Why ‘people’s hospice’ needs your help
Tuesday 2nd February 2010, 2:30PM GMT.
Andrew Mitchell House. An appeal is launched today to raise £3m. to redevelop the property.
LES BOURGS is today launching a major funding appeal to raise more than £3m.
Planning permission to redevelop the hospice has been given the go-ahead and the money is needed to complete a project that is expected to take about 17 months.
The total estimated cost of the redevelopment programme is £5m. and, with £2m. already raised, work could start in April.
Les Bourgs board of governors chairman Jurat Mike Tanguy said it was very exciting to be in the position where work could start.
A function will be held tonight which Jurat Tanguy said was intended to recognise the support Les Bourgs had received during the past 20 years.
That had enabled it to serve the community with the highest standards – and without charging.
‘The appeal is to extend funding beyond the day-to-day operational requirements of the hospice in order to improve facilities for those it serves,’ said Jurat Tanguy.
Cenkos Channel Islands Ltd and the Channel Islands Stock Exchange will sponsor the reception, at Les Cotils.
Richard Digard, editor of the Guernsey Press, the appeal’s media partner, said the newspaper was delighted to back such a worthy cause.
‘Les Bourgs Hospice holds a very special place at the heart of our community,’ he said.
‘It offers vital support to families and patients at a time when they need it most. As the island’s community newspaper we want to do all we can to get its important message out there and help make Rebuilding Les Bourgs another fund-raising success story.’
Various ways in which people can give financial support to the project are being offered and tax arrangements introduced last month mean gifts can be worth 25% more to the hospice than the sum the benefactor pays.
Cheques should be made payable to Les Bourgs Hospice Redevelopment Fund, for which an account is held at NatWest Guernsey.
The hospice currently costs about £2,000 per day to run.
- Click here to download the appeal form in PDF format.
- Further information is available at www.lesbourgs.com
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By the looks of the above photograph I think islanders feeling charitable would be well advised to help out the Haiti victims first.
Many need so much more than fanciful extensions & improvements. This is not life or death. So give wisely!
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The problem Joe Public is faced with these days is that there are innumerable charities trying to tug on our heart-strings to part with our money.
I can therefore appreciate where Paul is coming from and, although I personally would agree with him, I’m aware others will disagree. That is why my personal opinion is that, since we can’t give to them all, each individual should decide in their own mind which charities they will give to, without any feeling of compunction or trying to claim the moral high ground with their choices.
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Paul – maybe not life OR death, but it is something that will directly assist the dignified passing of our own nearest and dearest.
It is not for you to say that one person’s cause is any less deserving than another.
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Paul
Your comment disgusts me.
Much as I sympathise with the situation in Haiti, there are hundreds of millions being pumped into that country. I will always donate locally.
Lets hope neither you or any member of your family ever need our local hospice
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I don’t think that wanting to make a member of our own community’s life as comfortable as possible when they are severely ill is something that I would class as ‘fanciful’ Paul.
Having seen the brilliant work that the hopsice already does, I wish them all the luck in completing the project so that even more people can benefit in the future from their care.
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@Paul
Based on your argument we could never raise money for local causes, as I’m sure there are always others in a needier position. Also you are basing your assumptions on the small picture featured here.
And sorry but “fanciful”, really? This is where people go to die.
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I think local charities deserve much more support than others, IMO I’d rather give more to a local charity.
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Les Bourgs is one of the finest charities I’ve ever come across. The people, the ethos, the concept.
Another lottery? I’d buy a ticket.
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After recently experiencing 1st hand the amazing standard of care and the utmost professionalism and friendliness of the staff at Les Bourgs I have no hesitation in supporting their efforts to improve the facilities. I agree that there are many many charities out there both local and global all vying for donations and finding it harder and harder to get funds every day, but I believe you should donate to who you want to or to whatever charity strikes a chord in your heart.
Paul I think your comment was a bit harsh, it IS about life and death. I watched my mother die recently of cancer and the time she spent in Les Bourgs I will never forget. The staff are fantastic nothing too much trouble, they take care of all the medical and practical side of things, therefore allowing you do deal better with the emotional side and to just spend the time you have left being together as a family. The building is lovely very much home from home but impractical in many areas, such as 3 people often of mixed sex being in one bay, stairs to get to toilets etc , a very small day room and not a lot of privacy. Having said that I cannot fault the level of care and attention that my mother recieved and I will be eternally grateful that they made her last days so happy and peaceful. Think on people, you never know what is around the corner in life and one day you or your children, grandchildren may be glad that we spent the money now to improve the facilites.
