested the trainer day thinking that they had vision, funny how it turns out sometimes , isn’t it ?
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well done to Mrs Tetlaw and the staff at the school and shame on the 20 children for not being able or willing to listen to teachers instructions about the trainer day at school.
As a parent of a child at the school, we sent them in school uniform and wearing trainers and a donation for the appeal.
What we do find amusing about the ‘front page’ news is the lack of information about the swearing by the children towards staff, when told that they should either change into school uniform or go home and change.
The resolve of these children to express themselves and rebel against fairly clear school instructions could be defended if they were from one class who had not been given the dress code of the day.
unfortunately the ‘facebook’ group and the message in our childs inbox from a member of the group the night before this incident, would suggest a premeditated move by a group of kids to go against the rules. And considering the 20 pupils were from different classes the ‘not getting the message’ seems to fall on deaf ears.
As for the police being called, this may have been over the top for the situation, but who turned up first, the police or press reporter?
I’m sure staff called the police due to the behaviour of the children, which listening to our childs report of the unfolding situation, was a good move by the school.
As a parent we trust the headteacher and staff to look after our children when at school.This view has’nt changed given the incident.
Surely the parents of these 20 children should take some responsibility for their childrens actions, and try and show some interest in their childrens education.
Checking the meaning of ‘respecting’ and ‘authority’ would be a good start.!!
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Miss tetlaw has been running St sampson`s school like a prison for many many years, im glad something like this has made the paper`s, there`s lots of other things that have gone on there that should have been bought to the public`s attention a long time ago!
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Can’t see the reason for wearing school uniforms in the first place. They haven’t had uniforms in Canada, or indeed, in North America for decades. The same apparently applies on the continent: school uniforms are a thing of the Victorian past. Only the English seem incapable of moving forward with the times when it comes to education, and frankly, I think Guernsey should do itself a favour and give the English the boot! Maybe then we could get an intelligently run states education system.
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I think Hazel Tetlaw is the one being selfish in this situation, many schools on the island had a mufti day, trainer day is quite boring. If I was a parent of one of these children I’d tell Hazel where to stick it.
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I dont understand why the press chose to write about some 20 pupils who were in the wrong. Only last week St Sampsons High was being praised for the art work at the hospital. As a pupil, I think St Sampsons did very well in raising, probably, a lot of money. The other 700 or so pupils did well on Friday, so why chose to write about a very small amount of pupils who were in the wrong?
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Had to wear a uniform at school for years, always hated it, and thought it idiotic.
Equally, tho, I had to accept that I was a kid, the adults were in charge, they made the rules, and whilst I was in the system, I had to toe the line and respect my teachers. It goes without saying that I knew that breaking these rules came with dire consequences.
None of this every damaged my self esteem or sense of self, I had a darned good (state) education, and quite frankly, what I wore made B all difference.
Now I’m an adult, I live my own life, pay my own bills, and run my own company. This, as far as I am concerned, entitles me to wear whatever I like, pretty much.
What IS it with kids now and their sense of entitlement and complete lack of respect? Could it be it’s because there’s never any consequences for their actions at home?
Why are schools having to deal with their appalling attitudes and inability to comply with the rules that the other students have to live by? What are these parents doing to guide their children? At least some of them must have known their little darlings left the house that morning flagrantly going against what the school had stated was allowed, so why didn’t they step in and do something?
Newsflash, spoilt, over indulged little ASBO seekers. There’s rules and ‘unfairness’ all over the place, even after you leave school, so best get used to it now – if you want proof, then try recalling WHY you were doing this fund raising, and what’s happening in Haiti right now.
Though calling the police does seem heavy handed, it would appear that having tried reasoning with these kids and tolerating their appalling language, the Head felt she had no other choice….and on the positive side, it’s given them all a good taste of what they can look forward to if they continue their lives thinking the rules don’t apply to them.
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@iceman
“They haven’t had uniforms in Canada, or indeed, in North America for decades”
I don’t see your point, sorry.
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pathetic, waste of police time.
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P.jnr told me a couple of things he heard that put a different slant on things.
He has been told one of the excluded pupils called the police after phoning one of their parents who played the ‘my little David/ Shanice has a right to an education, even when they won’t obey the rules’ card.
Likewise for the press, phoned by a locked out pupil and there before the police.
All of the pupils had nose piercings and facial tattoos. (OK I might have made this one up)
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grumpy guern: A good post, and thank you for the insight into what happened. Why aren’t the press so informative?
@ Iceman:
I never see how anyone can compare the UK to the states and suggest we become more like them. More acquisitive crime, more disorder, more drugs, more violent crime – and this must, must have something to do with the way in which the residents are brought up – and schools play a major part in the development of any young person. As far as I’m concerned, if anything bring back the Victorian system and divorce further from the States. After all, it is the American ‘sue and complain’ culture that breeds these youths who ‘know their rights’. Iceman, your type of suggestion, in my opinion, is the type which is at the core of the demise of our society.
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Shame on the guernsey press for making this article front page news – pages 2 to 6 carried far more ‘serious’ news, aka pensioners being burgled etc.
All you have succeded in achieving is notoriety for a bunch of rebellious school kids who appear to think that rules which everyone else understands the need to abide by, do not relate to them!
I wonder, if this had happened at the ‘Grammer’ what would have been reported in the same way?
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iceman
I don`t see your point either.
Or maybe you are suggesting they copy us as i`m sure their inersted in what we do over here?. And why do you think not wearing uniforms is moving forward?.
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How anybody can defend a bunch of ‘rebels’ who deliberately defied the school rules is beyond my comprehension. In life we all have rules to follow whether we like it or not. It is what makes us a civilised society. Miss Tetlaw is a very good headteacher and every parent at St Sampson’s high should be backing her for sticking to the rules and her principles. Far too many ‘children’ never receive any consequences from their actions. They grow up thinking it is okay to make their own rules up as they go along. A large number of parents of teenagers on this island have no idea whatsoever where there children are or what they are doing. The fact that people are sticking up for these ‘rebels’ on here and not Miss Tetlaw speaks volumes about the general lack of respect for authority that exists on this island. Most of the parents at St Sampson’s high will be supporting the school’s stance.
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i am very interested in the views of the parents of the children involved…i have met hazel tetlaw with no idea of her job and she seems alright to me…..manners and character in order.
in her position she has to decide what to do, liked or disliked…
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The Police were called because these students were being disruptive and swearing up at the classrooms trying to incite other students (who thankfully didn’t respond to them).
The Press were called by Tiffany Fallaize or her mother… says a lot about them doesn’t it?!
Miss Tetlaw made completely the right decision… along with the other 760 students at the school who could follow a simple relaxation of the rules to raise money for those with devastated and shattered lives in Haiti.
Well done St Sampson’s High, you are a good school.
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A pound just to wear trainers !!! Used to be 50p for full mufti, absolute outrage !!
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roll on the summer when mrs t leaves the school.my son started there in september and ive never heard so much c**p come out of a teachers mouth,no bullying in the school my a**e,my neice was bullied there and she denies it now calling police and locking kids out of school,i think she should of just made the kids who turned up in full mufti pay a bigger donation.sorry i thought we now taught our kids to express them selves not surpress themselves,she should b repremanded for wasting police time.
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Teenager makes front page news for breaking school
uniform code. Less than one week later, a group of kids decide to break their school uniform code, claim a misunderstanding (although the accounts of parents on this forum calls this into question) then kick off when they’re given the opportunity to rectify the matter.
I wonder….was this a coincidence, or a group of kids who realised the Press jumped on such stories and fancied their own slice of the media coverage? I appreciate this may be seen as a little cynical, but I can’t help but wonder….
iceman – Arnald writes a good comment about the whole uniform issue on one of the pages about Nosepiecegate. Effectively, wearing a uniform puts everyone on the same level, whether rich or poor. Those who can’t afford the latest designer clothes don’t feel inferior.
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Certainly Mrs P’s information sheds this story in a whole new light.
Totally agree with Dean, starvation and homelessness is “unfair”, not deliberatly disobeying rules and then kicking up a stink.
I see the press are quickly on hand to encourage it too. Dares I say the ridiculous amount of coverage given to the nose stud girl, may have had some bearing on this.
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I think it’s worth noting that it was the pupils/feral youths involved that called the Press in the first place. Shows how pre-planned it was really doesn’t it?
