Youths accused of ‘intimidating’ shoppers
Tuesday 29th June 2010, 11:00AM BST.
Left to right: Rachael Smith, 17, Taylor Fletcher, 16, Jamie Le Maitre, 17, Giorgi Collier, 18, and Leanne Cross, 18, are some of the young people at the centre of complaints about behaviour in the centre of Town. (Picture by Steve Sarre, 0989699)
YOUNGSTERS hanging around the Town Church are intimidating shoppers, according to businesses in the area.
St Peter Port junior constable Barry Cash said he had received complaints but added that the reason the youngsters were there needed to be looked at.
‘We were all young once and liked to meet with friends,’ he said. ‘But you have to have a reason in life like education or going to work, providing they can find it.’
But those ‘hanging around’ outside the Town Church claim they have nothing to do. The large group said they had been moved from the Sunken Gardens previously and now congregate at the church because it is an easy place to meet.
The group accepted that they could look intimidating but said they were nice people and that tourists often asked them for directions.
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Perhaps the local business’ complaining that these “yoofs” are a pain, could offer them jobs instead of whinging?
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Have they actually done anything wrong at all? Or are they just scapegoats for people’s ignorance?
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They need to buck their ideas up and get a job. These kids all want it handed to them on a plate, and anyone who reads the full story in the Press can see this sentiment. I believe one even used the phrase ‘can’t be bothered’.
They moan about having nothing to do and no job – well do some volunteer work, or see if there is any work experience about. It will keep you out of trouble and looks good on the old CV.
The reason poeple are intimidated is because it’s a large group, that’s to be expected, and this probably can’t be helped. I’m sure many of us unintentionally intimidated others when this age.
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Good comment Auntie GP, but may I go one step further and suggest that these youths (who are all btween 16-18) either attend school or look for jobs themselves?!
Personally, I believe you are more likely to gain employment through being proactive, rather than sitting and waiting. The youngsters may well be pleasant, but sitting on benches all day will get them nowhere very fast.
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Have they actually done anything?
I hardly think they’re scaring away business.
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I’m about as intimidated by these self absorbed, lazy, spoiled, never-heard-the-word-NO, know-the-value-of everything-and-the-worth-of-nothing, iPod-wearing, can’t-string-2-words-together-but-constantly-texting/whilst-mummy-pays-the-bill, will-still-be-living-at-home-when-they’re-25 (as featured in the Press, ’25 year olds complain about lack of affordable housing, still living at home/supported by and having fag lit/offspring looked after by mum an dad), work-shy brats, as I am by the monkeys in the zoo…
and at least the monkeys do something more constructive with their day, like eat bananas and throw poo at people they don’t like the look of.
CI youths, who don’t know how good they’ve got it (try living in one of the inner cities or one of the infamous housing estates featured in documentaries, kiddies, then tell me you’re hard, or hard done by), have ALWAYS been ‘bored’, ever since I was one about a hundred years ago, and eventually, hopefully, get over it.
Hardly any news worthy information here.
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Dean I agree that if they cant find work, then maybe they could volunteer to build a) skills and experience, b) their own confidence and self esteem and c) their chances of getting a job. It would help no end if they can state they did some voluntary work as opposed to making church sq look untidy. I dont think these people (lets face it they are not kids at 17 or 18) are bad, maybe a bit lazy, possibly mis-guided but certainly capable of doing something positive with their lives. Lets hope they take some initiative and do just that.
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Matthew – you make no sense.
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For as long as I can remember old fogeys like myself have been complaining about the behaviour of “kids today”. Most young people are brilliant, funny and work harder at scheool than I ever did.
However – there there are now gangs of youths who really do seem to have lost all sense of respect for anyone else and, yes, they can be intimidating.
BY way of an example – I was on Vazon last Saturday and witnessed a bullet headed cretin throw a case of empty bottles on to rocks at the bottom of the slabs. Broken glass all over the sand where kids play. When callenged one of the gang, who was too drunk to walk straight did, in fairness, try half-heartedly to pick up some of the glass – the rest just laughed and walked off.