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We should think local before overseas. Les Bourgs do a excellent job and deserve every penny.
As for you paul your comment disgusts me.
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It is my understanding that The States pays nothing towards this Hospice which costs £2000 a day to run.
It has recently been reported that £1 Million has been wasted in 8 years on unused child care places, some £500 per working day. I’m sure, dear reader, you know what I’m saying?
Paul – I trust you have written to the Trustees of Les Bourgs instructing them never to admit no matter how advanced and excruciating your cancer may be? Please confirm.
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People are disgusted with my above comment. So what. &?
What is actually disgusting is many of your comments. The quality of life experienced by those that stay in the hospice, as it now stands, compared to what the people of Haiti are having to endure.
Now that is a real disgusting comparison. So think before you criticise in future thank you very much.
Things may not be perfect. They rarely are. Take time to see how much difference ones donation is going to make. Before donating is all I’m saying.
If you easily shocked & offended verbal do-gooders are this easily disgusted. My advice is get out more.
Many of you would be mortified with a trip to Haiti. The monsoon season is rapidly approaching them. So it is a case or real need. Not things could be better. Greed.
Before others feel this is an opportune time to throw their few cents worth into the mix. I am not knocking this charity in the slightest. I am saying there is much more deserving & needy worth considering first.
All donations are at a premium at the moment so think about it wisely. Would any of you rather know your £10 donation was going towards the purchase of luxury LCD TV’s for day rooms & extensions. Would you rather know that it was keeping a number of people alive with medical supplies & clean drinking water?
Get some perspective then!
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this is an emotive subject for sure but coco your way off the mark. You will be delighted to know that we give just about the least of any developed country in the world in overseas aid, not something to be proud of.
Of course the hospice should have the support of all of us as the staff there do an amazing job but lets keep overseas aid and support for the hospice seperate.
The fact that the public have to fund the hospice is not something our illustrious states of deliberation should be proud of either.
Needless to say I’ll be supporting the hospice too as will many others I hope.
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I think my point has been proved by these comments!
Why is it “disgusting” to have a different opinion of where to donate money? What an over-reaction! There are so many admirable causes (of which Les Bourgs and Haiti are both examples) that equally deserve support. Some people choose to donate locally, some overseas….what’s the problem? Neither makes you any better than your neighbour.
Surely everyone is entitled to their own opinion about where their money should go. Paul was merely giving his opinion on that – in fact the only part of his post I disagree with was that it would appear he was trying to convince others to do the same….
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Doug
So you are an internet based telepathic diagnostic doctor are you?
Keep inside the criteria.
Geez!
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Paul
you are a sick person.I wander if you would make those comments in person
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Coco
No problem at all. I always speak my mind whatever the topic. Regardless of who it is with. So your point is exactly?
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@Paul
Please address my post. Your point (in trying to persuade people to donate to Haiti) is that there is always someone worse off, so we should give to them? It seems unfair that when a charity publicises their need for help you jump in and mention a humanitarian disaster that you know everyone is fully aware of.
“Before others feel this is an opportune time to throw their few cents worth into the mix. I am not knocking this charity in the slightest. I am saying there is much more deserving & needy worth considering first.”
You can always find someone more deserving!
I have to say though, I am neither ‘disgusted’ or believe you to be a ‘sick person’, I just disagree with your posts.
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my point is you are a not so nice person who knows jack ****
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Paul Le Page – “Surely everyone is entitled to their own opinion about where their money should go. Paul was merely giving his opinion on that – in fact the only part of his post I disagree with was that it would appear he was trying to convince others to do the same….”
I don’t disagree that Paul is free to choose which charity he wants to donate to. Some feel a connection with cancer charities, others with animal charities. Many of us on this island feel a connection with Les Bourgs because we know people who are, or have been, looked after there.
But the reason for the indignation shown by some is not that Paul chooses to support Haiti in preference to Les Bourgs, but that he saw fit to post something with the sole object to telling everyone that Les Bourgs was not a worthy cause. The whole point of Paul’s post was to denigrate the appeal by Les Bourgs as “fanciful” and not worthy.