The cause they were raising money for was lost on them, they made their own rules for the day. Just one question for their so called spokesman – If you 20 were in the right, does that mean the other 750 pupils were wrong?!
Mister Man – Please bring back this so called ‘Victorian School’. It was not so long ago when teachers and heads got respect and if, as a pupil, you did step out of line you damn well knew about it. Then the PC brigade came along and society has suffered ever since.
What will happen when these pupils get a job when they leave school that requires them to wear a uniform? will they rebel against that aswell?
Do that and they’ll be joining the the queue at
Edward T Weadon house because they will become unemployable.
God help ‘em when they get out into the real world. Can you imagine some of them going nose to nose with another work collegue whilst f-ing & blinding at them. ‘Bang – good night’.
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It is quite clear that the editor of this ‘newspaper’ shows no respect for the boundaries set that enabled him to achieve his position.
‘Rebellion’ is only useful when you understand what you are rebelling against. Judging by the ignoble display by a bunch of fifteen year olds outside my house last night, they are either stupid and need special care, or they are pathetically over-self-entitled. I guess it’s the latter.
Suffice it to say they did not understand a word I was saying and ran a mile.
A bit like Zorro. They’ll have ‘tools’ next time, I’m sure. I have bigger socks, and bigger balls.
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@ GG:
Is your post for real? … “I’d tell her where to stick it”…
I take it you mean “I’d tell her where to stick her charitable event and the people in Haiti can stick it too”?
You have clearly totally, totally missed the point behind the trainer day.
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The heads reaction is laughable, locking the school because students were being a tad offensive? if this was an english or american school the door would never be unlocked. Have some backbone, are these kids we’re talking about or escaped murderers?. What i find to be considerably more offensive is the wasting of police time. Why was it a uniformed day in the first place? this shows a pretty half-hearted approach to whats happened in Haiti. Every other school in the island (including the grammar which is pretty strict on uniform) and several workplaces as well were in mufti so why not st sampsons?. In my opinion miss tetlaw is just a stuffy old woman completely out of touch with the modern world.
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WELL DONE HAZEL TETLAW !!!!
This incident sums up today’s thugs, whoops I mean youths…..no respect !
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Queenbee
I agree totally with you. Many parents these days impose no discipline whatsoever on their kids. In many cases, the sole discipline that they are subjected to is at school. Very sad, but a real sign of the times.
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Im not taking any sides, i think this has been taken out of a proportion. I live in east London this page was sent to me by a mate who lives in Guernsey, its hardly news if that happened whilst i was at school they would have just let us in and probably would have got a good telling off. Our Page 8!! news today Man Stabbed To Death Chasing Muggers, That is a news story, that shows where our society is headed, lack of respect for human life.
No one bothers to read deeper into these kids im sure it was a misunderstanding or kids trying to be cocky either way its not a big thing.
Bad news is good news,
Good news is bad news.
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Tayo:
Your example of your page 8 is your local news story. Not ours. But, I do agree with the sentiment behind your post, which I think is based on the over excitement in the press office when they realised some kids were being naughty at school.
However, I also lived in London for quite some time (Clapham /Brixton border) and I thank god daily that Guernsey does not have SW2 news to report!
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GG – you say..
“I think Hazel Tetlaw is the one being selfish in this situation, many schools on the island had a mufti day, trainer day is quite boring. If I was a parent of one of these children I’d tell Hazel where to stick it”.
This attitude and some of the other attitudes on this blog is exactly the reason we have young people unable accept discipline or have respect for others.
You know what? life is sometimes boring, that doesn’t mean I have the right to create a scene to spice it up for me and trample all over others. The rules are the rules and if we don’t like them there is a better way to change them – discussion. Not swearing and kicking off which acheives nothing.
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Love the picture of middle student. How did the conversation go I wonder?
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Journo: Look, we need a shot of you guys looking at the school.
Journo: (thinks) Need the hoodie sub-text theme running through this story
Journo: Can you stick my t-shirt on your head please, just for shot consistency.
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@ Tayo
I do understand the point that you are trying to get across, this story has been blown out of all proportion as usual!!!
But on the flip side of it, is it not a good thing that the only news the gsy press can scrape together is pointless stories like this?
We don’t have man killed chasing muggers etc!!!! Luckily events don’t happen like that very often in Guernsey
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@John
For goodness sake, “This incident sums up today’s thugs, whoops I mean youths…..no respect !”
You silly man. Its adults like you who dont give youths a chance. Whilst I agree that Ms Tetlaw made the correct decision, how on earth can you categorise every single youth in the whole wide world based on the action of 20 pupils! Your behaviour is disgusting actually, I’m sure you were never a teen!
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Here we go again with the good old Gsy Press (or should it be Sun/Sport/News of the World) running another non story. Must have been a pretty slow news day I suppose.
Anyway as a parent of a pupil at St Sampsons High who leaves this summer, and I am glad of it, seeing the diffence in educational and teaching standards at this school, which in my veiw is a long way short of what we experienced with Mr Wheeler and his staff at St Peter Port,
I cant say I am surprised at the action taken by the School, but bearing in mind the large nuber of pupils at St Sampsons the head and her staff have to enforce the School rules. The fact that the group of kids/ their parents called the press and escalated what is a minor issue into “front page news” says more about them than it does about the way the School is run.
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GG, “trainer day is boring”? Did you actually read what Miss Tetlaw said? The events in Haiti are SERIOUS, therefore a fun day in mufti is inappropriate. This is not an opportunity for fun.
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GG – I cannot believe that you called Miss Tetlaw selfish for not letting the kids wear what they like – she made a concession to the usual rules in the aid of a serious charity. These kids tried to abuse that concession for their own selfish interests – just so that they could wear jeans and hoodies. These kids were not thinking about the cause, just the fact that they wanted to wear “mufti”. If you think that the biggest issue here is that a “trainer day” is “boring” then I wonder who really is the selfish one??
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Business Bloke, couldn’t agree more with your first paragraph! Another non-story for the GP.
Firstly, it does highlight a rather disturbing trend and undercurrent in certain elements of Guernsey’s youth. Rules are “there to be adhered to” and are by the vast majority. However there will always be an element that view rules as “there to be broken”.
It is important that efforts are made to differentiate between the two (to avoid the yob generalisation above) and it is also important to enforce rules and appropriate punishments where necessary on those that choose to adopt the “there to be broken” mantra.
Was calling the police an overreaction? I would say yes, if you have reached the respected position of head teacher of a school with c. 750 pupils I would have assumed that you have the capacity to enforce discipline and appropriate punishments (within the confines of what is allowable to a teacher) without the need to resort to calling the police.
Undoubtedly these children did require a level of punishment especially when the premeditation is taken into a consideration but it should have been done “in house”, it was / is Ms Tetlaw’s responsibility to enforce the necessary level of punishment.
Secondly, I’m of the opinion that the GP has been irresponsible in the handling of both this and “Nose Stud Gate”. By all means report on the news but give it the column inches that it deserves. By choosing to run this story as front page news you have succeeded in giving these students the attention they crave and their 5 minutes in the limelight, let’s hope the GP sees sense to limit it to 5 minutes this time.
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What a joke.. and what a waist of police time, Haven’t they got enought to do chasing the kids around after school. let alone getting called in to school ?.
What happens when they had fail to hand in thier homework on time.. jail ????..
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I heard it was a parent that called the media and then the Police… Plus, how many pupils should be able to rebel against the rules before the school take action and exclude them. Funny how 900 puplis knew it was a Trainer Day and not Mufti, those 20 just decided to try their luck.
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MelC, it was a parent that called the Police. Sounds like they needing called as these pupils were disrupting lessons.
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@ Paul Le Page
‘..nosepiercegate..’ Absolute classic. Nearly fell of my chair when I read that. You should have your own column….
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Yes, I was serious. Haiti can’t even get the aid in as it is, I very much doubt £1 from schools will help.
All other schools on the island held a full mufti day, I don’t think wearing casual clothes makes it a fun day, it’s just clothes…
Mrs Tetlaw is selfish, she’s more caring about what they where, than what the work they produce.
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Weird story if the Head called the Police she has lost control and needs to be replaced quickly.
