Answers demanded as sex abuse cases go unresolved
Monday 19th July 2010, 2:30PM BST.
Deputy Dave Jones meets the mother of a boy who is demanding that his father be prosecuted for alleged abuse. (0998963)
A MINISTER is demanding that the Law Officers explain to States members why child sex abuse cases are not going to court.
Deputy Dave Jones says he is disgusted by the lack of justice for such victims and their families following a recent story about a boy who wants his father prosecuted.
The Housing minister believed that the youngster’s story was the tip of the iceberg following a six-year campaign he has waged to get justice for many similar cases.
And he claimed that some incidents were not being pursued on grounds of cost or because there was a fear that Guernsey could suffer from the ‘Haut de la Garenne’ taint like Jersey if such matters became public.
Depending on the outcome of any meeting with the Law Officers, he might petition the States to ensure the issue is discussed by the Assembly as soon as possible.
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Good on you Dave Jones, about time somebody did something. I’m sure a lot of people will be behind you on this one.
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I cannot, for the life of me, believe that the Guernsey I know ( or should I now say ‘knew’) as Sarnia Cherie ‘ is doing nothing to address sex abuse cases perpetrated by parents – repeat parents! – against their own children!! My God. Guernsey surely has sunk to an all-time low.
ps. No one in the States should concern themselves about this ‘situation’ being exposed and becoming known world wide. It already is.
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Today I have received more calls and e-mails from the families of victims.
In my view, the public have a right to expect that justice is seen to be done and I doubt very much that they are too familiar with what actually happens at present, with the law officers evidently preventing cases from reaching the courts, often for reasons many of us find difficult to understand. I have absolutely no issue with prosecutors being completely independent, I also do not question their integrity. That really is NOT the issue. I do have a real problem however with a criminal justice system that seems to constantly fail those who rely on it most, making sure we get justice for our children. I accept that the Law officers abide by a code that governs these things. However It is pointless having a code, if that code is so prescriptive that it effectively prevents the case being the subject of the scrutiny and the rigors of open court. The Law officers should in my opinion not be acting as an impediment between those who have been offended against and their right to have their day in court. Especially when the police who have done all the leg work and are often convinced that there is a serious case to answer. I share the frustration police officers unquestionably feel on these occasions and some of the cases I am aware of have had police officers advising the victim’s families that in their opinion the evidence is sufficient to put before a court. It cannot be right for any individual no matter how learned they may be, to act as judge and jury deciding by a stroke of a pen what cases will be put before the courts and those that will fall to the ground. It is neither justice, nor what any fair thinking community would consider to be right. It must surely be the decision of a court to decide whether a case stands up to scrutiny and for a judge together with the Jurats if necessary, to sift through the evidence, listen to the testimony of any witnesses and then determine whether the evidence is sufficient or otherwise, either to secure conviction of the defendant or throw the case out, that is after all, why we call them Judges. We also have the other reason often given by St James’s Chambers, about what is in the “public interest.” To me the public interest is best served, when they see the criminal justice system working as they have been assured it would. There is no easy way for any family to accept that a person accused of the persistent sexual assault of a child should walk free, without there at least being a hearing in open court to determine the facts of the matter. The major problem also when the Courts have not had the opportunity to review a case, is that person can continue to be a real threat to other children wherever they are. Offences against children and how we handle them are particularly important, I wonder what kind of message we send to our children, when we say to them, “we believe you, when you tell us that you have been sexually assaulted,” however the person who committed the assault will not be punished for the offence because the case is either to difficult to prove or that someone decided that there was insufficient evidence, or it is just to expensive to proceed, or it is not in the public interest or for a whole raft of other reasons. The whole way theses cases are dealt with and the level of discretion used in deciding who is prosecuted need some review in order that families and more importantly the children affected by these offences don’t feel cheated by the very system that was supposed to protect them.
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Maybe someone has something to hide ??
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WHEN are we going to protect the children , and not the abuser why is their name kept out of the paper they name kids for speeding and petty things and this which is really important and ruins young people s lives is kept hidden .ITS DISGUSTING.