If that is his view, then he is entitled to it. But to post that comment in relation to an article about Les Bourgs, which has nothing to do with Haiti, was insensitive in the extreme.
The fact that Les Bourgs is raising money does not mean that people should not give to Haiti. The fact that hundreds of thousands of people need help in Haiti does not lessen the needs of Les Bourgs.
Unfortunately Paul’s later responses do nothing to remove the impression of a rather calous individual who cannot recognise that hurt close to home is always felt more deeply.
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Coco
You are the one who is coming accross as a real nasty piece of work on this forum. Why is paul a sick person for preferring to donate to save lives rather than a building renovation??
Paul obviously feels very strongly about the Haiti disaster, and this is where he would choose to give a donation.
We westerners have a very privileged lifestyle, especially in Guernsey where the standard of living is about as good as it gets. That said the amount of ignorance on this thread astounds me.
Give local is all well and good, charity begins at home and all that but those phrases are for people who dont want to think about how truly awful some peoples living conditions are.
Say you have £1 to give, do you give it to les bourgs to (lets not forget) redevelop a property, or do you give it to a poorer country, where your £1 could revolutionise someones life??
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I’m with Paul absolutley 100%, in that the degree of suffering that we are invited to alleviate is relative. Coco is the best example of an insular, inward looking islander, whose idea of charity begins and ends with the local neighbourhood because ignorance, fear and the resulting disgust of the ‘other’, outside their back-yard, all breed insecurity to an encircled-wagons extent. But, is it not easy … give to both?
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Now come on everyone be sensible about this. My dear Mum died in the hospice and it was fantastic,a blessing for her and also for me as I was trying my best to look after her, the hospice is and I am sure will continue to be the caring place it is, but that is not to say it is the only deserving charity, all the charities have their place and I am sure we all have our favourites, but when an appeal is launched for money to build a new hospice it is not the time or place to start having an argument about which charity deserves more. If you dont want to give, well dont give – end of. I think the hospice does a fantastic job, but I still give to other charities as well.There is enough money swishing around this island for us to dig deep and give our fair share to whom we choose. But believe me if any of you or your family need the hospice, you will appreciate the good work that is being achieved for the island.
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Let’s hope Paul never has to stay in Les Bourg’s then. When it’s so full, he’ll be the one complaining “Where’s me flat screen”.
In all seriousness, donating to Les Bourg’s hospice may just help some of us, donating to Haiti won’t actually help any of us. So yes, I’d rather donate to Les Bourg’s Hospice, where they will get an extension and some “Flat screens”, much rather than Haiti, who I’ve already donated to.
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@ Paul
I’m certainly not a doctor and don’t suggest you have a malaise at present. However, can you guarantee that you’ll never need the services of a hospice?
Therefore, as you have counselled against giving to this cause will you kindly confirm that you won’t ever avail yourself of it?
Quite how you think this is beyond the criteria is beyond me.
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Wow
Nothing emphasises Guernsey’s horrible “I’m alright Jack” attitude more than this thread.
Only give to charities that you may need or personally benefit from. Laughable,
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Emelianeko – whilst one or two of the posts do churn out the “charity begins at home” line, I think that you will find that most of the posts above are not dismissing giving to charities helping Haiti (or anywhere else), just questioning the thinking of someone that argued, without any prompting or reason, that a deserving charity was not, in fact, deserving.
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Emelianeko Fedor – You took the words out of my mouth!
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TL in response to your post: “he saw fit to post something with the sole object to telling everyone that Les Bourgs was not a worthy cause”
I don’t read that into Paul’s writings at all. In fact one of his posts states that he’s not knocking Les Bourgs at all. All he is saying is that in his opinion, their are worthier causes to support.
OK, so he could have worded it slightly differently bearing in mind the emotive nature of the subject, but that doesn’t make him callous, sick, disgusting or anything of the sort.
Incidentally, coco – your last post contributes jack **** to this discussion. What a narrow minded attitude to think that someone (who you probably have never met) who cares about the suffering of people in Haiti is an unpleasant ignorant person simply because they have different priorities to you.
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Paul Le Page
The fact that he later said that he was not knocking Les Bourgs does not change the fact that he dismissed their needs as “fanciful” and advised people to donate elsewhere.
I am not one of the ones that find him sick or who is disgusted, but I do find it callous to say to people who may well have loved ones in that hospice or who cannot get in for lack of space, that the islanders generally should not contribute to its improvement.
