Vandals trash disabled man’s £23,000 van
Saturday 17th July 2010, 2:29PM BST.
Andrew Pengelley believes it will cost at least £2,000 to put right the damage to his specially-adapted van. (0999017)
A DISABLED man’s specially-adapted van has been vandalised.
Andrew Pengelley, 45, lost his leg in a motorcycle accident seven years ago.
At least £2,000-worth of damage was caused to his Renault Trafic in the early hours of yesterday when vandals smashed a large side window and scratched the driver’s side of the vehicle, which was parked outside his home on Sandy Hook Estate.
One of his teenage daughters was woken by the vehicle’s alarm at 3.25am but was unable to see the culprit.
A neighbour called the police.
* Guernsey Police confirmed they were investigating and anyone with information is asked to contact PC Shields on 725111.
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There is one answer, proven in the past, and that is the ‘Birch’. Bring it back and put an end to ninetynine percent of your crimes. You won’t because you are gutless and afraid to be described as one of the ‘drag ‘em out, flog ‘em and hang ‘em Brigade’ by those who have a vested iterest in the proliferation of crime.
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Brian,thank god im not the only one who would like to see the return of the birch,i would also like to see the gallows brought back too !.
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idiots
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Brian,
Now thats what I call “sticking your neck out”.Now think about it,these poor deprived kids,nothing to do,nowhere to go,hungry,cold,less and less drugs available each week,work if you feel like it,otherwise the taxpayers will cough up.And now,onless I am much mistaken,you will hear the “do-gooders”making excuses for creatures that wreck a disabled persons transport.The brain they have was meant to be planted in a louse,but nature got mixed up!
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and the evidence that ‘kids’ or ‘deprived’, or drug users, or anyone else of a particular bag did the damage is what exactly?
p le p – sorry, who are the idiots you refer to? the persons damaging the van or the would be birchers and stereotypers?
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Dont panic Blah!
No-one is going to get found out for doing this so any stereotyping and generalising is a moot point.
And even in the unlikely eventuality that they did get fingered for this. Nothing would happen to them because there would be no doubt be some sob story that would hook in the doo-gooders and any hint of punishment would be treated with derision.
Then we can all get quickly back on with our lives and back to prosecuting the 27mph in a 25 zone brigade who frankly are making the island a hellhole!
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blah – yes, sorry a bit ambiguous. I meant the people who vandalised the van – whether they be rich, poor, black, white, young, old, gay, straight or whatever.
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Paul
Are you saying that you know more about this incident…
So, we know we are looking for 8 people, of mixed ethinicity, mixed sexuality and of varied age range and wealth.
Are they male or female?? Or Both??
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The Man – sadly not otherwise I’d be on the phone to the local constabulary, not commenting on here….
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actually ormerman old fruit, no one was hurt by bashing in the poor bloke’s van, no matter how unacceptable the action was. selfish, reckless, stupid local motorists are a much much bigger daily threat to my kids, who walk the local pavements and cycle the local roads to school. 25 mph (and you are only 10 minutes from anywhere, for goodness sake) – what’s the problem, you are not a fire engine.
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So Blah,
You are saying that people who break the speed limit, by 2 mph, yes 2 mph (as outlined in my post), you know, the ones that get dragged to court and fined and or banned, (I’m not talking the serious speeders, just the marginal cases), are a greater danger to our island, than vandals.
Also, I find it ironic that you worry about your kids getting run over by a car doing 27 instead of 25, yet defend peoples rights to abuse them in other threads.
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Hey it wasn’t long ago that the people who robbed the jewellers were apprehended. Let’s not lose faith here.
I doubt very much that people have been pulled to court and fined over breaking the speed limit by 2mph. If that is the case then there must have been something else to it. That being said we can all see the dangers from speeding so I hope that there IS more focus on that area.
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Yes Lynnie, perhaps they could start with the Kevs….. Oh Right!!
Or maybe they could follow up about complaints on Forest Road….. Oh Right!!
Or maybe they could sit hidden behind a bush, in an area where there is no danger to children or the public and catch people there doing moderate speeding, hooray, we’ve got it!
If you are happy for more focus to be taken from real crime and placed on moderate speeding (again I say moderate, the Kevs arent moderate, nor are the forest road 9.30 gang but they both seem to be ignored), then I really do worry about our priorities.