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if people have good evidence,rather than 2+2=78 conclusions, that the authorities are genuinely not making the right decisions based on widely accepted legal criteria, they should make that evidence publicly clear, rather than stirring popular reaction (though i cannot believe dave jones would seek the popular vote). i do think dave jones and the press, amongst others, have a problem with the accountability of the law officers and this is linked to ideas of island independence and stuffing the big bad uk. i hope the issue of victims of abuse is not being used by said politicians and media to further other agendas. people who have been abused must be correctly assisted to seek redress in whatever form is realistic, not be further indirectly exploited by those who may claim to be riding to their aid. they need truly independent help and everyone needs to keep calm.
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Cue the hoards telling us there must be a specific reason why every single one of these cases failed to make court or obtain any kind of justice whatsoever!
From top to bottom, Guernsey justice is a complete sham!
It always will be a sham too as long as people make excuses for it, well done Dave Jones.
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you have to have hard evidence, there could be some flaw in his evidence, and can be thrown out,i think its unfair for dave jones to say they pick the cases, they want, this a very sencetive case, and i hope justice takes its cauce,
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at last a deputy that is working and trying to help guernsey children i hope you can help this family and the many others that are going through the same ordeal MAY BE A PERTITION TO THE STATES REGARDING THE LAW OFFICERS MAY HELP
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I understand that this is a very sensitive topic. I feel myself and Im sure others do too that if there is no or lack of evidence then maybe the family should drop this and get on with getting helping for the child? it said in the Guernsey press on Wed 14 July that the boy was four when the abuse allegedly occurred I cant remember what I did yesterday let alone years ago if there was no or lack of evidence then why drag it all up again now. Why not get the boy help. He is at a sensitive age. It sounds to me the family my hold a grodge against the ex? If this happened to my children I would not want my private life or my childrens splatched all over the papers would you??
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Expat – are you serious? Guernsey is the most corrupt, evil, brush things under the carpet place I have ever known!
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CJG you are so right and until Guernsey can let go of its ridiculous ideas of special privileges granted by King John, who was one of the worst and most evil kings in English history, it will continue to be an unjust and inhumane place.
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I would not say it’s evil and things are brushed under the carpet? Im sure some things are but the case that was in the paper on the 14th July if there is no evidence then why let this keep going to the paper. I do not want to read about what is happening in the paper I think this should be dealt with behind close doors. Would you drag your little boy to St James Chambers to have his say? would you go to the papers? I think something is very wrong here???? what is boils down to is evidence
if there is non or lack off then thats that?
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Please read blah’s 8.30pm 19 July post
There is someone talking with his head not his heart
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@ blah and Sarah
In the majority of these cases that never make it to court because of lack of evidence, the abuser is so careful to make sure there is no evidence so they don’t get caught. This doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen. Something like this can really effect your life, it never goes away no matter how much counselling you have.
I have been in this situation myself. At the time I was too scared to say anything. Once I had grown up a bit, I realised that I had to say something to help protect other children.
It’s the same story, because of lack of evidence and the fact that what evidence they had was historic, nothing happened, even though 5 or 6 other people (unknown to me at the time) had come forward and said similar things. If 6 people’s statements, who were unknown to each other at the time (we have since meet and spoken)is not enough evidence then I don’t know what is.
Unfortunately it happened again to a couple of others, one was a very young child. If this case had gone to court then it would have prevented these other children from getting hurt.
The worst thing about the whole situation is that he now thinks he’s won because he was ‘proven innocent’. Everytime I see him, he gives me filthy looks and tells everyone how I made up disgusting things about him that aren’t true.
There is no worse feeling for a child or young adult than not being believed about something that has and will affect them for the rest of their life.
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Hi FK, Im sorry to hear your story about what happened to you.
But do you really think it is fair to print in the paper? I don’t think it’s the best way of dealing with it do you? like Katie said would you drag your child to St James Chambers. If this happened to this boy when he was 4 years of age and no evidence was found then, then why bring it all up it does not seem right what do you think? But how can taking this person to court help the little boy sleep at night? it does not seem right.
Im sure there is allot of things that we don’t know about but do you really want to read about them everyday. Puts me off buying a press.
Hope your in a better place in your head now.
I could not think about anything happening to my kids.
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Ray
Please read FK’s post July 20 11.58am
Theres people using their head on both sides of the arguement. Just because it doesnt fit with your views it doesnt mean people arent using their heads.