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I’ll be glad to see the back of this Mrs Tetlaw, Ive not heard one good thing about her and to be honest, was it really worth locking these children out and calling the police? Why didnt she say go home get changed and come back? now was that so hard? obviously yes! Thank god i seen her job in the paper! There will always be teachers like her in schools, there simply isnt anything we can do about that but she wonders why students get the hump with her?!
Personally, i think she was acting very childish, she says the fundrasier was a serious thing and not made to be fun, yes while i agree with a tiny portion of that, why not make it fun you silly woman? that way you might of had the whole school behind you! In my day, if you were told you can wear trainers that usually meant mufti! What’s the problem with having a dress down day? that way she could have asked for more money but i suppose thats going against her “i run a prison, not a school” policy! i think she’s forgetting the prison is the building with the high fence not the one shes in!
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They were asked to go home and change and they refused and then became mouthy and were affecting lessons. Parent wanted they 5 minutes of fame and called the media and then the PARENT called the Police.
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Oh well, Haiti can’t get aid in, lets not bother.
GG, you have missed the point and I find your attitude worrying at best.
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@Vee
Get your facts right, she didn’t call the Police. I don’t know this lady but you have to remember she is a human after all. I would imagine she is reading these posts so let’s not make it personal! All she was doing was what she thought was right in order to protect the rest of her pupils from other potentially unruly children. Can she really be criticised for that!?
Rules are there to be stuck to, I don’t really understand the gripe in as much that if she allows the breaking of rules then surely she wouldn’t be doing her job properly.
Imagine if she had let this mob in and they caused damage to classrooms or assault to staff and other pupils. We would be complaining of her letting them in! She couldn’t win either way!
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It was the students who called the media.
It was the school who called the police.
Keep the facts real people.
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Sorry Ben but i believe it was the school that called the police!!!
U can hardly call them a mob eh? and if she cant control 20 students how does she control the other remainging 800 or so???
Ben you seem very angry, are you related to Mrs Tetlaw. I have said i have never heard anything good about this woman therefore i am of course going to think bad things until she proves me otherwise and this example just proves she’s clearly not the person to be in charge of a school.
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Ahh, the ‘yoof’ of today. No sense whatsoever.
Just think, some of this lot could be deputies in years to come!!
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Thinks my sister tiffany fallaize cant be as selfish as you all make her out to be if she is so much of a let down to the charity arc then why has she off her own back asked all the supermarkets if she canstand outside there stores to make money for haiti she asked the stores before all this kicked off at st sapsons school n yes tiffany did call the press so what the police said there was nothing they could do as the kids where not doing anything wrong … i will tell you whats wrong teachers videoing the kids and locking students in the school what if there was a fire say the kids out side of the school hardly kicked off and as soon as tiffany said she had called the press miss tetlaw was saying lets go inside children and talk about this .. TIFFANY WILL BE RASING MONEY FOR AID REACHING CHILDREN OUTSIDE MARKS AND SPARKS L’ISLET ON SATURDAY FOR PEOPLE WHO WISH TO DONATE !!
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@ Vee
Trust me, i am a very different peer group and have no connection to this lady. The knowledge i have of Ms Tetlaw is from this article alone and she may well be the stuff nightmares are made of. All I’m saying is lets not be personal. I’m not angry, far from it.
Far be it from me to be Carol Vordemon but mob – “any group or collection of persons or things”
The fact remains that Ms Tetlaw does control the “remaining 800 or so” otherwise there would have been 820 in dress down attire?!?
May i respectfully ask of these terrible instances to which you refer? Perhaps they should be reported? Or don’t you have any…
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I love how a few kids turning up in normal clothes is being talked about as if it’s a full-scale riot, an assault on all that is good and proper. Yes, there are rules, but trainers for a quid? What a gyp! We used to get full mufti for 10p! Surely calling the police has caused more disruption than just letting them in quietly, taking their donations, and making them change at lunchtime?
I feel sorry for Guernsey kids. They do seem to be getting a lot of bad press lately when most of it is to do with stubborn adults going completely overboard.They’ll be eaten alive in the real world, poor things.
Did the head turn away their £20 in donations, too. Isn’t that more important? Maybe she should take a little trip to haiti to get her priorities straight.
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Remi:
Why didn’t Tiffany just turn up at school in uniform, with trainers on as she should have done?
Don’t tell me she was confused – I am well aware of the facebook group set up to disrupt the days charitable event. It was a planned act of rebellion.
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who is to say these kids are not rebels! too many people are far to quick to judge and condeme the young kids of today. they made a minor mistake, what was wrong in allowing them to stay in muffty and have a detention the following week. As for the abuse from the kids, unless you have a child at the school and have had to deal with some of the ridulous SCHOOL RULES that are set then you cannot begin to believe what goes in in there. Many of these brilliant teachers have no people skills and do not respect the pupils. Respect where respect is due. they are not small children but young adults it is about time the staff at this school remembered that. These children will grow up and soon be voters and tax payers. do we only listen to them when they are 18. as for children should be seen and not heard. WAKE UP AND GET A LIFE.
MISS TETLAW LEAVES A LOT TO BE DESIRED WITH HERE PRISION LIKE RULES. if 20 children from assorted classes and years can make a genuine mistake they should be treated with properly and not made out to be rebels! so get the facts right before you judge them, the teachers are not always right, so of the adult population are to quick to disregard the young of today. If you read the press there is so many ADULTS in there with either drunk and disorderly drink driving,etc are they setting a good example. IF THE SHOE FITS WEAR IT!!
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“Imagine if she had let this mob in and they caused damage to classrooms or assault to staff and other pupils. We would be complaining of her letting them in!”
They are children, Ben, not gun-wielding maniacs! Calm down, Guernsey. South Central LA this ain’t!
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@Blue, sorry mate, but I think the “yoof” of today have far more knowledge than you old “gits” ;)
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firstly the children called the media. hoping that they would have a chance of being heard for a change.
secondly Miss tetlaw called the police as she cannot handle any confrontation.
all this started off as was a misunderstanding from the children. it was not a chance to lets rebel and cause a stink act.
the kids at this school are not allowed to speak up, this school has the highest number of exclusuions in the island. that should speak for itself. If a child locked a teacher out what do you think would happen? yes they would be punished. is miss tetlaw going to be punished? i doubt it. we read so much about this wonderful new school which should never have been built in the first place. they obviously cannot cope with 770 pupils. this school will have a bad name in a few years and not necessary from the children.
Mr wheeler taught so many children from the unruly estate houses (which everone is so eager to say) yet he did a wonderful job and still is at la mare. roll on the end of summer term when miss tetlaw retires, she obviously has bitten off more than she can chew.
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so what if the guernsey press write an article about the school. I buy this paper and I am fed up with reading about how we should spend our money or what is increasing next week or listening to the rubbish the politians are talking about (who I voted for!) there is other aspects of island life in guernsey and maybe it is about time we heard from the lesser stories. we only get to hear about the wonderful school and how it is run. too good to be true, this school and there rules have major problems. if you say these children are rebels who is teaching them? it cannot always be the parents fault? obviously something is wrong somewhere. people are to quick to pass the blame onto kids today. it is society in guernsey that has changed!!!
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Miss Tetlaw is living in the dark ages where children should be seen and not heard. Any student who dares to have there own opinion or disagree with her is excluded from school. Its a pitty that she is not as quick to call the police when members of her staff physically assault the students in her own care.three member of staff in as many weeks as been accused of assult but Because it happens infront a class full of children they must be all lying. Hopefully when she is replaced it will be someone who is actually in touched with todays youth.
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Time to set a few things straight. The kids were told it was a trainer day by the school then recieved an e-mail saying it was an island wide mufti day. Miss Tetlaw called the police as the group remained OUTSIDE the school until the press arrived. Tiffany called the press because of the way the school handled them going in mufti, I.E some being sent to the time out room for the day, others sent home to change and a couple being told they were excluded from school. As for their disruptive behavior I have asked to see the video that one teacher was taking of the group and the cctv from the school, I am still waiting but if I find my childrens behavior was abusive they will be punished fot it. The police obviously wern’t to concerned as they didn’t even speak to the group, just the teachers then left. This whole situation has been blown completly out of proportion.
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good grief. you have to have some rules – otherwise you will live in fear of your life. some of this starts in school. if you want to change the rule in school or society you do it by rational debate and democracy – otherwise you have dog eat dog. sorry kids – i know it seems trivial but you made a mistake at best or were prats at worst. if your strop was not just about ‘me me me’, you would have simply have gone home and got changed, and thought of 150,000 dead.