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Ormerman – I didn’t realise this was an “either or” issue.
I’m sure even the police are quite capeable of multitasking. I do find it quite amusing though that you are adamant about starting an arguement about something or other even if it has no relevance to the topic being discussed.
Mr Pengelley – I sincerely hope that the perpetrators of this crime are apprehended. I also hope that the insurance covers the damages!
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Oh Lynnie
It was Blah that started the comments about speeding!
Do try to keep up!
Also you (again) contradict yourself, firstly you yourself state that you want the police to focus more on speeding, then you backtrack and say its not an either or. Well surely if they are putting MORE focus on something, they are taking LESS focus on other crimes.
Hmmmm!
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ormerman old (increasingly angry over maybe having to try and slow down a bit)fruit – you replied to me – “Also, I find it ironic that you worry about your kids getting run over by a car doing 27 instead of 25, yet defend peoples rights to abuse them in other threads.” no, no, no, ormerman – read it all again if you have to, but i expect you may have misread or i was not clear (enough for you). all my posts about the boy who wants a court case have argued for calm and doing what is right ( i agree that is subjective) for that boy and that may not be a court case. if you just want to hang the an abuser then fine, go ahead and try but you may end up doing more harm than good – please try to understand that – i am not alone thinking this. if more than one of the boy’s psychologists (and neither the press editor or dave jones are those people) come out in support of this case being prosecuted for the sake of the child, than i will say ok go for it and push for a hearing.
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Well done Brian bring back the birch as prison is a joke and i know ex prisoners who would not mind going back in i dont think i would even mind, making different things wood work a bit of gardening and go to the gym and if you are good you will get a chinese cooked for you on the weekend, watch tv in your own cell sounds great and all thanks to the do gooders
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blah (or should it be blah blah blah!)
No sorry, you cannot re-write your posts to show moderacy.
In your quest to badmouth the so called hanging brigade, you yourself have practically leapt to the defence of peoples rights to do whatever they please on this island, and quite happy not to ruffle anyones feathers.
“No guys, come on lets keep things as they are, it works fine”
“all Ok”
“Yep!” Except for the victims of course!
Oh and could we please have some paragraphs?Reading your posts is like grading infants class english literature!
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It’s so sad what is happening to Guernsey.
Have the kids got nothing better to do then go around smatching or setting fire to things. Do there parents know they are out all hours of the night doing this kind of thing?
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ormerman, my old and possibly libelous (if we used our real names) fruit: obviously i am anti-hanging and flogging brigade. i try to use my heart tempered by my ability to be rational – my head – that’s the difference between me and the animal kingdom. i am anti-flogging and hanging mentality and cannot think of much else I am more proud about – go back and decide how you want to evolve. your argument has totally ignored my reasoning (which i advised you to revise), and which I think is replicated by the majority of other posters on this topic in one way or another. slagging off my presentation style is pertinent only if we are discussing presentation styles – it is the sign of you scraping the barrel in defending your arguments. you have the guns but we have the numbers.
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Actually under Gsy lay you cannot legally be prosecuted for doing 27mph in a 25mph zone, as you are allowed a 10% error in your speedometer. So you’d have to drive at above 27.5mph to get prosecuted.
As regards the people who did these, it is hard not to stereotype the suspects as the emergence of a culture in guernsey has coincided with an increase in vandalism and would be trouble makers.
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did anyone read Dave Jones letter in the Press last night?
I don’t always agree with the man, but I’ve gotta say, that (for whatever reasons he said it), he is spot on.
Scum sucking petrol heads running the Forest Road rally (and on one occasion, killing a pedestrian along the sea front….remember that? As far as I’m aware, the ‘young lady’ concerned was NEVER prosecuted), night in, night out, for more years than we can remember, unchallenged, paedo’s getting away with it on a regular basis, and stuff such as this, mindless vandalism of a vulnerable individuals vehicle, thus depriving him of a least a modicum of independence in a life that is already fraught with all sorts of problems.
And what do our liberal minded leaders/the authorities do about it?
Try, b*gger all, a slap on the wrist and a lollypop IF they’re caught (and it’s a BIG ‘if’), as we are forced to endure yet another rhetoric about what terrible childhoods the perpetrators had, how they have a drug problem they’re working on, how they were depressed at the time, anything, in fact, rather than admit that people have personal responsibility for their lives, how they act within it, it’s effects on other people, and the consequences thereof.