Am I being an old fogey in finding this behaviour disgusting or is this just “normal” these days?
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…and by the way, I am waiting for just ONE of you to respond on here, and when you do (and indeed, if you can) perhaps explain WHY your ilk (that means your M8′s in this case) felt the need to remove all the telephone directories from the Church square phone boxes, tear them up, and cover the benches with them, a few weeks ago…?
Thoughtful and intelligent move there, well handy for any decent human being (who’s probably funding your upkeep with their taxes) who needed to make an urgent phone call, ay…?
Really, well done, probably the most physical activity you’ve had in ages.
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Teenagers sitting on benches – oooh, terrifying! The people at fault really are the ones who let themselves be imtimidated by people who are basically hanging out doing nothing. It’s pretty pathetic.
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I’m ashamed to say that i’m related to one of these waste of skin losers.
Social Security needs to be cut for all of them, without question.
They say there’s nothing to do… but yet for myself (only a few years older) there has always been plenty to do, like WORK for example.
If you WANT a job in Guernsey you can get one, having recently lost my job i understand it’s hard to get a new one, but i’ve still got myself one in less time than this lot have.
Having recently been into the Social Security office (an experience that disgusts me whenever i go in due to the drunk, high, and sub-human people i usually find there) to investigate a letter regarding a missing contribution (pardon me for being laid off!!) i saw all sorts of posts for jobs, all sorts of schemes The States run to give these people work experience etc.
In short, this story makes my blood boil.
Wasters, cut social security off and stop making life so easy for them.
Are my comments controversial? I don’t care, i’m happy to expand on them if needs be.
I’d love to see the GP run a counter-story, this is NOT page 3 news, even in Guernsey.
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…….I am sure the use of the word intimidating has been used incorrectly here…the word should probably have been “irritating”, as is refelcted on some of the posts here. A gaggle of youths on a street corner has always provided the chemistry to catalyse bile in the older generation.
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Vivica – I must take issue with your claim to of met “sub-humans” unless you have seen their DNA which shows they are some throw back to Darwinistic evolutionary creatures, then I doubt very much they were sub-human – they are in fact very human just as you and I.
The funny thing is – if you see some lads in suits hanging around outside Boots at 1 on a weekday, it is fine because they are in suits and obviously meeting mates at lunch. Go back on Saturday night at midnight and the same lads are drunken oafs who are messing about and far more intimidating then scraggy “yoofs” on the bench outside. Funny how we judge isnt it!
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I’m probably going to misquote here but the best line of the whole piece was along the lines of a shopper complaining to the police that there were people sitting down and the they didn’t do anything about it. Brilliant!
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The one on the left, Rachel, was quoted as saying she can’t be bothered. She even seems to be comfortable with admitting it to the world. Well at least to the people of Guernsey who pay for her. And why should she be if there are free handouts.
The answer is to remove all the handouts from people who “can’t be bothered”.
If she and her ilk are deemed by a doctor to be physically and mentally capable of work then we should not pay for these people to doss about.
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Oh dear god what are we doing? we are moaning about lazy children sitting on a bench in town?! What about the drunks who sit at the bus terminus? Or the man who sits at Trinity with his backside hanging out with no t-shirt on?!
Yes these kids are lazy and dont want to work, and we can all agree that is wrong and the states need to sort that out before it gets any worse. As for them sitting there, well its a free world (almost) that we live in, you cant moan about them sitting there but admittedly if they are ripping up phone books and causing damage then the police need to grow a pair and remove them!
I think we all know Social Security make it all too easy for the lazy layabouts we have on this island and the worst thing is, it IS you and I that pay for them. We work so hard and for what, for them to pop out children and have lovely houses kitted out for them! Wonderful! As for these kids, their’ll realise! When they actually grow up and have some intelligence and look back at what a prat they were and then that they really cant get a job because they are fit for nothing well our point will be proven!