We are all free to spend our money as we wish and there was no need for the original post.
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Paul Le Page, very well said that man
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There are so many worthwhile causes to donate to and I really don’t think it should become a slanging match as to which we personally choose to support.
Having worked in the hospice as a atudent nurse and observed the amazing care that was given to my great grandmother at Les Bourgs in her last days, I have to say, the care is second to none. Everybody hopes for a death with dignity (for themselves or for their relatives) and that is certainly what Les Bourgs provides but it could be even better. The layout hasn’t changed since the inception and a mixed sex bay isn’t really the best environment for the dying or seriously ill and their relatives to be in. People want and deserve privacy in which to say their goodbyes.
I now live and work in the NHS and by goodness, what a difference there is….Islanders should be proud of having a facility such as Les Bourgs – and it’s not just about terminal care but respite care as well. Everybody should be given the option of a dignified death but that happens for so very few – Les Bourgs is able to provide this and I think they should be supported. But there will always be so many causes to support – and most of us choose by what has affected us most directly. Whatever we personally choose to support, we shouldn’t denegrate the choices of others.
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Marie’s post commenting on the interior layout leads me to wonder if £5 million would be better spent on a completely new building with larger grounds and a better position away from the road,rather than altering what appears to be a restricted site. A lot of the money was to purchase the extra land I believe. I am guessing that the Mitchells would want the original building to stay but it’s just a thought.
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TL – although I don’t agree, you make your case well and I can see your point.
Nevertheless, the huge overreaction to Paul’s posting (disgusted, sickens etc.) beggars belief. It’s not like he was calling for the closure of Les Bourgs.
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COME ON PEOPLE!!
Let’s get a grip on ourselves in this thread and find common ground here even if we can’t find it anywhere else.
There are many, many charities that need us to be generous. Haiti, and Les Bourgs are just two of them.
We should be working out ways in which to help these charities, not arguing about which one we think needs it most, or squabbling about whether we do or don’t like the way in which someone has expressed a preference.
Please, all of you use your time on this post to go to:
http://appeal.gg/appeal.aspx?appealid=2 to donate to Les Bourgs, or
http://appeal.gg/appeal.aspx?appealid=51 to donate to Haiti.
If you want more choice, look at:
http://appeal.gg/ to choose your charity
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Thanks Truth Man! You have shown us the way, and the way is good. We have been blinded by our rage for Paul, but now we see the light. Let us work together…
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First time I’ve ever commented on anything but reading this just made me see red. Will you all just get a grip please! The sheer idiocy of some comments astounds me as does the lack of humanity.
If you want to contribute to Les Bourgs, do so. If you would prefer to contribute to Haiti, do so. If you have the means, then contribute to both. It’s not rocket science and frankly, thank God it isn’t or we’d still be waiting to go to the moon!
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Emelianeko Fedor
What rubbish,
Another one who reads a couple of posts and thinks its a Guernsey attitude,
Why dont you read the majority of the post and think again.
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bcb
Whats the matter?? Truth Hurts does it???
I read the whole thread thank you, and I am apalled at the general opinion on here, which is “I’m alright jack”, typical of Guerns!!
Of course denial of your attitude is easier, just as its easy to turn over when the you see hardship in “some other country”.
Try reading through the thread again yourself, the genral concensus is anger at the fact that these pesky foreigners keep asking for our money.
“Damn them and their horrific living conditions and lack of clean water, who are they to get our money”….. “wife, where is my steak??”
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Emelianeko Fedor
Well i suppose it would hurt if what you say was true. Actually i`m all for giving to Haiti so your wrong on that assumption too.
Yoy say
Of course denial of your attitude is easier, just as its easy to turn over when the you see hardship in “some other country”.
Please show me where i posted anything even remotley close to what you suggest above?. Again asumtions
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Your “I’m alright jack”, typical of Guerns!! statement is nothing more than pathetic, based on what? a few posts? maybe a few idiots in the pub? will you not find that attitude anywhere in the world to some degree?.
Maybe your one of the anti Guern brigade? whenever someone says something which dosen`t fit in it becomes a Guernsey attutude.
And how do you know these people with these attitudes are Guerns anyway?.
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40 article comments, hardly representative of the population of Guernsey. Emelianeko Fedor, what are you so bitter about, what has happened?