There is no consequences, no individual responsibility, no need to concern ourselves with what our actions do to others, as there’ll always be a fleet of advocates and social workers willing to leap to our defence and claim that perpetrators of crimes and offences to decency and humanity are actually now VICTIMS, to be understood, cared for, and otherwise hand held through their useless, purposeless, self involved lives, whilst other decent people pick up the tab by paying for their benefits, treatments, housing, court appearances and prison stays.
I’ve had a tough life, many have, but quite frankly, so WHAT?! Who cares?
Does that mean we all feel entitled to do what we like and never pay the price?
No. It damn well doesn’t, and the sooner that our leaders get their liberal heads out of their liberal proverbials, the sooner that mindless, irresponsible MORONS will realise that their behavior will not be tolerated, dare I say it, condoned by ‘aunty establishment’, but that they WILL be caught, and punished, to the full extent of some proper, well balanced laws metered out by a judicial system that is fair and just….
yeah, right, and then I woke up.
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Good post Scarlett.
I also agree with what Dave Jones wrote in the GEP. These Liberal tree huggers have done the Island no favours whatsoever.
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Scarlett
Put that post at the top of a petition and I’ll gladly sign it
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I too have had my disagreements with Mr Jones but not this time. His letter was excellent! It will probably be ignored by the powers that be though.
Well said Scarlett. Sadly proper justice seems to be exactly that – a dream….
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I think perhaps he ought to consider his words a little more – the use of “Cretin” as an insult is entirely inappropriate.
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Scarlet
Very well said (ditto Dave Jones).
Sadly its not just Guernsey which is being ruined by the “liberal tree huggers”. It has already completely destroyed the fabric of the UK mainland as well and we have foolishly imported most of their policies, procedures and attitudes.
We need to return to the days when teachers and the police had real authority and were to be both feared and respected. More importantly, to the days when parents ran their childrens’ lives, rather than the other way around, and actually took proper responsibility for doing so.
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So right on so very many levels, David, I long for the day…
sadly, I don’t think it’ll be in my lifetime :0(
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I was totally apalled and shocked upon reading this report this man has already suffered considerably having lost his leg and then an unfeeling inconsiderate person perpetrates a henious act like vandalising his vechile words fail me! my heart goes out to this man and his daughter i hope that the thug who comitted such a mindless and wicked act is brought to justice as he or she desrveuls to be. Absoloutley disgraceful and unkind totally uncalled and i would be interested to hear the excuses the person responsible uses to disguise this callous deed.
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Blah
I’m going to ignore your petty jibes and leave them to you and your ilk, at least my criticism of you had a basis in merit, your resulting to name calling just proves the redundancy of your position.
Suffice to say, I’d much rather live in Scarletts world, than yours, and it appears so would many others, what was that you say about numbers??
Scarlett very well put, kind of sums my feelings up far more eloquently than I could myself.
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i was going to try to parody dave jones’ extraordinary rant to expose it for the negative, unhelpful, populist rally that it was, but i could not improve on the original. i think he wrote a very very similar piece a while ago after a simliar ‘outrage’. interesting how he gets out his loudhailer when a case of criminal damage ticks more than one popular-vote tick box – on this occasion, despite mr pengelley remaining calm in the paper (he is probably very very cross but knows worse things have hurt him), dave jones is quick to note that the case ticks both the very visible, social problem box and also ticks the vulnerable, disabled victim box. and bingo. everyone’s up and dancing. his theory (i am generous) is reactionary and without any evidence as usual – it is a daily mail template – you can probably download these speeches from the mail’s website, together with a free cut-out-and-keep cardboard gallows set (not much use in the wet). yes, we have a problem with vandalism and it makes us all bloody annoyed but the end of the world is not nigh – we could be in a million worse places. the solutions are not simple and need consideration not red faced rage. it is so so easy to blame everything on individuals and ignore the society of which we are all part. go back to the good old days dave jones? like the good old days’ values and authority was fine and dandy for you fifty years ago?
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Why does everybody think it’s “darn kids” committing this crime?
Probz blah going 25mph round the bloody coast!
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