Dangerous dogs pose a problem
Thursday 5th August 2010, 2:30PM BST.
AN UNKNOWN number of dangerous, uncontrollable and unpredictable dogs are in the island because the GSPCA will not accept them.
GSPCA welfare officer Lorna Prince said the society does not exist to mop up the island’s problem dogs. She estimated it has taken 30 calls this year from owners of uncontrollable pets that resulted in the charity refusing to home the animals. (Picture by Adrian Miller, 1007482)
The society’s welfare officer, Lorna Prince, said it was a problem, but they could not risk taking them on.
‘People think we are here to mop up society’s problem dogs,’ she said.
‘We can’t.’
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Were have these dogs come from? local breeders?
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Oh hear we go, lets jump on the UK bandwagon shall we…and I suppose the majority of “dangerous dogs” are Staffs and bull terrier “types”?
I wondered how long this would take!
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Whatever breed of dog it is I think they all deserve a fair assesment of behaviour. Every dog should be assesed in the same way. I have very nearly been attacked by a few dogs. A JRT bit me and I was almost attacked by a GSD and a great dane. All ‘staffs’ and other ‘bull terrier types’ that I know are great dogs
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This doesn’t make sense
“AN UNKNOWN number of dangerous, uncontrollable and unpredictable dogs are in the island because the GSPCA will not accept them”
This implies that there are dogs in the island because the GSPCA won’t have them… The reason they are here is because the GSPCA won’t keep them?? That doesn’t make any sense…..
Do they mean simply GSPCA won’t take on dangerous dogs??
Surely the dogs being on the island is irrelevant to whether the GSPCA will take them on…
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So what do the GSPCA actually do? It is their problem, that is why people donate to the society, to look after and re-train dogs where necessary and appropriate and re-home them. That is what the RSPCA do in the UK. If that cannot be done after all effort is made then the only very sad answer is to have the animal euthanised. Unfortunately for the animal they end up with the wrong owners in the first place. Seems to me the GSPCA have a lovely big building and no animals and have got used to not doing an awful lot for the animals on the island who need welfare and help. It makes my blood boil!
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No animals??!?! I’d check if I was you, at the moment they have over 100 cats/kittens. . . . and they did have dogs until last week when they were re-homed. . .I think they still have some!
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@ Meeshhka
It Doesnt matter if they’re run over with animals, when Animal aid was still around and they had no room for any animal, they still accepted it no matter what.
GSPCA just doesnt want to deal with the problem. most of the dogs turn out like this by the way they are brought up.
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GSPCA not taking in unpredictable dogs. What next – Les Nicolles and the Castel turning away people of dubious merit or mental capacity?
“Very nearly attacked by a few dogs” Meeshka? What did they all do – give you a warning that next time they might bite?
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there is no straight answer to this. Some people will say that AA contributed to the issue by bringing in the UK dogs.
At the end of the day every dog deserves a fair assesment. If the dogs are really not suitable for ANY home then what can be done (dogs that bite with no warning, dogs that have attacked children etc). If there is no physical room for a dog what can you do? where do you put it?
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Dont punish the breed but make the owners responsible by fines. Bull Terriers unfortunately will kill other animals whereas GSD are more likely to bite people (thats why the Police use them)
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If there is no room then where do they put them? Do tell
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Can’t we just put them down then? I don’t want to get bitten.
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Firstly, it is not the GSPCA’s problem to take on these dogs, its the people who bought them over [if they are from uk shelters] and also owners that couldn’t be bothered to train their dogs/ puppies then expect others to sort the problem out while they probably move on to the next dog.
As for animal aid i thought they had closed down but Sue is still rehoming dogs and cats. If any of the problem dogs came through her it should be her not the gspca that take them back.
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If they are full how can they take more? where do they put them? If you have ideas then ring them, im sure they want GOOD ideas
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Andy – “Bull Terriers unfortunately will kill other animals”.
Bull Terriers just don’t go around killing other animals for the sake of it. If a dog is trained to kill then it will, whatever breed it may be. If labradors were the dog of choice for all these chavs that think dog fighting is cool, they’d be the breed that would be banned!
I have been around and owned many bull terriers and have never been the victim of any attacks and feel very safe in the fact my children have been brought up around them. Other type of dogs, particularly the fluffy, yapping type who have a problem with everything that walks past them, have gone for my dogs on quite a few occasions and they’ve never retaliated with any aggression whatsoever, simply because they have been brought up correctly and are of excellent standard.
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Sanquine – can’t we just put you down? I don’t want to read you.
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I saw a few down follies last sat night.
Very scary.
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GSPCA is absolutely right in taking this stance. if they took all these animals they would be overwhelmed and their overall service to the island would suffer. if they do take them and cannot rehome, the animals must be put down. GSPCA have to say no sometimes to keep afloat. animal aid could not say no and went under because they were too sentimental. you could say that has resulted in more animals in need. i bet these posters demanding gSPCA sort out the problem will not be willing to donate any necessary extra money. the root has to be tackled not just the end problem.
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Unfortunately this has become a Nationwide problem.