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Blah
I take great personal offence at your remark, that you think I would do what I am doing for votes. I suffered terribly from child abuse when I was growing up and as a result I had a wretched and thoroughly miserable childhood. Have you any idea what it is like to be powerless while some twisted and sick individual robs you of your childhood, little by little, day by day ,year by year. Do you know what it is like for a child waiting for someone who you know is going to abuse you to come and you will be powerless to resist. Well I do and I have stayed silent on this issue long enough. For your information I have been writing to the Law officers for several years on this issue, so please do NOT accuse me of doing this for votes, you pathetic individual.
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@ Sarah
I think printing it in the paper brings it to everybody’s attention and provokes debates like this which will hopefuly aid these types of cases going to court. I’m not saying it’s the best way of dealing with it but my guess is, the family is so fed up that they want something done about it. My family were exactly the same.
Taking this man to court will help this little boy sleep at night because he will know that at least somebody believes him, even if the verdict is not what he wants. The very fact that somebody believes what you’re saying is a great comfort.
I agree that these cases are very difficult to prove, but isn’t the fact that an innocent child has said awful things has happened to them enough? Why would a young child, 4 years old in this case, say something like that if it weren’t true? How would he have even known about these things if they weren’t happening to him?
I don’t like reading about these things any more than the next person but something needs to be done to make sure cases of this nature are dealt with appropriately in future.
I think Dave Jones is doing a brilliant thing and I for one am backing him 100%.
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As long as we have lawyers who are willing to exploit any tiny loophole in the law to get their, often guilty, clients off the hook then cases will continue to be brushed under the carpet. The law should be used with common sense in mind rather than following the letter of the law. I cant understand anyone thinking about abusing a child let alone doing it. Keep up the good work Dave Jones.
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Fair play to Mr jones, at last some one who has some clout in politics is willing to stand up and Ask the Questions.
lets see the authorities try and use Semantics on this guy to Cloud the issue :)
ending up in more misery because the law officers don’t have the Balls to take these sort of cases to the courts.
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Reply to CJG: Married for fifty years my wife and I were raised in Guernsey ( unnabused) as were my three children ( unnabused) and I stand by my word that Guernsey remains in my memory as a beautiful well governed island and a delightful place to live and raise children.
Keep in mind that I am in my seventies and, in my comments, I refer to the fifties and sixties at a time when, for instance, Noel Trotter was a constable and tomatoes and flowers were the talk of the island.
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dave jones – you are always giving it large about all sorts – fair play to you. but cos you, like any politician, will always want votes in due course (assuming you will want to stay in power), the public will always question the motives of you and your colleagues, especially when objectivity is scarce and reactionary comment rules the blogs. are you sure you can be objective given your experiences, with which you may still have a problem? to my mind, you and this boy are morphing into the same individual? who is this really about dave jones? there is more than one way of bringing an awful experience to an end – whether it be yours or this boy’s – it may NOT always lie in public prosecution, especially if this boy has his day in court and the court aquits. then where will he be? whether a judge or a law officer decides to proceed, a guilty verdict is not guaranteed – then where is the victim? i still wonder if this boy should be better served by expert counselling rather than being interviewed by a rookie press reporter and then being used (again) by all and sundry, me included?
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Dave Jones
Whilst it’s good to keep knocking on the Crown Officer’s door to keep them on their toes I would expect that you have received a similar answer every time so far …
Insufficient evidence to prosecute
The Police investigating officer will no doubt be convinced that the deeds did happen because he/she has had detailed face to face interviews with the victim and recorded the denials or the ‘no comment’ replies from the alleged accused
The Crown Officer on the other hand only sees a cold impersonal written report.He has to be trusted to decide if the case is winnable against a clever ( legal aid )defence lawyer otherwise the Courts will be swamped with rubbish cases ( proof wise )
It seems to take months now for even petty traffic cases to reach Court so taking every weak ( proof wise ) case to Court would worsen that situation
Unless we bring in Lie Detectors I can’t see the situation improving in the short term much to the annoyance of the majority of the public
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Dave Jones can I just say I agree with you you are not doing this for votes and understand you are personally offended we dont all think like that. But can I just say I dont think it is fair that if this case was looked into when this boy was 4 and nothing was found then that it should be brought up again? and printed for every one to read I think there is more then meets the eye regarding her ex? and for the boy yes he should receive help. Im sure this has opened allot of worms and upset allot of people as when you talk to others about it they have been through the same. But Im sure the Law officers are doing there best and cases like these cant be easy.