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the most frustrating thing is i often see the youths that are on social benefits in town getting drunk on a friday and saturday nights.
They spend most of there time at home playing on xboxs and playstations then on other things such as facebook.
Now that the weather is good and sunny they are all down at the beach or park instead of trying to get jobs or even part time jobs.
Some of the people on social benefits try and get jobs and put effort into getting a steady income and money into their hands but there is a group that turn up at the social desk and get our hard earned money put into their hand for just doing nothing all day.
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As a young person whenever I complained that there was nothing to do I was told by my mother to clean and tidy my bedroom and then help her with the housework. For starters! This focussed my creative abilities wonderfully at finding something constructive to do so that I wouldn’t be left holding a vacuum cleaner and duster or even worse.
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Another non story from the press. Why this is deemed to be news worthy is beyond me. Shock! horror! group of teenagers intimidates unknown people and do things that arent substantiated.
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Isn’t it about time social security reviewed the whole ‘benefits’ thing? Why are they being given handouts whenthere are jobs to be had in hotels which we are inporting labour to do, if they want money then they should take whatever they can get, and lets stop giving out licences for jobs locals can do.
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Scarlett – every single word spot on!!
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Unfortunately, I was coming up the steps to the right of the telephone boxes and a male youth who was with a gang of mixed youths seated, uttered a rude comment in my direction with regard to my age. I was taken aback but focussed on my task in town – I should have stopped and given him a piece of my mind. They would definitely need training in getting on with people before being offered a job.
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With regard to the comment that these youngsters have nothing to do – what about helping with conservation projects or picking up rubbish from the beaches. There is loads to do in the community though helping their aged relatives would be toooo much for them as they have no respect.
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Beware of mixing up lazy layabouts on the social with the hard working young people just released from school after months of revision and exams. They will be on the beaches, in town and in the parks for a few weeks, in between summer jobs, before setting out on the rest of their lives to become resposible, hard working adults and maybe even, one day, parents and the old fogies. Let’s not tar all teenagers with the one brush.
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Let’s picket them with “get a job” placards. They’ll move soon enough :)
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500 unemployed? and 5 on a bench? better bar your windows good citizens. but … a few thousand immigrant workers? well, good luck to the latter – decent hard working efficient people from all parts of the globe doing every job here from washing dishes and cleaning bottoms (or is that the other way round?), to helping non-taxed financial services companies to very cleverly avoid mega tax for billionaires way, waaaaay, out of sight (maybe not so decent in that case), to intensively caring for your post-op, or demented parent, and every job inbetween. but let’s say the 500 local jobless can be put into every job inbetween – i state local business will never consider them because the non-locals doing their best for the folks back home can be paid less, coerced to work longer hours and generally exploited a darn sight easier than a local person. if you want the kids off the town benches, take away 1000 short -term licences and see how accommodating employers will suddenly be to local jobless.
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If these youths were offered the jobs washing dishes, cleaning toilets and bottoms(?)I doubt they would do them as they consider it beneath them.It would be too much hard work and they “can’t be bothered”
I come from a background where I had to work to pay my way at home and through university. I recognise that I had a privileged background but that has not stopped me working hard every day of my life and never claiming on the social. I also try to help other people but most are not willing to help themselves.
Life is hard for some of these youngsters and some need a helping hand but often they are too lazy to help themsleves or have an attitude problem.
In my business I recruit local people regularly and I see a complete cross section. It is not just the young who ” can’t be bothered”.
There is a malaise in Guernsey (and UK) where a certain section of society believe they have a right to be given a job without putting the effort in themselves.
This is I believe exacerbated in Guernsey where young people in particular seem to think that they have a god given right to a job. Often when I have employed local school leavers they fail to have the same work ethic as older employees and often dress and behave inappropriately at work.