I know Lorna Prince, and know that she used to work for a well known dog and cat home in the UK, particulary with Staffordshire Bull Terriers, and is that she is very fond of Staffies and similar breeds
I therefore don’t think that the GSPCA are intentionally trying to stereotype that particular breed.
The sad fact is that there are the few idiots that think that by owning this type of dog will make them have a ‘hard’ image. They take on these dogs, with little or no intention of training or socialising them, and the result is uncontrollable and in some cases, dangerous dogs. They then find that they can’t cope with them, and it’s at that point that they try and dump them on animal charities. The charities obviously can’t re-home a dog which is potentially dangerous, so it’s a catch 22 situation.
Of course, any untrained and unsocialised dog can be potentially dangerous, from a Staffie, to a Golden Retriever to a Poodle! A Poodle however wouldn’t quite live up to the ‘image’ that some owners are trying to portray!
We’ve had a rescue Staffie from Animal Aid for around 6 years, and after having been trained and socialised from an early age, is obedient and gentle with other animals and children.
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I think the GSPCA should do a ‘workshop’ to assess these dogs infront of the owner. . .do all the tests they carry out, taking food/toys from the dog, play the sound effect tape (fireworks, crying baby etc) and show the owners that they have a good (or not dog). Is it really that these dogs mentioned in the paper are dangerous dogs, or is it that the owner cant be bothered?????
Do these workshops and see how many people really turn up!!
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There is no such thing as a ‘dangerous breed of dog’. End of. No breed is any more susceptible to being viscious than any other! It is the way they are trained and perceived that makes them this way (training mostly). Ask a vet, a Rotty is more calm, collected and less likely to bite than a Scottie. Sorry if you disagree but its true. The owners who bought the dogs over in the first place should be penalised not the animals. GSPCA have a job to do, and should be doing it. If the dog attacks while in the GSPCAs control then put it down. But at least give them a chance.
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Irony Alert
Person defending dangerous dog breeds attacks other poster.
And we wonder why some dogs are dangerous!?!?
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Under the fur and feather there is a puppy farm advertising there pups-I have reported this to the Uk RSPCA as I have witnessed this farm for my self.why oh why are gsy allowing them to adverise in our press. Slightly off subject but needs to be made public
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Sorry Starscream and others saying they (certain breeds) aren’t dangerous,
If I had a choice between pulling a scottie or a pitbull or similar off a small child it’d be the dog with not-so-powerful head/jaw muscles every time. Just getting the thing to release it’s victim is hard enough.
No one seems to have mentioned this?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/nov/30/boy-killed-dog-attack
It’s just being in denial of physical fact if you alledge a poodle is less hard to pull off a victim than a pit bull. They’re built/bred to be tough and to have jaws that will crush bone and stay shut. For this reason I think they’re weapons as potentially deadly as guns/knives and should be treated with as much caution. People still own guns, but they don’t walk around town with them last I checked?
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Lady Fleur and Andy you are talking a load of rubbish.
Andy you are now an expert on Bull Terriers and GSD’s are you?
Lady Fleur check news reports on Battersee Dogs Home on the amoun they put down.
Sanguine what a silly thing to say.
BSL Blah and Sarnia the only sensible posts in here.
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the worst dog bite I have ever seen was from a cute ‘family’ dog, a retriever. These dogs are trained to retrieve and not let go.
People think these are ‘safe’ dogs to grow up with their kids.
Just shows that any breed is capable of hurting you.
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If they’re loose and dangerous, round them up and put them down. If the owner can be traced, fine them.
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DogsBody – For this reason I think they’re weapons as potentially deadly as guns/knives and should be treated with as much caution. People still own guns, but they don’t walk around town with them last I checked?
You are talking total nonsense. I walk around with my two Bull Terriers often, doesn’t mean they’re about to pull you down because you’re wearing a Man U top for instance, rip you apart and lock on to your neck til you’re dead. For goodness sake, stop being so stereotypical. These dogs would only be dangerous if their idiot owners brought them up to be violent, punish the deed not the breed!
I think everybody is jumping to conclusions anyway, is there facts/evidence that these “dangerous dogs” and the 30 owners that have called in are actually Bull Terriers of any sort?
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Gavin – dear oh dear. Have you actually read the article? Or are you deluded? Who said there’s dogs on the loose, killing everything that moves?
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Dogsbody – I never said I wouldn’t prefer to pull a smaller dog off someone if attacked. I was stating that certain breeds are not dangerous it is HOW THEY ARE TRAINED. Of course you’d be more willing to remove a smaller dog, however that in no way means that it’s the bigger dogs that do it!