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There seems to be a lot of flak aimed at Miss Tetlaw.
1. FACT Miss Fallaize deliberately organised a campaign to undermine the authority of the school.
2. FACT Most of the miscreants were going home to get changed into school uniform when Miss Fallaize phoned them up and told them to come back to school to protest.
3. FACT These students were shouting up at classrooms and trying to disrupt the learning of 760 other students.
4. FACT If the students had been allowed in by the school for the day it would send out the wrong signal entirely.
5. FACT Miss Tetlaw’s intentions should never be questioned. It will be hard to find such a dedicated and caring replacement.
As a parent, she has my full support.
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Brodie (Jan 23 @ 10:44)
Yet more tosh from you – bashing any form of authority. Just the same as your nonsense on other threads.
So Hazel has been running St Sampsons High like a prison “for many many years” has she? How “many many years” has the school been operational?
Like a prison? Get real.
And you’re glad that things like this have made the press? Stick to X-Factor or BB in future – clearly at your intellectual level.
As for your assertion that lots of other things have gone on at SSH which should have been brought to the public’s attention years ago, then what are you referring to specifically, and why haven’t you brought them to our attention?
Probably because there is no substance to your ramblings.
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Miss Tetlaw is an excellent headteacher my children attended her school i for one have nothing but praise for her.
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FACT miss fallaize did not orgainise this.
fact miss fallaize did not call pupils back.
I dont know wea you get your information but making slanderous comments on this child speaks for itself and tells us alot about these adults of today who are too quick to disregard the youths. listen to yourself are you not acting rebellious and argumentive too – against children.
you need to step back and take a look, this is exactly what these kids are trying to say, the reaction from there peers whe they have freedom of speach is disgusting. one rule for the adults one rule for the kids.
the reason other matters have not been brought to the attention is because it is aways brushed under the carpet. you ask for them to speak up. when they do look at your reaction.- WHY BOTHER THEN!
miss teltaw may have had a remarkable career but she certainly know how to go out with a bang!
she has somehow lost herself along the way and is not capable of dealing with the children of today.
yes yes yes it is the parents fault and blah blah blah. pass the buck along.
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People seem to have forgotten that the purpose of allowing students to wear trainers for £1 that day was to raise money in support of the dreadful tragedy that is happening in Haiti. It seems that few of those children involved in the school incident had any thought for this while turning up in mufti and rather spent their energy in apparently protesting. It also seems that whoever tried to insist that the children change into uniform thought less about the fund raising that day and more about maintaining uniform policy. Would it not have been reasonable to simply to say “look, you’re supposed to be in uniform but for one day only you’re forgiven so don’t let it happen again…oh and by the way you can pay an extra £1″? This would surely have been a more positive approach. I take it dress down days will never happen again now and it has certainly tarnished the atmosphere of future fund raising.
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the best comment I have heard and I think states everything is from JACK.
No abusive comments and no sides taken but simple fact.
this was all about a muffti
I think you should apply for the next principal position as you are clearly able to see both sides.
thank you for a refreshing remark.
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I used to be a bit of a rebel at school and couldn’t stand my teachers! Always used to think they were picking on me and thought school was like prison. I noticed that the children (my peers) who were well behaved didn’t have the same issues with the teachers and didn’t get “bullied” by them. I wonder if it is actually the case that it’s only the rebels and the likes of Tiffany Fallaize who are the ones that don’t like the teachers and specifically Ms Tetlaw?!?
I haven’t actually heard any good argument on here as to why Ms Tetlaw runs the school like a prison. Was it because you were the naughty kids and actually Ms Tetlaw is just doing the same job that any other head teacher would do?
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t,
Have you read the public postings which Miss Fallaize made on her Facebook wall at 6.43pm, 8.22pm, and 10.47pm on the evening before the incident?
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@T etc
Many of you clearly know nothing about running a school and are poorly informed of these students.
They are persistent trouble makers, have been excluded countless times and show no respect for their hard-working and dedicated teachers (along with their hard-working and dedicated other students).
I really do hope that the school can take a tough line against them because it is children like mine who get a bad reputation from a attending a very mispresented school (by the media and public opinion!)
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‘t’ for tiffany perhaps?
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u-NO I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THIS FACEBOOK, I HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO LIKE WORK THAN SIT ON FACEBOOK.
BEN- as you have clearly said you were on a child and thought the teachers we wrong at one point in your life. this is all that is happening here, the kids thought they were right and were being treated unfairly that was all this was about, but has been totally blown out of proportion by calling the police. the school has made a mountain out of a mole hill. which i am sure they have better things to do than settle petty squables over a uniform policy.
my daughter was off school sick for the week, she was actually in her uniform on friday and and asked me to drop her mufti clothes down as she believed it was mufti. the teachers did not even consider this knowing she had not been into school that week but still choose to exclude her, lock her out in a split decision. now is that fair I ask you? she was not one of these kids protesting she had only been on the premises 10 mins and had obviously gotten the wrong impression.my daughter has lost 3 days of schooling due to a minor mishap on her part considering I had just driven to her with the clothes an left she had no way of getting her uniform again. as you know it was pouring with rain and she had to walk back to st peter port after not beinging allowed into school then expected to walk back. what a wasted day. when all she had to do was be sent to the time out room for the day, get a detention, end of subject. I had the highest regard for the teachers before this incident but I am certainly taking a different view now.
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SSHS PARENT- no t is not for tiffany I am a married woman with 4 children, one was deputy head at her school and another a prefect. so my kids can not all be rebels. and I do work before you label me with the single parent claiming benefits as you clearly have no regard to anyone else making a comment on this site.
get your facts right before you make remarks. it is stuffy nosed adults like yourself that causes these sort of problems. you obviously have no time for the youth of today, and do not believe they should be able to speak up.
are you sure you do not work for the education department as you comments seem to be in favour of them strongly. you obviously know how to run a school, if so please let me know which school so I may make sure my children have no dealings with a stuck up peer.
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Hi T – not Tiffany but certainly TF!!!
I am all in favour of letting children speak up – they just have to accept the authority of the school once the school has listened to them and their opinions.
If your children had respected the decision of the school to send them home, they would not have been excluded.
It is a cliche, but in this case, you can blame the parents.
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GG – Knowledge comes with experience, believe me.
You’ll look back in years to come and think ‘What were they playing at?’
To all those who are going on about the the price (£1.00) of Trainer Day – What planet are you on? Are you in the real world?
It’s for Charity for god’s sake.
The whole thing is lost on you really, isn’t it?!!
Because of what these 20 rejects caused, the reason for raising money in the first place has got lost in thier own publicity.
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I was under the impression that the whole mufti event was to get charity for the people of Haiti? The people who disrupted it were obviously trying to stir up trouble for their own selfish reasons. I have seen the evidence of this as my son is friends with one of the organisers of this ‘protest’ and he showed me her Facebook page from where she tried to orgainise it. Not once did it mention the people of Haiti or their plight. It was more focused on basically causing trouble.
I am not saying that all the people involved were ‘thugs’ or ‘out of control’ as we all know that young adults can get caught up in the moment,but the original plan was clearly not to help a charity or a simple understanding. It was an orgainised attempt to disrupt the school.
I think it is wrong to allow this behaviour to be linked to anything to do with the charity appeal for Haiti.
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Completely agree with SSHS parent, Blue, Francis and especially ben’s comments.
“u-NO I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THIS FACEBOOK, I HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO LIKE WORK THAN SIT ON FACEBOOK.”
Sorry t, but he was merely challenging your earlier denial of “FACT miss fallaize did not orgainise this.”
I was aware of a Facebook group prior to Friday, this ‘rebellion’ was definitionally pre planned.
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These are quite obviously “thugs” looking to cause trouble and disrupt a very well run school.
Ban the thugs and let the Head and teachers get on with teaching the majority of children who want to learn and are happy to abide by the school rules.
The parents of these thugs should be ashamed of their children and ashemed of themselves for not having taken control of the situation. I notice that in th photo’s most of these children were wearing hoodies.
I think hoodies should be banned as they are in certain town centres in the UK. they are a styleof dress which immediatley promotes fear and concern in most law abiding citizens.