Whenyou walk past the States Insurance office you often have to suffer a barrage of abuse and walk in the road as those collecting their social are often hanging around the entrance , shouting abuse and generally being anti-social and refusing to let people by on the pavement. I notice most of these people can afford to smoke, drink and have expensive clothes and tatoos.
I have had one or two successes in employing young people who shrug off the “can’t be bothered” attitude and start to turn their lives around. That is very rewarding for them and for me.
I am all for giving thema chnace, a helping hand but they have to grasp that hand and not have the attitude that they desrve a job.
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It’s easy for those of us who were raised in a working lifestyle to criticise these ‘yoof’ but we weren’t born with a work ethic – we were brought up with role models who demonstrated a value system that said you earn your living. I suspect a good number of these teenagers are second / third generation benefit lifestylers who were raised in a benefit culture and have therefore been normalised to it. They have also probably had it drummed into their heads (possibly with some justification) that the rest of ‘society’ is against them. I have seen evidence of this when speaking to people who were raised in a benefits lifestyle, it’s very difficult to get out of that culture without outside help.
So unless the community as a whole makes the effort to break this cycle, this sorry scene will carry on indefinitely.
A couple of suggestions I have are:
- Perhaps we should bring back a type of National Service for all young people? I’m not talking about military training but compulsory community work to instill a sense of pride in the community and the value of good honest labour. Not only that but it will mingle young people from different social groups and hopefully give them all a wider sense of belonging.
- A significant part of benefits should be paid in vouchers to ensure the money goes where it’s supposed to and not on fags, booze, designer clothes and tattoos. Some should still be paid in cash as I think it’s fair to allow everyone a treat now and then. To be overly restrictive would only breed more resentment.
- A full review of the welfare state is required to ensure that only those in real need are provided for. It’s not just the ‘yoof’ who can’t be bothered; it’s the welfare state that can’t be bothered to assess each case rigorously and decide who is really worthy of State handouts. Those that can work are given a set period of time to find work, or their benefits are cut unless they can provide a very good explanation. I understand that many employers would be reluctant given previous bad experiences but perhaps employers could be offered incentives to take on young people, such as social security discounts?
There will always be those bad eggs who will doss their lives away. Personally I believe with a bit of effort many who are on the road to that lifestyle can be turned round with a bit of effort from both sides.
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having left the island over twenty five years ago i find it really to read that this sort of garbage is being spurted all over your news. i was one of the people who started the dreaded skinhead movement off in the late 70′s and the press and the police had a field day with us, so much so that in the end i was forced to leave the island just to get away from the continual harrasment from authority. these kids dont look at all intimidating but as usual the class regime that is so prominant in guernsey raises its ugly head and looks down on anything that it doesnt understand. at least here in london there is a reasonable amount of tolerance and understanding towards all culture.
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Interesting comments……I grew up on the Island and visited a few weeks ago from London, where I now work. I walked past these “youngsters” in “office hours” at about lunchtime when one of them was with her baby in a pram. I left town at about 4 pm and the pram and baby were still “parked-up” against the church wall, seemingly undefended- I remember when we used to leave our cars unlocked but COME-ON!!!! Visitors from the huge cruise ship also in Town on the day will have probably wondered why these people were just hanging about.- Perhaps they thought “Wow ! the people of this Island paradise are so rich they don’t even have to work for a living “. In London people who just “hang about” are moved along by the police…..and they go home and watch Jeremy Kyle!!!
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Dave
To me this has nothing to do with class, its solely about lazy youngsters who do nothing for society.
You clearly still have a chip on your shoulder about the way you were treated back in the 70′s, (but if I remember correctly a good portion of that reputation was well earned), but dont bring it all down to class, you can be a lazy/ troublemaking/ surly/ lout whatever your background and education, I think this article highlights that its a growing trend, nothing more.