There must be some reason for you to imply Guernsey folk are ignorant, selfish and domineering towards their wives?
And perhaps as a non-local you could shed some light on your efforts to help your fellow man (internationally, of course).
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bcb
Read the thread again, and read my post again.
And its not a few idiots in the pub either, wherever you go on this is island there is a very low tolerance level towards other people, if you are a different colour or obviously “not local” that tolerance level drops even further.
This thread is a good example of this insular attitude.
And I lump you in on that not only because of your comments on this, but your comments on other subjects too. And it comes as no surprise that you of all people are the one to take offence!
Please see the post by Steven 8 Jan 9.43
http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2010/01/05/traffic-hit-as-snow-strikes/
I observed something very similar on Braye road a few years ago when a Nipper had a bad crash on his Moped, I counted at least 10 cars who just drove around him (he was lying on his back in the middle of the road).
Guernsey is the only place I can think of where these 2 incidents would happen, even in New York I’ve seen car drivers get out to help fallen cyclists.
And here you go with the “anti-guern brigade”, nonsense that people seem to spout with regularity. Whenever you hear something you dont like its because who said it is clearly “Anti-Guernsey” rather than someone who has a valid opinion.
Perhaps if you werent so paranoid……
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The only thing that worries me slightly regarding fund-raising for this charity is that I understand Les Bourgs have their own charitable foundation where they give money away to other charities. Anyone got a comment or clarification on this please? It seems rather nonsensical.
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Dean
Can I just ask you a question.
Why do you assume I am not local??
I fear you may have just proved my point for me.
I’m guernsey born and bred, just well travelled, and well placed to judge Local attitudes.
My user name was chosen for the reason you have highlighted.
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Emelianeko Fedor is Russian I believe, so I think it was fair to assume, along with your generalisation that all Guernsey people are selfish and ignorant, that you were not born in Guernsey.
Yes perhaps you have caught me out, through the tone of your postings I did assume you were not originally from Guernsey. But remember I have not judged, only you have done that. And I don’t think you have the right to judge people because you have travelled a bit, and saw someone fall off a scooter once.
Of course you can judge peoples comments on this page, but don’t generalise the population of Guernsey by them.
And it’s spelt ‘Emelianenko’ isn’t it?
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Dean
Many thanks for your correction on how to spell my fake name, I see Google is alive and well in your house;)
Please credit me with some intelligence, I have not based an entire opinion on a couple of scooter events, but alas, I am a busy Russian…..lol…. and I do not have time to list every time I see an act of disregard towards a fellow man (or woman, discriminate I do not) and I certainly do not have time to write them on here, nor would the poor moderator appreciate that either.
Also I am not judging, I am giving my opinion based on observation, if it comes across as judgemental, then it only reflects the severity of my observations.
We shall agree to disagree methinks, I admire your stance but I invite you to extend your consciousness out from yourself and take in your surroundings; you may be surprised at what you see.
Guernsey is not all bad, the fishing is great.
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Emelianeko Fedor, OK we shall agree to disagree, but please don’t belittle my opinions and the experiences they are based upon. You know nothing about me, but you think that because we disagree it is ME who needs to open my eyes.
Kind or arrogant. And yes the fishing is excellent.
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Kind or Arrogant?
I’m most definately Kind.
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Fedor Emelianeko
You have just proved to me that you dont really have much idea of what you are talking about mate.
You see i am well travelled too and your (try haveing a diff opinion with an aussie for example, they`ll soon tell you were to go) suggestion that we seem unwilling to help others where just about any other counrty would not act this way is just lieing in the extreme.
My wife and child are from another country and both feel that most of the locals and uk people are very polite.
Yes i do get anoyed at people branding a population being a certain way because of a few opinions or the acts of a few.
I have many friends on this island and to be honest i dont know where they are all from, but i dont assume (as you do) that they must be local just because of certain ways they act or because of their opinions. How many of those in the cars that passed you by where local then?
And yes there is an “anti Guersey brigade” also an anti “if your not Guernsey brigade” and i have no time for either groups.
Do you watch the news stories? look at the uk and many other countries, If that same poor soul was laying in the road they`d probaly get robbed or laughed at if they weren`t local so please spare us the bull that wer`e an Island full of “wer`e all right jacks”.
I have never put down any nationalities on here (maybe individual acts, but thats nothing to do with where they are from) so i dont know what your talking about when you mention my other posts.