Why do the few have to spoil it for the majority? A charitable act has been sullied by these few children.
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t
You should not quote “FACTS”, if the FACTS you quote are false.
And you should not get involved in debate if you are not willing to look at irrefutable evidence provided to you which negates your “facts”.
Miss Fallaize clearly organised this event therefore she and her obdurate little group were treated accordingly.
I am glad that the schools are stading up for their principals.
If Miss F had actually thought about the reason for the Trainer day, maybe she would have had more respect.
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@ T:
You are clearly too passionate about this issue to be objective, or reasonable. Read Dean’s comments above to see why you have missed the point re Facebook, for example.
There is no doubt that this WAS a planned act of rebellion. The school have to take a hard line against such issues to maintain order amongst the other 750 students.
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@Blue, yes £1 is a good charitable donation. What I don’t understand is why School’s are always one of the main targets for charitable donations, there is usually one every couple of weeks, and asking to give their own saved money is outrageous.
I think Ms Tetlaw should apologise in public, for her waste of Police time.
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Taken from Tiffany Fallaize’s facebook page at 20.22 on 21 January (I’m not responsible for the grammatical errors!!) It’s in the public domain, her account isn’t private.
Tiffany Fallaize Thinks every student at St Sampsons should wear mufty tomorrow if you dont i am personly going to hit you and your a pussy if you dont! :)21 January at 20:22 ·
Friend 1 im actually a pussy :\ 21 January at 20:22
Tiffany Fallaize Well if you dont wear mufty you clearly are scared of Tetlaw! 21 January at 20:24
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GG – There is not one every couple of weeks, your talking thru your hat. You make something bigger than it actually is, just like those kids did.
If you took a step back for 2 minutes and actually thought about it, sorry if that’s hard for you, you’ll find it’s not only schools that raise money. It happens in business more often than you think. What about the charities that do it full time? Do you think they get sick of it?
The Police were called for other pupil’s saftey and the ones told to go home were causing a disturbance, simple really. If i was a parent of a pupil i certainly wouldn’t expect my kids to put up with that sort of intimidation.
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Why on earth has Hazel Tetlaw, the headteacher, come in for so much stick? I know for a fact, that all the children were informed, in plenty of time, that it was purely a trainers-only day, NOT full mufti. They have plenty of other opportunities in the year to dress out of uniform. But yet again, a small gang of ignorant and self-serving pupils (I doubt, very much, their thoughts were with the poor people of Haiti when they were coming up with their Facebook campaign) have brought St Sampsons High into disrepute. Good on Hazel for locking the doors – the pupils were being disruptive. And then to find out the parents were actually backing them and wanted ‘their side’ told to the GP is shameful. I know one mother refused to pay the one pound as she was heard, saying ‘It’s not worth my while, just for trainers.’ Did it ever occur to this ignorant woman to think about why the school’s management had organised the appeal? Exclude the lot of them, I say. And fine the parents for wasting police time.
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yes very passonite about this as my daughter is involved and have listened to all the FACTS today at a meeting so Yes i do know what im taking about. just because miss f posted that on facebook does not mean everychild read it. some heard about muffti through text messages. and arent we clever to know my initials are tf. Ive nothing to hide HAVE YOU.
i have sat with the education for over 2 hours and there was some very interesting details which you could not possibily know. my children are not were certainly not intimidated from miss f they can stand up and be counted for their own actions.
pasting and posting miss f words from facebook is starting your own vendetta against a child, is no better than starting a riot yourself. the education and police and all parents involved are quite aware of what was on face book. thank you. as for my child returning home as requested THEY DID. anything you might like to add. i suggest you go to sshs and sit in one of the many meetings with the education so you can get better aquated with the correct facts. slander is against the law but I am sure you know that with your high iq
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@ Facebooker
Well researched and disclosed.
Someone should warn these kids just how dangerous Facebook can be for their future.
Recently an Oxford Uni undergraduate was expelled for the pictures he disclosed on facebook and I certainlyreview facebook content before interviewing anyone.
Beware
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SSHS PARENT
now how on earth could you have known my initials as t could stand for anything. you obviously are more involved in this yourself to have possibly known that. maybe a member of staff. personal data is confidental might I add. this is not a vendetta against me i have every right to voice my opinions with regard to this matter on this site I know what I have been informed with from education miss tetlaw and the kids involved. so bully for you if you know who I am you are certainly clued up with all the facts arent you.
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@Blue, yes there are. There’s one every couple of weeks, nearly always at the end of a half term, in businesses you’re earning money so you can quite easily afford to put some money towards a worthwhile cause, but school children earn their money, either through an allowance and/or working.
Why should they donate their money, the States should donate money all of Guernsey’s behalf.
Also, I still agree with my comment about Ms Tetlaw, locking doors is a very bad move, if a fire was to occur, all the children could be at risk, due to this selfish woman’s move.
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pursonalli i fink dat i had evry ryt 2 do dat @ mah skl
it mah skl nd i fink dat trainers rnt enuf 2 make us paii a quid 2 wear dem.
tetlaw is a idiot 4 lockin me n mah m8s out just cuz we wur warin trainers.
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@GGG
“I certainlyreview [sic] facebook content before interviewing anyone”
“If I get a CV from someone that has a spelling mistake they dont [sic] get an interview whatever their qualifications.”
Worrying, I hope you are joking!?
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Hey GGG, see you’re promoting your overly judgemental interviewing style on this thread too.
Before you conduct your next interview (if anyone ever gets past the pre-interview screening that is) I want you to do lines.
Please write 1,000 times for me:-
“I MUST use the ‘space bar’ between words”
“I MUST use the ‘space bar’ between words”
“I MUST use the ‘space bar’ between words”
“I MUST use the ‘space bar’ between words”
“I MUST use the ‘space bar’ between words”
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T
I just hope that you can support the school now for the sake of your child.
We all have to obey the law when we leave school and whilst at school we obey the rules and expectations that they have.
I’ve never had a problem with the school since my children have been there (one was at St Peter Port before) – you know why? THEY DO AS THEY’RE TOLD. Simple!
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Now GG, there is something not quite right about this statement:
“@Blue, yes there are. There’s one every couple of weeks, nearly always at the end of a half term, ”
so you have a half term every couple of weeks, do you??
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@MrsPinthepantry|& Dean
Point taken and understood. I hang my head in shame and have already got through 130 of the lines set.
However in a business environment employers do look at Facebook and they also reject applicants if they make a spelling mistake.
I am afraid that in a competitive world the smallest mistake can mean the difference between getting that interview and not getting it.
I have hundreds of applications each year that I have to sift through and therefore if someone does not have the sense to check their own spelling, or use spell-check, they are rejected. I am sure you can understand the sense in this approach.
I know my grammar and spelling is not perfect but I do check it when I am writing letters or important documents.
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t
All i got was “blah blah blah FACTS blah blah blah FACTS”
I dont think anyone believes you because you have been proven wrong once on this thread, so just stop trying to prove that you know more about it because no-one is buying it FACT.
And if your conduct is anything like the children involved, is it any wonder that the headteacher is fed up with them.
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I believe I notice a theme throughout the messages on this subject. The anti Tetlaw, anti school posters seem to be less literate and less aware of the facts of the matter than those pro Tetlaw, pro school.
Perhaps I don’t need to say I am in the pro Tetlaw camp.
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quite so, Mrs P.
Judging by the woeful abuse of the english language and grammar on this forum, one could be forgiven for assuming the average age, and, perhaps, level of involvement, in Tiffanygate, of some of those who are involved in this ‘childrens’ rights’ debate are.
One could also debate that if the little persons involved in this deliberate, pre meditated attempt to hijack the day for their own purposes, (which includes spoiling what should have been a fun day for everyone for their own selfish purposes, thus proving that they think they truly are the centre of their own universes – actions speak louder than words, dears – and, as a piece de resistance, calling the Press, ALL clearly ‘encouraged’, shall we say, by the aforementioned Tifanny) spent more time studying and less time on FB, texting and being a royal pain in the *ss, then they would have a chance of growing up to be responsible members of society, with not only something valuable to say, but also with the intellectual ability to express it correctly…..
thank the lord that they get some discipline and a knowledge of consequences at school, which may give them a chance of heading in the right direction, as there doesn’t appear to be any at home.
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Couldnt happen at a private school for the rich!
