£11.5m. up in smoke and waste solution no closer
Tuesday 23rd March 2010, 2:30PM GMT.
THROWING out two waste strategies has cost taxpayers £11.5m.
Figures for the price of the Suez and Lurgi projects were revealed in a letter from Public Services minister Bernard Flouquet to Deputy Roger Domaille. He wrote to the minister asking for a breakdown of the cost of putting together proposals for the two energy from waste plants.
Deputy Tony Spruce’s requete seeking to reinstate the Suez incinerator proposal will be discussed by the States this week. The plan was thrown out by 21 votes to 20 last month.
The Lurgi proposals were dismissed by the States in 2004 following a requete from Deputy Scott Ogier. In the letter to Deputy Domaille, Deputy Flouquet (pictured) said all the work done on the project before the States pulled out amounted to £6.65m. plus loan interest of £132,394.
‘The vast majority of these costs were prior to September 2004 and applying a reflation factor of 17.9% to this total would give a figure of around £7.8m. as of January 2010,’ he said.
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Throwing out two waste strategies did not waste millions, but voting in the wrong people who made the decisions to go ahead with the idea, did !
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So,
There is a solution on the table costed, that works, heats 2000 homes, minimal impact to our environment or are we going to spend another 6 million trying to come up with a strategy that excludes the approach islands and countries globally are doing
IOM – recycling and incineration works. It will work here also
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Why are WE paying for THEIR proposals?????!?!?!
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Completely agree with you AJ, super comment!
I’d much rather waste £11.5m than be left with this disgust for another 25 years! Bargain if you ask me!
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The fact of the matter is that the Incinerator proposal has been thrown out once. The people have spoken! If we are not careful, we are likely to rush into something that we will all probably regret.
I do not believe that Tony Spruce and the other deputies trying to push this through are acting with the purist of motives.
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For me it beggars belief that you get in experts in their field, give them a brief, get them to put forward a proposal to meet the brief and then states members decide to change the brief. If you agreed the brief in the first place, then can we get lawyers in to sue the pants (not briefs) of every states member who changed the brief for incompetence? Every states department must get approval of their brief’s before employing consultants/lawyers/Accountants at great expense.
Simples
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Interesting…were we ever previously told the cost of the Lurgi aborted contract ? I’m not certain that we were (please correct me if I’m wrong).
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I feel it is time the taxpayers had a breakdown of the exact costings. It would appear as though tendering for works of any nature with the local states is a lucrative venture whatever the outcome.
I was always under the impression that money starts to flow once a successful tender has been accepted.
Mismanagement had once again reared its ugly head with our current elect.
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We have know for ages the costs todate, or estimated costs. Overall figures of arounf £9 million had been mentioned for some time now, so today’s figures are no real surprise. These latest figures have I am sure been massaged to come up with the largest figure they could find down to the last pencil used. They have also added inflation etc.etc.
But these figures are nothing compared with the £93million figure for the incinerator (waste to energy)plus the running costs plus the thousands of tons of toxic bottom ash, for the next 25years.
The £11 odd million already spent which i believe includes the £3.2 million we will have to pay Suez if we vote against the Spruce requete will look like chicken feed to what it will cost this island if we accept Suez.
More than that, we will be moving back into the dark ages of incineration for the next 25 years. The electricity produced, I am informed will be the most expensive electricity ever produced and it would be cheaper to buy the equivilent amount from France.
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If the PSD had done as they were asked originally, which was to source a RESIDUAL Waste system, we would not be in this sorry position and another £4.75million worse off !!
It is simply bad government on their part and I don’t suppose they would have been so careless with their own money.
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PC if you do your homework, you will find it doesn’t actually work in the Isle of Man. The Isle of Man is having to import waste or burn fuel oil to keep their incinerator working effectively. That is running it at a great expense to their population!
I think you will also find that an incinerator in Guernsey would only power a 1,000 homes.
More mis-information from the minority.
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Everything costs extra if you don’t get it right first time
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PC – the question that needs to be answered is why consultants were appointed who were known to only favour incineration. It has also just been brought to my attention that with the current gate fee the income generated at Mont Cuet is 6 million of which I understand the costs of running Mont Cuet is 1 million and the rest goes to Treasury & Resources. Has anyone queried the fact that we will be 5 million short in the general fund if we accept the dreaded incinerator as the gate fee will go to Suez.
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Tendering is stupid bartering is divine!
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People of Guernsey YOU make me largh. You elected your deputies to govern so let them do their job. If you don’t like what there doing for you, then you have the right to vote in some one who can do the job….may be you can!
Look can’t you see what your doing to the island, with all this petit debating, YOU the people of Guernsey are THE ONES THAT ARE WASTING MONEY.
Just like the market, just like the hospital and just like thw airport….You can’t continue like this, make a dicision and stick to it.
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Strange that this should hit the press the day before the debate on the Spruce requette. Or am I just being cynical! It would be interesting to see a break down of where the money when.
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Judy
The shortfall in income has been covered in detail in posts by Jamie under other headings
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John – Totally agree with you.
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John
93.5 million isn`t petty.
Do you have anything of value to add to this “petty” debate?
Pleased to hear we make you laugh though.
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Yet another massive waste of tax payers money by the cowboys in charge.
Why the hell can’t those in charge ever make a decent decision and stick to it! Although I suppose it helps if they can be bothered to turn up to the meetings.
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