Has this boys father been in trouble between these times? I do think there is allways two sides to every story?
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Blah. I’ve played devil’s advocate on more than one occasion, but in this case, your comments are not well founded.
As I said on another comments board regarding this, I personally know an experienced english social worker who collated evidence for horrendous child abuse cases (one involving a baby) that she could never get to court. She was quite simply blocked almost each and every time.
Sickened and disheartened, she left the island, saying it was quite possibly the most evil place she had ever worked in.
Expat80. I grew up in 60′s, and distinctly remember several children I went to school with who everyone KNEW were being abused on a regular basis (one having a child by her father, another by her brother), but no one ever actually DID anything about it.
It was all as it is now, brushed under the carpet.
You can have your fond memories and choose to see/believe whatever you wish, but child abuse and incest has been a regular feature in the CI’s history for many, many years, and just because you and yours weren’t abused, doesn’t somehow mean it wasn’t happening to others.
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Blah can I just say what you said about this boy should be better served by experts then being Interviewed by the press Yes that is what I am trying to say. If this case was looked at when it first came to light when this boy was 4 and no evidence was found then then one day it suddenly struck him what may of happened then I beleive the parents should of seeked help for him not drag it all up for all to read, point fingers e.t.c like RAY said the Lie detectors would be a good thing to have.
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FK
Can I just say yes it does bring it to everybodys attention but I do think this boy does not need this brought to everyones attention like this do you? Like I said before this case looks like it was looked at when the boy was 4 so why now take it to the papers Im sure the parents could of got the answers they needed without going to the press? If there was no evidence then at the time then why bring it up again now the boy is older?
I do feel for the child don’t get me wrong but I do not think this way is doing this child any more good do you?
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Its interesting that the Judiciary take this view and one can only ponder why.
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Scarlett. Yes, I will keep my fond memories of Guernsey thankyou. I also know that Guernsey is -and will remain- a much more pleasant land than that which a limited -repeat ‘limited’ – group of contributors to this site portray.
To this I will add that if such a shocking situation as that which is being portrayed on this site truly exists – indeed a situation that cannot be satisfactorily addressed locally – then it is high time that you – and other folk like you with personal knowledge of this situation find the wherewithall to advance to the World Court of Human Rights to get the situation put right.
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Just like to add my comments.This sort of thing is going on all the time and it makes me sick to know that people are getting away with it. My son was abused by a guy that was supposed to be helping him. It was all hushed up and brushed under the carpet. why do these people continually walk away scott free, is it because it is not frowned upon by the top lot because they themselves think there is nothing wrong with it. Dave Jones i have had my disagreements with you in the past but i am on your side on this one and i am sorry for what you have been through growing up.
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I came across an interesting piece the other day concerning the Isle of Wight. Written by David Icke (yes I know) dated April of this year. True or not, lets just say heads up without getting paranoid. There is one thing that was reported as fact during the Haute de la Garenne case which is worth mentioning and that was that Guernsey had no record of how many children were sent from Guernsey to Jersey care services. The rest of this post is attributable to Icke.
“The island Social Services is a vehicle for the Satanists and paedophiles and its main role is not to protect the island’s children, but to protect the Satanists and paedophiles from exposure.
I have just come across a classic case in which the island ‘SS’ has systematically undermined a mother who had reported how her child had been sexually abused by the father for years. That child has now been taken from the mother and into ‘care’ (yeah, right) by Social Services while the father roams free unchallenged.
The story of this mother and child is not even rare – and certainly not here. The State stealing children from parents is becoming commonplace all over the world.
Satanist and paedophile rings always seek to control social services all over the world to (a) supply children for the rings and (b) cover up the rings’ activities. They certainly do so on the Isle of Wight.”
Note from admin: The full article may be read here – http://www.davidicke.com/articles/illuminati-criminals-mainmenu-58/33410-the-isle-of-wight-nice-place-shame-about-the-cesspit
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Wilson, can I say in your piece you said about people walking away scott free but if there is was like it reads no evidence when this boy was 4 years of age and now years on still no evidence then why should this father not walk scott free.