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THE MAN- I would like to know how I have been proven wrong, as the first I knew about this was from a phone call on the morning in question. so yes you get blah blah and facts. obviously I have them i was in a meeting with all conserned. were you, no.
and if this is how some adults behave then it is no wonder the kids are playing up.
not all those kids who went in mufti read about it on faebook. some learnt through txt messages some from the club they attend on thursday evening and others from word of mouth. I see a adult is still protesting with the article in the gp today with regard to miss fallaize. there is certainly some very sad and mixed up people out there. I do not need to make any more comments or justify myself to you. I have seen the departments involved and know the facts and proved to them also that my daughter did not read the facebook article. yes she was wrong and was punished. that is fact.
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T
On this anonymous forum you do not know whether I was in this supposed meeting or not.
Similarly we have no proof that you attended a meeting either other than you spouting your gubbins on here which has been proved incorrect.
And to prove that this is exactly what you said in a previous post
“FACT miss fallaize did not orgainise this.”
Do you deny writing that??
Then I refer you to Facebookers post that completely invalidates your “FACT”
This is where you are proven wrong!
Why should we beleive anything else you type
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Scarlett,
Just to let you know that the irony of your 8.43am post wasn’t lost on me.
Using appalling grammar to highlight the problem of appalling grammar…priceless!
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Haha!
Omg , how pathetic is this!?
All they wanted to do was raise funds for haiti!
They get the police called on them for no reason at all, that is so out of order!
Getting locked out? How pathetic.
And some people say that this is an AMAZING SCHOOL!? hahaha! well that just proves it.
Wow, getting locked out?! Police called?! for what reason, the Police have more SERIOUS issues to deal with.
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@xLovePeaceMiley
“All they wanted to do was raise funds for haiti!”
try
“All they wanted to do was raise a scene by not obeying the rules, that 760+ other students managed to comply with, in an effort to get one over the Head teacher”
I have it on good authority from a teacher there that the press were on site before the police (and I can’t believe the school would have called the press, do you?).
I don’t know who called the police and haven’t seen a statement from the school.
I do however have no time for Tetlaw who spent more time gallivanting around the new school as it was being built than dealing with the bullying at the old St. Sampsons. Just repeating the lie that “there is no bullying” was not dealing with it!
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i find this quite pathetic tbh. almost eveyr other school had mufti but instead all we had was wear trainers.
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Andd Phoning The policee Was a waste of tiimee to be honest
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Andy (Jan27 09:01)
I suggest that the reason that this type of incident is unlikely to happen at a private school is simply because the standards expected from both staff and pupils are set higher.
Your implication that private schools are for the rich is just a pathetic “lefty” remark. Most parents of pupils at private schools are in fact not wealthy.
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@Student Jim.
(and I can’t believe the school would have called the press, do you?).
^^ no, i honestly don’t know why they would do such a stupid thing, it’s the schools issues to deal with..not spreading it all around Guernsey.. She wants people to believe that the school is High class with nothing bad (if y’all know what i mean) – but she’s the 1st to run to the press and show’s the school up.. but she blames people like me for a nose piercing to show the school up.. Hmm.. Okay.
& I agree with you on the bit where she tells everyone there’s no bullying.
That school is full of bullying!
She just can’t be bother to do her job and sort out the real problems. She’s letting the school down.
I know that from a victim of bullying! being messed around, she hides it all behind lies.
Her favourite line “Our school has a 0% policy for bullying and we do not tolerate bullying in our school”.. Yeah okay then.. that’s why the school’s falling apart with the people.
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@xLovePeace Miley
Just look at Tiffany’s facebook page. This was NOT about raising funds for Haiti it was in fact about getting one over on Tetlaw.
My friend is a teacher at that school and he informs me that one teacher had something thrown at them and abuse was yelled from these “protestors”.
I have absolutely no respect for people who would use the excuse of raising awareness and so called funds for this devestating event to further their disillusioned ideas of teenage rebellion.
And let’s face it. If the only thing they have to rebell against is their school it kinda loses the point…
The fact that Tiffany is supposidly raising funds outside M&S L’Islet this Saturday is laughable. I wonder if she wear her school uniform as a mark of apology…?
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How is Miss Tetlaw getting this much stick? In my opinion, she did the right thing by excluding these pupils. You would’ve hoped that by now, Tiffany and the rest would see the error of their ways and accepted their punishment and carried on as normal, But instead they defend their actions. Similarly to nosepierce-gate, the school sets the rules, and while you might think it’s unfair, there are better ways to protest than by forming a mob and turning up in mufti.
And Tiffany, your wall posts not personal data, and are publicly accessible on Facebook. Judging by the other posts on your wall (I won’t paste them here) seems to show the type immature character you really are. I hope you can learn from this.
Steve
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What a shame that some of the people posting on this forum have obviously missed out considerably on their education. Some of the grammar and spelling mistakes are unbelievable! Better get back to school and learn things like “would have” not “would of” etc etc etc. No wonder the children have a problem.
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my children went to st sampsons its a brilliant school they never caused me any grief.As for Ms Tetlaw she is a fab headteacher one of the best.
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@LolHAHA – thank you! perhaps you could have a word with the editor….if they can afford my six figure wage demands that is! ;-)
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actualy you’ve all got this wrong this all started as group on facebook called ‘ Wear Mufty to school on Friday 22nd Jan ‘ it got joined news got round and there was also a chain text goign round for everyone to do it cause ‘ Hi guys
We are running an island wide Mufti Day tomorrow I’ve asked a lot of businesses to take part and all the schools. We will let you know how much money we raise from this and how we are getting on with identifying our projects out in Port-au-prince. Please post this link http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=40831…1270513 to all your friends and ask them to join our group we need all the support we can get. Many thanks
Linda
Aid Reaching Children
Haiti Earthquake Appeal Emergency Appeal
January 21 at 8:06pm’
was posted on the wall off the group which made it oen look profestional and it does say island wide mufti which thats where teh unfairness came from, yes im a student of st sampsons and yes tetlaw was wrong for locking them out but then they decided to put board against teh doors to block the windows, she took it way to far,- also just to add to that the was an inbox on facebook aswel that alot of people had been sent and it was all ‘ i wil if you do, what if?’ and all that and the people who did it some of them are the most inocent people you could meet, but then she tryed getting the children excluded but education refused for that action to be taken, the children would of been fine it they didnt have teachers in there faces shouting at them instead if they had phone the parent organised for them to get home and back just to get changed or for uniform to been dropped off, but this has all been taken to far.
this is just my opinion.
but now some of those students are nto atending school so there missing out on education because of all this fuss over something that would of been easily solved.
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Thank you for pointing out the error of my ways, Dot. Duly noted.
Perhaps you should consider becoming a teacher?
After all, they do say that those who can’t do (or in your case, contribute anything valid to a debate), teach.
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@Vickey.
You make an interesting point. I mean, if Facebook and ‘texts’ said it, it must be true.
@Kealiegh & xLovePeaceMiley
Sorry, what’s pathetic? The day was organised to raise money for Haiti. I think acting up because you can’t wear your precious mufti is pathetic.
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I went onto facebook lastnight and looked at this girls page, she clearly is very young and immature. Some of her posts are extremely worrying for a girl of her age and some arent even legal and the best bit, HER MOTHER is friends with her on the site.
I dont think calling the police was right unless someone was going to get hurt?! i dont know either way if it was something out of nothing or Miss Tetlaw being overactive? But the young girl calling the press when she knew full well she was the bully in all of this, clearly stupid!
I’m shocked after reading her page, she’s all of 15/16 and is acting this way, god help whom ever employs this one!
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kids put up to it by indulgent parents.
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This has gone way out of the window were any of you there on the day NO, well then you dont have a clue what was going on outside of that school. If we were that bad why did the police not even ask us to move they did not even say 1 word to us. My facebook post was not directly aimed at anybody if you look at it properly and understand facebook you would no that it is not aimed at anybody. Asif im going to HIT 800 students. I did not phone the students telling them to get back at all so i do not know where you are getting your FACTS from as they are not the truth. So what i have been in trouble at school whats that got to do with anybody apart from myself and the education. I can assure you that none of the students were at threat they have minds of thier own! Yes we might not be great at spelling puntuality but at the end of the day who is! I have sat through the meeting with the education and as i may say they agree with my point but not the way i handled it actually! Also i was not the only students that organised it i was just the only students that could be named!