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steve-o, glad to see that there are still ignorant people like yourself who think they know everything they need to know about everyone that lives on the rock. a lot of the bad press we recieved in the 70s was absolute rubbish. guernsey has a major class problem and it always has, there is no way that someone who lives on the bouette is treated in the same way as someone who hails from fort george, FACT.as for the chip on my shoulder, i never had one then and i still dont have one now i just remember what it was like to be young in guernsey but some of you people were obviously born middle aged.
LP i dont recall ever being moved on in the kings road or oxford street because of just hanging around, i dont know where you get your information from but its wrong, also you said a stereotypical comment of the guernsey heirarchy ” Visitors from the huge cruise ship also in Town on the day will have probably wondered why these people were just hanging about “,……………………………. dont worry about the locals just make sure the visitors are ok.
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Dave
If it helps you to think of me as ignorant then you go right ahead, but the obvious anger in your posts make sure you really do come accross as having a massive issue with this island.
Laughable really as the “atrocities” committed against you were over 30 years ago and you are still come accross as being really bent out of shape about it.
Maybe the island was too small for you to get away with what you wanted back then, maybe you just couldnt cut it here with the sight of people getting on and bettering themselves being too much for you to stomach so you left… I know who has lost out more.
Also where did I deny there was a class problem, maybe you should read the posts, or are they difficult to see through the cloud of indignation hanging over your computer??
I was merely stating that this article has nothing to do with class, and that you are merely using it as a poor attempt to get things off your chest, you dont need to be a therapist to see that a mile off.
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dave – these people aren’t being picked on because of the way they look. it’s because of the fact they aren’t doing anything.
if you were a skinhead now then you would get very few problems. however if you were a skinhead who sat around not bothering to get a job, then you would probably find yourself a target for abuse. and rightly so.
they could be dressed in suits and sat there being an annoyance and people would moan about them.
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Isnt there a relatively simple solution to all this…..
We all agree that there are a lot of projects on this island that need work.
We all also agree that there are a lot of menial work that we employ off-islanders to do.
As from above, we agree that there are a lot odf lazy wasters, claiming no oppurtunies as an excuse for thir lazyness, they will soon get paid out of our taxes for this attitude.
Simple, you turn up for your dole handout, you get assigned a job, whether it be picking tomatoes, boxing flowers, or labouring alongside states works getting the islands infrastructire repaired quicker.
There are a multitude of things that these people could help with.
If they dont turn up for their alloted tasks, they dont get their dole…. simples.
This way they get skills, they can prove themselves, and hopefully move on up the ladder to gainful employment.
If they dont take the improvement route, then they must expect to spend their lives labouring.
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I stopped buying things for my teenage daughters until they found a job.They soon found jobs!
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Magpie
Let’s hope they start buying YOU a few little gifts soon as a thank you
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Alot of us there have a job and do go to school, Hense the fact we hang there after school, of a meeting place after work.
For the people that don’t work, a lot of them want to but can’t.
There are also alot of other youths that hang around other places and we get into trouble just because its slightly open area.
We got moved on from the sunken gardens and that was a much more discrete place to met at.
Scarlett-there is a main group that hang there, but also a lot of other people that like to spoil it for us. We had to clean up that mess and we didn’t make it.
we just want a place to hang, we don’t shout out abuse and are generally nice. So all the people that are make false judgments please follow them up because more than half of us are not all that people make out.
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Can’t think why you were moved on from the sunken gardens
It’s an alcohol free zone not a teenager free zone
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@dave lepage
And which culture or movement are these young adults part of?
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I agree with most of the points that you have raised. I feel sorry for these young people, whom having gone through, or are going through senior education, and we do have on Guernsey every possible opportunity for students with every talent available, that they are so unmotivated. I can’t think of anything worse, putting myself in their shoes and at their age, of thinking that there is “nothing to do”. There will always exist, in every community a core of those who go through life thinking there is nothing in it for them, how depressing. Since I am not a miracle worker I can’t come up with an answer to what basically amounts to a lack of initiative.