I hate what is happening like everyone else too this little boy but what I hate more and I don’t understand why it has gone through the papers this is not helping this little boy at all if so I think it will make him feel worse.Tell me what you think??
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Sarah, i can’t really answer that as i am not the little boy. All i can say is that from my own experience with my son, who was also young at the time,is that i tried to talk to him and reassure him that he did not do any wrong. My son refused to talk about it and to this day will not mention it. He has coped with it in his own way. Personally i would not have gone to the papers about it as i would have felt i was exploiting my son. But i do understand the need for closure but then again if a person is found guilty, do you ever really get closure. I really don’t know. People are different and we all have different coping strategies. But if i was the family i would name and shame and i would make sure that if he was near any children i would be saying something.
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Wilson
You say name and shame but why when there is no evidence looks like there was non when he was 4 and not now by the looks of things. I don’t know I JUST HOPE THAT BOY GETS HELP.
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I agree with many of the comments showcased on this page that it is beyond comprehension that sex abuse cases are being allowed to go unresolved if a person sexually abuses a child then the courts with evidence should resolve the case by imposing a sentence upon the perpetrator which reflects the naturem of the henious and lewd crime which that person has comitted surely? As for the idea that guernsey could suffer from the “haut de la Gareene taint” surely that risk is worth taking if it brings closure and justice to victims of sexual abuse and ensures that the abusers are punished for their crime.
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I felt compiled to add to this discussion.
It should not need to take someone that has suffered abuse to be able to make a stand. If we have problems with our Island we need someone in some kind of position that could make a difference. Isn’t Dave Jones a good example of this? We know our Deputies and Ministers sometimes need to do things that have different “agendas” but if it makes changes then so what!
The difficulty that Mr Jones will have is he cannot produce the additional funding that would be needed to resolve these kinds of problems, so it will still be left to the overworked social services departments to continue with the work that goes on everyday and never reach’s the local paper.
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Steven – david icke !!? he is either extraordinarily deluded or a master of exploiting gullability (or both). he declared publicly he is the son of god – do not know if he still thinks that. he is the grand daddy of all paranoia and conspiracy theory with no evidence to prove his mad mad theories. real life, including the awful lot of war and poverty ravaged people can be clearly and mundanely explained by stuff like strategic interests, real politic, limited resources, religion, cult of the leader, etc etc. you do not need icke’s madness to explain society’s bad stuff.
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It’s not that there is no evidence, it the fact that this boy was 4 when it was reported , they wont put a child thru court at that age.
so the abuser was de arrested. after several hours of no comment. he was convicted of possessing thousands of images some of these were of minors and distribution of said photo’s.
the young boys ordeal was brushed under the carpet as they had what they wanted.. an “operation ore” haul of photo’s.
trying to prosecute on a 4 yr olds evidence without dna , pathetic as it sounds was a HUGE miscarraige of justice.
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Donk, Social services Department (overworked) They are the biggest joke going.
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Why not a judicial review or similar looking at various test cases that were not brought before the court to determine *why* they were not?
Of course there is a natural reluctance to bring shame and create difficulties within any small community. There must also be the fear of the ‘can of worms’ syndrome – that there will be spurious allegations made by ‘victims’, but this must be balanced against the perception of secrecy and perception of denial that we see now.
To those who say that the procedure that I suggest is expensive in a time of austerity, then so are police investigations that result in nothing.
The danger for Deputy Jones is that he can be portrayed as prosecuting a political crusade; surely it needs to be made a legal one, paid for from the public purse, with the result visible to the public.
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Sarah, you keep going on about ‘where is the evidence’ – well, isn’t the mental state of a 14 year old boy sufficient evidence for you? Do you think he has made this up? Do you think he has spent the last 10 years working himself up into a frenzy concocting this story as some kind of vengeance for his mum?
You might not think going to the papers is the correct thing to do but they obviously did. The boy is probably sick of no one else in authority listening to him and is now resorting to desperate measures to get some kind of justice and to stop this man doing it to somebody else, becuase beleive me, he will be at it somewhere else.