And regarding Stevens post, Did he mention where those drivers were from? what colour they were?
No he didn`t but you assume they were locals?
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And here was me thinking that Emelianeko Fedor might be a track by the Cardiacs. Just shows that one shouldn’t make wild assumptions (Arnald & Fast Robert take note).
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damn it.
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This is all getting a little out of hand..TIT 4 TAT ….. just give to whatever chrity that feels right to you. i am giving money to les B because that is what i want to do.
oh and by the way i give to animal and chidren charitys which is taken out of my bnk each month.
I am sure you all do the same
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Emlianeko Fedor
I do take exception to your categorisation of Guernsey people. We have travelled, worked and emigrated all over the world and most of us have overseas connections.
While Kevin is correct that the States are stingy with overseas aid (and also to local charities)the public are well known to be exceptionally generous. There are hundreds of registered charities in Guernsey – the majority for non local causes. The Press frequently reports that Guernsey branches of a charity have raised more than any other group in Britain. e.g Action Aid
Logically Paul is correct. Donations go a lot further in the Third World and can help a greater number of people. But my late aunt enjoyed a stay at Les Bourgs where she was lovingly tended and I have to be thankful the hospice exists and I will always support it.
The lifeboat, cliff rescue, air search etc all come at a high cost but to the people they save and their friends and families it is worth every penny. So give to all.
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Sheila
Sorry I think you have mistaken my posts, I was giving my opinion that(the average)guerns are insular, and to a large extent only bothered about themselves, this clearly doesnt apply to the odd bit of philanthropy from some of our rich inhabitants that distorts the figures.
However, “give to all” is a fantastic sentiment.
bcb
What garbage!! Do you proof-read what you type before you post??
The aussies, albeit forthright are a very good natured people who accept all as equals, we could learn a lot from them.
When mentioning your wife why have you grouped UK people in with Guernsey?? I havent at any point, so why have you?? People on here(sometimes at xenophobic lenghth) love to stress that we are not part of the UK (observe any thread where Dave Jones does something unpopular). So why on a topic criticizing locals is it ok to suddenly group us and the U.K together????
My observations are based more on the acts of the few, else I wouldnt have posted them on a public forum. Your self-righteous overly agressive leap to defend whilst point blank refusing to entertain the notion just confirms it for me, you dont think, you leap, which is part of the problem.
As to your last point, *sigh*, “its them non-locals coming over here and being nasty to us guerns”.
More proof……
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I forgot to add
The fishing is Great!
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“The only thing that worries me slightly regarding fund-raising for this charity is that I understand Les Bourgs have their own charitable foundation where they give money away to other charities. Anyone got a comment or clarification on this please? It seems rather nonsensical.” No one has responded to this and yet how can a charity ask for money and the give it away to other charities?
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Emilianeko,
No it is not donations from the rich skewing the figures. Action Aid whom I quoted raise money through collecting outside supermarkets, coffee mornings, charity shop, concerts and various other events. Just ordinary people working to help provide materials and expertise to build schools, bridges, dig wells, provide seed and generally help people to improve their lives. I like this charity because they ask people what they need and work with them at grassroots level.
Every charity needs more active volunteers but as I said there are hundreds in Guernsey so most of us are doing something and some are putting an incredible amount of time, effort and money into it.
Queenbee
I don’t have a definitive answer but I do know that charities giving donations to other charities is against the rules.
The W.I. had a problem with this a few years ago as we were told we were not allowed to buy a poppy wreath to lay on Rememberance Day using WI funds. We got around this by using proceeds from the raffle and I believe that the rule was later officially relaxed. I don’t think Les Bourgs would be allowed to make donations to other charities except in very special circumstances.
You may be confused with Friends of Les Bourgs who are a seperate charity concentrating on fundraising for Les Bourgs.
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wow, Emelianeko, you really do have a chip on that shoulder about something. try to chill a little.
you attack bcb for daring to mention that he and his wife are foreign but happens to find people in Guernsey “and the UK” (yes, he knows the distinction) agreeable. He is not from either. It is very difficult to tell whether someone is from Guernsey for 5 generations, or from the UK. So he considers them together. Perfectly reasonable.
you are willing to generalise about “Guerns” negatively (and do you know the origin of everyone?), but say that Aussies are good natured. I suggest that you have not been to many communities in Australia off the beaten track – where insular and racist attitudes are common. I love Australia and like most Australians but to say that Aussies are all “good natured and accept all as equals” is nonsensical. No country is comprised of uniform individuals.