N/A I can’t help feeling, with your comment re being moved from the sunken garden, that you and your group have incited publicity for your cause, it won’t and doesn’t work.
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At the risk of sounding a bit square – which im really not – here is a run down of what my time consisted of when i was 15 (which scarily was 10 years ago now)but I believe each of these still run – Monday Scout Band Tues See friends Wed Scouts Thurs nothing Friday Youth Club Saturday Youth Club Sunday Homework. No reason to be bored really. I also got involved in charity work and voluntary stuff as well as seasonal stuff like panto and school plays and sports teams, on top of a saturday job. Some argue that they cant afford it but thats rubbish most of these are free or very cheap – prob less then you spend on drinks and snacks when hanging around, we managed to afford it when living in a states house and just the 1 income coming in. There are plenty of things to do – if you want to do them including an array of clubs such as canoeing climbing netball football cricket amateur dramatics and music – get involved people and make something of yourselves that you be proud of.
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Cry me down if you like, but there are jobs out there if you really want them, a lot maybe part time and sorry but lots are probably beneath you, if you want to earn you take what you can get until you find the situation you are looking for, if the hand outs where stopped it would give more incentive. As far as the abuse is concerned, I have not experienced that but have heard a stream of disgusting language which is totally unacceptable, so perhaps these people should be made aware, bad language can be intimidating to older people, even young people going about their business. I would not have thought outside a Church was an appropriate meeting place either, try looking around for somewhere more isolated if you must.
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Once the awful victorian education system is eradicated and private/state schools are on a similar footing these things will change.
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N/A. Ok, I hear some of what you’re saying, and I do appreciate you taking the time out of your busy day to reply.
Ref your friends that don’t work, as allegedly ‘a lot of them want to but can’t’, do you actually mean they can’t find a job, or is it that they can’t find a job they LIKE, so they opt to do nothing, instead?
You see, a lot of the rest of us work very hard in jobs we loathe every day…
which ironically, is how we pay for their benefits!
We do this because we don’t have a choice, take personal responsibility for our lives, have too much self respect to expect others to fund us loafing around doing eff-all…
oh yes, and we don’t have mummies and daddies who let us live at home for nothing, and are happy to subsidise the aforementioned loafing.
I would LOVE to hear from a parent of one of these little darlings, and see how THEY feel about their offspring, doing B-all, week in, week out, whilst they go to work (perhaps…?) to fund the constant flow of iPads, iPods and iPhones (and associated bills) that are sooo de rigeur for the unemployed teen about town.
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Scarlett, great post! Andy, mmmmm not so much.
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Scarlett – I must admit whenever I walk past these people, I havent seen a single iphone or ipad.
Also ref your comment about working in jobs you loathe, perhaps that is where some of the vitriol comes from, have you considered a change in career to something that makes you a bit happier??
Just a thought.
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Oh look what I found from searching the job centre.
Utter tosh N/A – sorry.
15 June 2010 – Sales Assistant – Marks & Spencer
17 June 2010 – Sales Advisors – New Look
17 June 2010 – Team Leader – Jessop’s
22 June 2010 – Forecourt Shop Assistant – Jacksons (CI) Ltd
25 June 2010 – Counter Assistant – Pulp Juice Bar
25 June 2010 – Shop Assistant – Kitchen Garden Ltd
30 June 2010 – Sales Assistant – Marks & Spencer
06 July 2010 – Administrative Assistant – Ship & Fly Ltd
21 June 2010 – Administrator/Driver – Captain Cook – Boulangerie Victor Hugo
05 July 2010 – Dispatch Operators – IEB Trading
05 July 2010 – Waiting Staff – Deerhound Inn
06 July 2010 – Waiting Staff – La Barbarie Hotel
06 July 2010 – Waiting Staff – Riva
15 June 2010 – Head Waiting Staff – Absolute End Restaurant
15 June 2010 – Waiting Staff – Dix Neuf
15 June 2010 – Waiting Staff – Le Friquet Plant Centre
15 June 2010 – Waiting Staff – Mandarin Gardens
15 June 2010 – Waiting Staff – Petit Bistro
15 June 2010 – Waiting Staff – Simply Ireland – Pier 17
17 June 2010 – Waiting Staff – Bella Luce Hotel
18 June 2010 – Waiting Staff – Houmet Tavern
18 June 2010 – Waiting/Housekeeping Staff – Captain Cook Hotel
22 June 2010 – Sunday Lunch Waiting Staff – Cotils Christian Centre
22 June 2010 – Waiting Staff – Liberation Group – White D’Or
23 June 2010 – Waiting Staff – Petit Bot Tea Rooms
25 June 2010 – Waiting Staff – La Perla
30 June 2010 – Waiting Staff – Dix Neuf
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Excellent post Lynnie! they want to work but they cant?! another words they think they are too good to work at M&S or New Look or wait on tables, some of the best people i know wait on tables.