I’m aware of the history behind FK’s story and I know the young girl that she refers to. The man who abused her (and the others) has been allowed to get off scot free. He has sat outside the child’s house watching her and taunting her to petrify her even more because he knows he has got away with it. Her mother contact the police and got that stopped but the point is, he has not been punished by the courts, is not on any sex offenders list and is allowed to carry on life as normal, interacting with children and roaming amongst us doing God knows what – if it was your child that had been abused wouldn’t you be trying everything possible to get that stopped? Maybe that is what this boy’s mother is also trying to do.
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C thomas Im sure the police looked it to this when the boy was 4 if there was anything wrong then Im sure they would of found something don;t know. So if the mother knew then what was happening why wait years until know? and to put this boy through this. I beleive this boy needs help I just beleive that going to the papers to me is wrong? VQ I understand what you are saying yes Im sure that boy is in a mental state but that would not stand up in court would it? I hate what is going on as much as anyone.
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Wilson- That is a view that a lot of people with have and sometimes it’s based on personal experiences. I am biased as I have a “connection” with social services so I see on a daily basis what is true. I will agree that there are funding/political issues which have an impact but when you talk to the frontline staff I would have to totally disagree with your comment that it is a “joke” as they still have the work to do!
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The G20 policeman who pushed over a demonstrator who died a few minutes later will not face charges, not due to a lack of evidence ( it’s been shown enough times on TV ) but because two,possibly three, pathologists cannot agree on the cause of death.
That doubt makes it likely that the case would be thrown out of Court
Just shows how difficult ,and sometimes embarrassing, the DPP’s job is
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If the Crown Officers decide, in good faith, that there is insufficient evidence against a suspect to proceed with criminal charges in a Court, then there really is not anything further that can realistically be done in bringing the perpetrator to justice. If, in such a case, a Prosecution is taken to Court in any event, even when the Crown knows it has insufficient evidence, only one thing will then happen: the Judge will acquit the defendant.
In the UK, the victim’s family would at least have the option of considering a private prosecution in the eventuality of the CPS or DPP deciding not to prosecute an offender. That is not an option which is open to the family in Guernsey. That is because only the Law Officers can prosecute alleged crimes in this island. There is no such thing as a private prosecution in Guernsey. Perhaps that is the real issue to debate?
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I have been a very close friend for many years of the ‘so called abuser’ I know and believe that NO ABUSE took place. This alleged abuse is purely a vendetta against the mothers ex husband. I could make many comments on here about this case as there are so many flaws in the story.. 1 being that the boy was told he would be taken away from his brothers and sisters if he said anything.
2 My friend apparently stares through the window at the boy when he drives past the house, now to stare through the window you would have to stop on a busy main road and get out and stand in the garden to look through the window.
There is also no mention of the hassle my friend has been through as a result of the mother’s and stepfather’s doing.
The reason there is no evidence is beause nothing happened!
Would you really want to go public with something like this?? The boy has to go to school! The reason they wanted to go public is because they just want to get at my friend.
Dont get me wrong im not condoning child abuse if somebody has abused a child throw the book at the i say.
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JamieC| July 23, 2010 at 8:46 am, Ross| July 23, 2010 at 4:59 pm -
i agree very much with your posts – at last some practical, rational ideas, without the hysteria (though I concede it may have been the hysteria that indirectly gave rise to the ideas).
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Donk i have to disagree with you,Social Services are a complete waste of space. I once asked them for some help due to a personal problem. They offered my child a befriender who would take my child out once a week. I trusted them to take care of my child. What i did not know was that they had delivered my child straight into the hands of a child sex offender. That had nothing to do with funding. That was down to negligence has they had failed to check out the befrienders partners background. What do you have to say about that.
Also children at le carrefour are supposed to be cared for, not so when they are walking the streets at 2 and 3 o’clock in the morning. I could say alot more but what is the point nobody really listens.
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oh people listen when it comes to the carrefor i can agree with that, just not anyone AT the carrefor.
The problem with the carrefor and the way they attempt to get children back on track is they Lump all the children in the same building the result of this is that young children with minor issues are put with unsuitable peers, the result of this is staff are unable to do didly squat to stop it, except take pocket money away.
dont get me wrong i support the staff fully, thier hands are tied,
But drugs , alchohol drinking , aerosol sniffing, self harming and underage liasons are commonplace, Not condoned i may add, but unfortunaly its like a borstal without the rules, they run riot in there and all the staff can do is hand out black looks.
They can’t even stop the children leaving at the wee hours of the morning.
but ask around.