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Also the reason the people had the hoods up in the photo is not because were THUGS its because they are not old enough to be named or to be seen without permission. FACT
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@Tiffany
“whats that got to do with anybody apart from myself and the education.”
Didn’t you or one of your ‘crew’ call the media?
“Yes we might not be great at spelling puntuality [sic]but at the end of the day who is”
Your English teacher probably is.
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@Tiffany, I’d suggest updating the privacy settings on your Facebook, that way nobody can see stuff.
I do agree with you though.
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anywy. if yous dis my cripps and my soul siss Tiff you lot are well in trouble. That teacher head Mrs Tetley snt us emails saying wear mufti – so i dids. But she is so un street she dint no wot ‘mufti’ meant to me and ma b***ches.
We turns up wanting to got to this Haiti gig – finking it was some band playin’. Told it wos a pound to get in like.
Next thing we know blues and twos all over da place and us geetin bundled out a skool like we wos some crims.
Rubbish that was – next time I know we are gonna be set up by skool I’ll just bunk off as usual. Only went in cos I thought there was some muzak playing? Normally I’m up delancey hiding in the bushes smoking ma ciggies.
It’s my parents fault – theys brought m up like that.
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Tiffany – Hope you enjoy flipping burgers in McDonalds when you leave school because your clearly not mature enough to be trusted to do anything else really.
You’ve been caught out and you don’t like it, do you?
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There are lots of mixed messages on this thread and I agree and disagree with a lot of them. Having read Tiffany’s facebook page I agree with much of what Vee has said, I’d be ashamed if I was her mother. But I’m very surprised to be agreeing with Tiffany on the stupid comment that was made about the wearing of hoodies that automatically labels them as thugs – I’m 39, considered respectable, have a good job, good education etc and I wear hoodies so does that make me a thug? I wear them to keep warm!!! Wearing hoodies does not mean you are a thug – keep to the programme people :)
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Tiffany:
You seem to be confused. If the police didn’t speak to you it does not mean you “weren’t that bad”. There is a big difference between breaking school rules, and breaking the law.
When I was at school it was accepted that teachers ran the school, and set the rules. The rules and discipline were no less effective, and were not taken any less seriously, because the police did not enforce them.
You need to start to show respect for your teachers and the other school staff. What you think of them inside your own head is up to you, and should stay inside your head. Or, if you do have a problem with a teacher, you need to speak to your parents or another teacher about it. You are not entitled to take matters into your own hands.
Teachers do not need to earn from you their right to be treated with respect – it is implied with the post. You are not equal with your teachers, you are a student. Start behaving like one.
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Good call about hoodies – it’s an item of clothing, not a weapon. Besides, everyone knows real gangsters wear suits!
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I dont see how you have caught me out. I have been totally honest as to my involvement in this, and i have taken my punishment for it. To all of you who have listened to different teachers versions of events i suggest you contact Miss Tetlaw on 01481244411 as she isnt aware of any of these events taking place. I would also like to add that the rest of the children involved have all taken responsibilty for their own actions and they too have been punished accordingly.
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Tiffany ~ you say: Also the reason the people had the hoods up in the photo is not because were THUGS its because they are not old enough to be named or to be seen without permission. FACT
Are you in that photo? as you have been named and shamed?
I think your an embarrassment, immature, obviously crying out for attention, in serious need of some guidance and the worst thing is your probably going to be like this for the rest of your life and its going to be people like me that will be paying your benefit chq! But by looks of things, its in your DNA.
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Mrs Tetlaw obviously doesn’t know how to run a school, then. Punishing those that wish to give to charity.
Never hear this kind of rubbish from male headteachers ;)
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@Lynnie
I take back what i said about “Raising funds” I also saw on Facebook and that was way out of order.
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It’s all so very, very sad.
Back in my day, we were on the roofs unfurling banners and chucking chairs.
This lot can’t even spell, think jeans and a t-shirt are anti-establishment, and sound like they’ve been bought up by a television with one channel.
What is more sad is that there are people willing to attempt to reason with ignorance through insults and one-upmanship.
Let them stamp their feet. Then show them through education how their stamps can actually be understood, if not have more of an impact.
If you want fame, girlies, you gotta pay for it. In sweat.
(Like Michael J McF’s “Dissecting Antismokers Brains” – available from a SHOP NEAR YOU. I BET THIS IS ALL HIS DOING)(just to weblink his name to an article on bunking off skool)(chiz)
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Scarlet…..
Thank you for pointing out the error of my ways, Dot. Duly noted.
Perhaps you should consider becoming a teacher?
After all, they do say that those who can’t do (or in your case, contribute anything valid to a debate), teach.
Even more irony, many thanks………
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Tiffany:
Your headteacher is absolutely aware of these events taking place.
I would be very interested to hear your parents opinion on this. Perhaps you could point her to this thread?
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@Tiffany
So Tiffany, will you be collecting for Haiti in your school uniform outside M&S L’Islet on Saturday?
What a fantastic opportunity that would be to gain back some sort of respect, as you don’t seem to have that much according to this thread.
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@Ben
Yes I was a teen once but the huge difference is………..I had respect for my teachers and elders – not like the large majority of teens / youths today. When I was at school there were rules which we all had to abide by and if they were broken we took the punishment (usually the cain or detention after school) and my parents and many other parents backed the techers actions and never made a complaint against the teacher or school dishing out the punishment. For Gods sake let’s ban hoodies too !!!!
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I don’t know why, but reading this story http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8484116.stm reminded me of TiffanyMuftiGate…
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Tiffany – Yes, you have been caught out, you’ve changed your story so many times you don’t know what is truth and what is fiction.
You were told by school it was a ‘trainer’ day but decided to dare people to go in mufti to wind up Miss Tetlaw. You said in the press that ‘we are in the right’ when clearly you weren’t. It then came to light that you had fueled the whole thing via Facebook. No doubt your going to start saying ‘it was the Press that was wrong’ even though you and dumb mates called them in the first place!
Whatever you write or say is another tale to cover up the last one.
GG – You would still get this with male headteachers because these kids
have no respect for anyone, male or female.
Some of the tripe you’ve written on this forum beggers belief really.
Half-Term every 2 weeks! – I wish I was still at school!!!!
What if there was a fire at the school?! – They would get out of the fire exits all around the school, you know, the ones marked FIRE EXIT.
The States should donate money! – They did £50k
Many of the island schools had a mufti day. – No they didn’t.
You seem to have forgotten the pupils who did not wear trainers but who decided to gave money anyway. I don’t think the money was forced out of them, do you?
And you had the nerve to say the ‘Yoof of today’ had more knowledge than the old gits!
If you left school already then try going to a few classes at the College of FE. It’s never too late!!!!!
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When I was a kid if you broke the school rules depending on the seriousness of your actions you got the slipper or the cane. I wonder if these kids would have tried to push their luck if these punishments were still enforced?!
Can’t remember when it was abolished but respect went along with it.
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Fair play to Tiffany for putting herself forward on this website to defend herself – regardless of whether anybody thinks she was right or wrong, she believes she was in the right and is sticking to her guns and by commenting on this forum is willing to take the flak for it.
Her facebook page might suggest she isn’t a little angel but she is prepared to stand up for herself….she just needs to make sure she channels this properly!
And good luck with collecting money at M&S tomorrow, but just be aware you might get a lot of stick from people and how you react to that will be how people judge you from now on.
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Well, it’s so good to see that Tifaneee has decided to put something back into the system that she was recently involved in trying to disrupt.
Follow this link to see her attempting to assist other students in seeing the error of their ways….well done, Tifaneee!
http://vodpod.com/watch/743744-little-britain-vicky-pollard-on-school-visit
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Give the girl a break she’s, what, all of 16?
This is starting to smack of cyber bullying.
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This whole “Mufti” thing is just the tip of the iceberg. What we have here is a small group of badly-behaved children who have been revolting against the school authorities for some time. It seems that the headteacher has been unable to deal with these people and so has had to involve the Education Department and the police. If so, these children should be ashamed of themselves. They should just get back to school, obey the school rules and get on with their education.