And then with your last paragraph you cite bcb’s attempt to defend your unfounded accusation as being more proof of an insular attitude to foreigners. It was nothing of the sort, he was simply pointing out that you did not know whether the drivers were local or non-local, and so your use of that example to attack local attitudes was unfounded.
You really need to try to comprehend what people are saying rather than reading posts with your own prejudice, launching attacks and making pathetic generalisations.
Small communities always look a little inward, whether they be islands or rural communities. I don’t think that Guernsey is any worse than other similar communities. In many ways a lot of us are global in our attitudes. Your example of drivers passing a fallen scooter rider would have been a daily occurence in my previous home of London. My experience is that people have a much greater consideration of their fellow man (in particular, but not exclusively, the local community) than a lot of other places that I have been or lived.
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Sheila
Action aid is very admirable charity, however in the grand scheme of Guernsey is still a drop in the ocean to what could be acheived if the vast majority of people only looked outside of their “patch of graising land”.
My issue is that the attitude of the many outweighs the good intentions of the few. If more people were like yourself then we wouldnt be having this debate.
You are one of the few, as am I, and I congratulate you on that.
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Emelianeko Fedor
There is good and bad in any country and it`s not confined to just Guernsey and that is the main point.
And dont judge me (like you did with Dean) as you know nothing about me, i have commented on your posts not you as a person and thats the diff between us. I think thats why you put all the Guerns in the same boat? your too judgemental my friend, one cap fits all.
My brother-in-law is an Aussie so i think i know a bit about them, and while i like the Aussie`s believe me SOME (note i say some) of them can have an attitude esp towards the English.
Anyway i`ll leave it there because this is way of topic now
Me agressive? na wrong there i`m affraid mate.
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now now boys calm down…if you guys put as much effert in to raising money for charity as you do arguing .you would make a fortune : )
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Potentially based on personal experience I could say Americans are loud, Italians are lazy or the Irish like to drink. Generalisations yes, acceptable NO.
Emelianenko, out of interest, what percentage of a population must I meet and get to know in order to describe the ‘average’ attitude?
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Dean
good point, how about 5% as that is still i think far more people than most would know at a level where one could make a judgement on?
coco
i`m as cool as a cucumber:) a local one with attitude that is.
Where`s that damn wife with my tea graaaa.
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Where is that damn husband with his wage slip!
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TL
I’m perfectly chilled,
Like I keep saying, but no-one seems to listen through the fog of indignation, the fishing is great, you only need to put some low quality obvious bait into the water, and all the fish come-a-biting.
Quite how the fish dont realise they are being hooked is the most astounding thing about this whole island.
What that says about the IQ of the average Fish I dont know (right, how many winks do I have to put here so that they get the message, hmmmmm I’ll try 5 to start with)
;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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There you are
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It’s not called fishing, it’s referred to as trolling.
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Trolling is a form of fishing Dean.
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I think you mean trawling
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Yes Emelianenko fine.
If anyone is interested in avoiding the sheer humiliation of this happening again, please see http://www.flayme.com/troll/
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Here you go
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(angling)
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LOL-BOYS behave we now know you all have something in commen FISHING..you could all go fishing togeather and catch lots of fish and sell them..then give the money to charity lol
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Dean – I am not convinced that he was originally trolling, more that he used it as an excuse to bail out from the discussion.
EF – not much of a fisherman, me. I find that there are plenty of great things about Guernsey other than fishing ;-)
Giving to whichever charity you blinkin’ well please is one them.
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Yes, we should all be aware of trolling and fishing on unregistered forums such as this.
Another danger are sock puppets, particularly from students with too much time on their hands!!
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Hey, there’s nothing dangerous about my sock puppets. Besides, they’re an educational aid. You try teaching responsible health and nutrition on a paediatric placement. The only thing on my hands were socks with eyes glued on and wool for hair.
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Dot Comma, I completely agree, sock puppetry is is just wrong. I also agree with everything Dean says.
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TL
Dean – I am not convinced that he was originally trolling, more that he used it as an excuse to bail out from the discussion.
Spot on TL my thoughts exactly.
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bcb, TL et al
Think whatever you want to think if it helps you sleep at night.
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