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so Elizabeth, your undoubtably aware of your Friends grooming incident and the indecent images he supplied to other pedophiles i take it ?
or was that all lies too ?
oh and no evidence , dear oh dear you really have No idea at all of what your so called friend is capable of do you.
Such a pity he lies so well.
But the truth will out, this is only the beggining.
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“The father-daughter liaison satisfies instinctual drives in a setting where mutual alliance with an omnipotent adult condones the transgression . . .
The act offers an opportunity to test in reality an infantile fantasy whose consequences are found to be gratifying and pleasurable . . .
The ego’s capacity for sublimation is favored by the pleasure afforded by incest . . .
Such incestuous activity diminishes the subject’s chance of psychosis and allows for a better adjustment to the external world.
There is often found little deleterious influence on the subsequent personality of the incestuous daughter . . .
One study found that the vast majority of them were none the worse for their experience.”
Wow, that’s an extreme attempt to justify sexually abusing your children, it must have been written by some peadophile nutbag or someone from the dark-ages right? Apparently not.
That, incredibly disturbing, analysis was written in the 1972 edition of the ‘Comprehensive Textbook of Psychiatry’.
As recently as 1976, a leading psychiatric textbook claimed that actual incest between father and daughter occurred only once in a million cases (Freedman, Kaplan, and Sadock, 1976)
The Women’s Liberation Movement challenged this situation stimulating clinical and research interests. Solid epidemiological studies determined that one in four females and one in nine males were in some way sexually molested by their eighteenth birthday. (Bedgley Report, 1984)
For decades, before and after Freud, allegations of abuse were assumed to be fantasies or lies. On those rare occasions when sexual activity was acknowledged, the child was usually blamed for seducing the adult (Berliner & Conti 1981).- What type of person would blame a child for seducing an adult? Seriously, stop, think about it, what type of person?
“when the experience actually stimulates the child erotically, it would appear that it may favor rather than inhibit the development of social capabilities and mental health in the so-called victims” (cited by Dziech & Schudson, 1989
Nineteen-Eighty-Nine and the term ‘so-called victims’ was still being used!
It’s time to expose the liars and the betrayers of children. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
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Elizabeth,
It is very admirable that you are standing up for your friend but can you really, truly be certain that he is so innocent as he has convinced you that he is?
Abusers are incredibly manipulative and can hide even the merest hint of their nature from those closest to them – I know as my Grandad is such a creature. Even now, 40 years on, I have to listen to the rest of my family marvelling a what a fantastic, wonderful person he is and how much they all adore him knowing how he treated me. These are members of my family that were in the house whilst it was going on and to this day have no idea whatsoever that he could even remotely be capable of abuse.
Do you really think that your friend would actually admit abusing his son to you or anyone else? The answer is no – so the best that he can do is to convince those that will listen what a virtuous soul he is. Ask yourself again – can you really, truly be certain that he is innocent? I would suggest that the only person that could possibly be truly certain of that would be him.
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Elizabeth. Truly, I too am guilty of leaping to friends’ defences, as they are a friend, and I am loyal to them…however….
some years ago, a very, (very) old friend of mine was accused of something similar. He declared his absolute innocence to me and everyone else who’d listen. I supported him, unquestioningly, as he told me of how his partner ‘had it in for him’ and how she and the system were all against him, and wrong.
Unfortunately, over time, it became apparent that what he said just didn’t add up. There were too many discrepancies/ changes in his ‘story’. Eventually, I had to admit my own misgivings to myself, that is, he did it, and he’s lying.
I felt devastated, a fool, betrayed, and above all, a very disloyal friend.
I am absolutely NOT saying that in this case, your friend isn’t innocent, simply that sometimes our emotions can cloud our judgements, especially when admitting the truth of what someone close to us has done (maybe someone who we even trusted with our own children…?) is just too awful, and the implications too horrible to contemplate.
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c thomas
Can I just say the way you are talking about (this is just the beggining) it sound like you have a vendetta and you know more then meets the eye? why cant people just get on with there own lives? I hope this little boy gets help soon and moves on and the family. Thats all we want if it’s not going any further?
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Its not surprising that years ago prosecutions were not very forthcoming. More recently I had believed things to have changed for the better, but stories like this do make you wonder!!
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