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yes tiffany called the press because the school is out of order i was at the school that day and there was more than 20 students in mufty also the fact that still today the school keeps all the doors looked so students cant get in or out. tiffany is aloud to express her feeling and say her own opinion. saying how immature the students are you wanna look in the mirror and read all the comments and realise how immature you lot are! grow up
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My mum has seen this and she checks it everyday, Also why do i need respect from people i dont know i have respect for myself and respect for those who dererve it. I know what happened on the day of this event i think i know what happened. Yes i have been punished but i still think i was in the right and if i was put in the same situation i would do it again.
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Tiffany – out of interest, which bit do you think you were “in the right about”? Do you mean the part before you were refused entry to the school or after?
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Neil, this certainly isn’t cyber bullying. Yes some have gone too far, but cyber bullying it isn’t. When I was younger and I did something wrong I had to deal with the consequences. This comments page is the consequence of phoning the Press.
I think it’s good that several of the students are having a say on the story. Unfortunately they were always going to be shot to pieces because they are still very naive and ignorant of the real issues, something many (including me) can admit to being at that age.
I also think many of the anti (Miss) Tetlaw/Pro Mufti posts speak for themselves, as in poor spelling, grammar, punctuation and misguided opinions.
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I’ve been reading the outfall from this article with interest and not commented as yet. But now’s my time.
I live close by to Tiffanny and many of the other kids at St Sampson’s School and I see their behaviour all the time.
Tiffanny says that she gets in trouble at school and its between her and Education – well it’s not. It’s affecting other children in her classes as well. Just like this incident did.
Just like around here. Her behaviour affects all of us. I know that the Police have been called by her own mother because of her actions.
I’m not surprised Mrs Tetlaw had to do this with some the children at her school (I know others who live by me who are very polite young people).
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@Blue, I’d just like to take the time to respond to your comment.
GG – You would still get this with male headteachers because these kids
have no respect for anyone, male or female.
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Sorry, but I really do disagree with you here, teachers and adults need to give respect too, which they don’t. E.g your post.
Some of the tripe you’ve written on this forum beggers belief really.
Half-Term every 2 weeks! – I wish I was still at school!!!!
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I said we had half-terms every couple of weeks, couple being 6-8, not 2.
What if there was a fire at the school?! – They would get out of the fire exits all around the school, you know, the ones marked FIRE EXIT.
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One of the main fire exits in any building is the front doors.
The States should donate money! – They did £50k
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Good on them, we don’t have a black hole, not in a recession either.
Many of the island schools had a mufti day. – No they didn’t.
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Which schools didn’t? AFAI nearly all did.
You seem to have forgotten the pupils who did not wear trainers but who decided to gave money anyway. I don’t think the money was forced out of them, do you?
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Money is forced out of students, at many schools the rules are “Bring money, or wear school uniform”.
And you had the nerve to say the ‘Yoof of today’ had more knowledge than the old gits!
If you left school already then try going to a few classes at the College of FE. It’s never too late!!!!!
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I’m still in full-time education, thanks for the offer. I hear they have one coming up shortly – English Language and Literature GCSE, might be useful for you and others.
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Neil:
This is not cyber bullying at all (I’m surprised you can’t see that). This is a group of people telling a young lady who happens to be 16 that, in their opinion, she was wrong to behave in the way she did.
By the way, Tiffany, all the facts considered, you were wrong to behave the way you did.
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As a parent who witnessed the demonstration before the police arrived I would like to share my view of the situation. There was a group of students outside the school having been prevented from entering the school I assumed at the time as the outer door had to be unlocked to allow my exit. At the same time a teacher approached the group and asked them to leave the premises for two reasons. One was to change their clothes to comply with the agreed attire for the day and for a number of the students because they were smoking. The teacher had to contend with some verbal abuse. This may have been the way some of these students speak normally but it certainly not appropriate.
Following the subsequent reports with the police being called. I can understand this for the following reason. The staff would unlikely forcibly remove the students as they would no doubt be charged with assault, therefore the only option was to call the police.
What the students must understand is that the Island wide mufti day wasn’t a required event. Businesses and schools choose to raise money or not in a number of ways. In this instance Baubigny schools choose to allow trainers for a donation of £1. If the students were unhappy about this they should asked for a change ahead of the day. If this was unsuccessful then they should have abided by the agreed change in dress code.
It is unfortunate that young adults as the school likes to call teenagers are too used to getting their own way at home, that they don’t like it when they are told no.
The learning point for these students and they may not like it, is that as a democracy there will always be rules that you have to abide by.
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Can i just say people,
The parents were phoned and made to bring in uniform and if not could they have permission to go home and get changed but these people started causing trouble outside of school and there was a police constable on duty it took it into his own hands..
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I personally believe this is just stupid.
Tiffany has done it YET again.. WELL DONE. O.o
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Bogart im not a lefty what im implying is that our State schooling system is run poorly.
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Organised and systematic bullying, setting off the fire alarms, smoking “legal highs” in the toilets, disrespecting teachers, threatening teachers, telling lies about alleged “assaults” by teachers, vandalism against the school property, smuggling in children who are not pupils at the school. All these things have become part of the daily behaviours of some children at this school. The Education Department needs to get in there and sort the whole thing out.
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Andy, by what measure are the States schools poorly run?? You get out what you put in. I’m a product of the States schools and I’m doing very nicely thank you. Tiffany Fallaize and friends, on the other hand, can look forward to a rewarding career behind the counter at the Ribshack or appearing on Jeremy Kyle.
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Andy.
Good to hear that you are not a lefty and I agree with you on your latest post.
However, I think you have to admit that your earler post was wide open to misinterpretation.
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http://www.education.gg/gg/custom/files_uploaded/uploaded_resources/5444/St_Sampson‘s_High.pdf
I lol’d.
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Good on you student bob i totally agree.
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“were not bad kids” – Tiffany Fallaize
“yes you are” – Me
Miss Tetlaw is a perfectly good headteacher and Tiffany Fallaize lead a bunch of students into trouble. I read what she put on facebook and she was the cause of everything. I’ll end the comment with another quote
“if people dont wear mufty tomo im going to personly hit you pussy’s” – Tiffany Fallaize
That quote sumsit up quite nicely ;)
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I personally think that the pupils were out of order for wearing mufti when they knew it was a ‘trainer’ day however Its hardly crime of the century. They are obviously teenage kids – rebelling!
I would like to think that the parents have punished their children with regards to their behaviour that day as they see fit.
There seems to be a lot of comments regarding Tiffany, but she was not the only student that wore ‘mufti’ and each should be held responsible for their own actions.
I would like to point out that regardless of what you may think of Tiffany, or her behaviour, she had arranged PRIOR to this incident to collect money for ARC in her own time.
(how many teenagers do you see doing this?)
Even after all the negative press she still went out and raised over £450 for the ARC appeal.
I was at M&S yesterday and saw Tiffany collecting for the appeal and from what I saw she was very polite.
Credit where Credit is due.
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!i can honestly say i feel it was an over reaction caused simply because it was pre planned. They werent hurting anybody and kicking them out of school caused alot more disruption and bad press than if theyd just left them to it, However, the comment about the school being run like a prison is very accurate, esp since they moved by one. If the children leave schol lunchtimes they are locked out, likewise children staying are locked in and the doors are not opened for anyone until about 5 mins before the bell rings. Most of the children say the school feels like an institution and alot of parents and teachers agree,in fact alot of the teachers who were there when they moved into the new school have since left. Its the same with the body piercings etc issues, some get punished for having them yet others who blatently parade theirs around hve nothing said. Thats just sending mixed messages,one rule for some, none for others! there’s no consistancy but since when when has wearing casual clothes, having dyed hair or piercings affected anyones ability to learn? it doesn’t, yet instead of concentrating on the real issues concerning education,, st sampsons and other schools just seem to look for more and more ways to totaly repress our children. Now please dont get me wrong, thre is now a lack of respect for teachers now and i agree that when they stopped caning etc it didnt help but teachers have to realise that people, regardless of who they are, have to earn respect and not demand it just because of what their job is.
So come on St. Sampsons and all the other schools, please, stop nit picking, worry about the important things and the little things then tend to take care of themselfs. The more you make an issue of something the more of an issue it becomes. Mole hills into mountains and this is a classic example
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okay you have a poitn just cause of texts and facebook dosent mean its true, but also posted ont he site is an offical link to the site for children to have an island wide mufty.
apart from that i’ve said my bit.
everyone has a mixed opinions on this and it has gone way out of the window.
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