I think we all agree these children are lazy, lazy, lazy!
I do believe guernsey has a big divide with “class” but not in this case!
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That’s because they possibly had unplugged for the macro second you saw them for, Aunty GP, it doesn’t mean they don’t have them…
they ALL have them because they ‘have’ to, because all their ‘M8′s’ do, and because it’s easier for their parents to give in to their demands and get them all this stuff (thus teaching them the value of everything and the worth of nothing) than say ‘no’, make them go get a job and buy it themselves.
I started work and paid board to live at home from age 15. I didn’t like what I did, but I did it anyway. My parents didn’t give me a choice.
Now, I run my own company and absolutely adore what I do, 7 days a week. I referred to myself as ‘we’ in the context of being a fellow taxpayer….
and yes, I object very much INDEED to paying a substantial portion of my small amount of very hard earned cash to any ‘yoof’ who feels entitled to sit around all day moaning they’re bored because there’s nothing at the job centre (see Lynnie’s post) that they like, or who make having bay-bees (for the state and their mothers to look after) some sort of career choice.
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I am sorry Scarlett but I think you are mixing up all youths with the youths you see outside town church the so called Benefit Generation, walking past and seeing them texting they are not using shiny iphones, I believe you are referring to the other side of their age group who did get a job and earn a ridiculous amount of money in junior trust and fund positions paying a small amount of board and then left with masses of disposable income, these are the shiny iphone holders and theses are the ones that stagger around town at night on a friday and saturday and ask if you want a fight. These church hanging youth have enough against them, you dont need to make stuff up to compound the problem.
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Most of us do not have ‘ipads’ or expensive toys. And we don’t live of mummy and daddy.
We try not to be a nucense but it always backfires on us.
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Auntie GP – 100% agree with you, every single teenage has different ideas, different motives, different principles.
Scarlett – every post i see from you it seems you are so very angry – i do worry that you may be spending all day on this site working yourself into a rage which has no positive outcome.
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Missy, please dear, save you pseudo concern for someone who needs it.
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scarlett – you run your own company and adore what you do. well good for you and well done. but why can’t you be happy with that? you still want blood? you can’t have 60,000 guernsey people each running their own companies. there will always be people at the bottom in free market dog eat dog economic society. lynnie found loadsa jobs and but those island employers will almost certainly pick the guest workers from outside the island before the locals because it is far easier and cheaper. the fact is business will always have an interest in maintaining a decent number of unemployed – to call on at low wage cost (the reserve army of labour). business has powerful political infuence and does not fuss about local jobless, unless they dry up.
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I don’t want much, so don’t want for anything, thank you, blah, and I am extremely happy with that…
however, that doesn’t mean I have to be blissfully accepting of everything, or that I don’t/can’t have an opinion about other things, or, indeed, express that opinion, and have a good ol’ fashioned debate with other strongly opinioned sorts on forums like this (and STILL be happy with my lot)…
that’s why most of us are on here.
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