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Meeshka – Cat/kittens (and dogs until last week?) Aren’t they supposed to care for all sick/homeless animals. No-one has actually said that these ‘dangerous’ dogs are actually bull terrier types, people are just assuming because they have such a bad press. We are all agreed though aren’t we, that it’s not the dogs fault, it’s the owner, so to assume blame on Sue for bringing dangerous dogs into the island from rescue centres in the UK is premature. I’m sure the rescue centres in the UK wouldn’t re-home a potentially dangerous dog of any breed, so once again it comes down to the owner! I understand the UK are trying to bring back the licence fee for a dog and the cost would be in the region of £100 per year. I’m all for that, I’d pay that to keep my dogs. (Now we’re going to get on the bandwagon about responsible owners who can’t afford the licence fee, but that isn’t the issue we’re talking about here). The stupid, ignorant thugs who walk around with terrier type dogs that have been trained to be agressive and used as a threat or a weapon need to be addressed surely? There is a very good deterrent on the market called PetCorrector, it’s and aerosol and it emits a very loud hissing sound and it is used also as a training aid to deter unwanted behaviour in dogs. I’ve read and seen the reports about Battersea John, it’s not the same as what is happening here. The issue here is that GSPCA wont take them in. Battersea do, they try to re-train and re-home where safe and appropriate. Sadly, when that isn’t appropriate and the animal is so disturbed by the way it’s life has been then the kindest thing is to let it rest in peace and put it to sleep. Battersea are over-run with bull terrier types that have been confiscated or abandoned by their owners, they have been impossible to re-train and re-home. Our society has a lot to answer for to the animal kingdom.
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I think the key here is “dangerous”, and the simple fact of the matter is a Bull Terrier is a more dangerous dog than others simply because of genetics, its musculature, strength, Terrier disposition. I know if I were to be attacked by a dog, I’d much rather be attacked by a Shi-Tzu than a bull terrier.
Yes any dog can be agressive, and probably 75% of a dogs behaivour comes from Nuture, and the quality of its upbringing/ life etc. But its the other 25% I worry about.
Bull Terrier dogs in 2007 are attributed to 67% of all dog attacks in America despite only being 1% of the canine population, a pretty damning statistic in itself.
But more worrying is if you get bitten by a poodle, yes it could leave a nasty scar. But a similar attack by a bull terrier is a lot worse, like comparing a catapult to an AK47!
I was a first hand witness(i.e standing right next to the victim) when a 17 stone healthy man got attacked by his best friends Bull Terrier.
This was a dog who we saw (and cuddled) every day for months which suddenly and without provacation, snapped.
I was a dog lover until that very terrifying moment, what was left of this guys face will never be repaired. There was nothing wrong with the owner in this circumstance. I do occasionally ask myself the question, what if it had chosen me instead of Paul?
I’m not saying every single Bull Terrier is dangerous, but all dogs by definition have an unpredictability factor, aside from the fact statistcs argue that dogs of these types are infact more unpredictable, it still begs the question, would you rather be attacked by a catapult, or an AK47??
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AK47…. less accurate
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There is no such thing as a bad dog; only a bad owner. If you have a potentially dangerous, uncontrollable or unpredictable dog, you are are responsible as the owner. We have an excellent provision of dog trainers in Guernsey; PAY for the help to address the issue.
I think that we are lucky to have the GSPCA and I would much rather see their time rescuing unloved or even worse, abused animals, instead taking on untrained dogs due to poor owners.
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Maybe if the GSPCA Did not spend the publics donations on meals out for staff and did not sit around drinking coffee all day then they might find the money/time to deal with such animals,I thought that charities were run by volunteers and did not take a wage-
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Coco
I think your “signature” says all we need to know about the motivation behind your post.
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No motivation I am just telling you the facts of what goes on.
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Coco, I have no doubt that you beleive your intentions are just.
It would be nice to think that the bickering and sniping between the 2 groups will cease at some point though.
Nicki
I disagree with your first point, sometimes you will get a human that is just nasty, with no nurturing explanation for it. Animals are exactly the same they are all born with their own personality, sometimes (unfortunately)that personality is less than ideal. Dogs, Cats, Elephants, Geese…….
Although I do agree that instead of trying to pass the buck onto the GSPCA as this article suggest many do, owners should do everything they can to train, rehabilitate, and most of all love the animal, afterall a dog is for life etc.
Your last paragraph is spot on.
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coco | August 6, 2010 at 5:02 pm
Maybe if the GSPCA Did not spend the publics donations on meals out for staff and did not sit around drinking coffee all day then they might find the money/time to deal with such animals,I thought that charities were run by volunteers and did not take a wage-
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coco – i thought i would repeat your post so as many people as possible could see it for what it is – a carping, pathetic attack on a decent island organisation. they have rules and limits (animal centered) and i bet you did not fancy them. they are not perfect but are still running and helping animals within their limits. animal aid were volunteers and had too-flexible rules and are no longer functioning. gspca are a professionally based group. because you disagree with their stance, you would deny them a coffee. you really take the biscuit (i am sure you would deny them that too).
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Coco – the clown.
Not the first thread where your circus calling has exhibited itself either.
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have nothing else to say. Any breed of dog is capeable of a bite.
If someone wishes to go to rescue centres and find out true facts and figures then maybe this arguement will be cleared up.
All the best
Meeshka (ex GSPCA staff)
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BSL and Starscream
Get real guys. Everyone understands you can train say a Staffy or Bull Terrier to behave. I’d even go so far to say I like the temperament of lady Staffs. The boys on the other hand- you just have to look at their head shape and size to realise what they’re best at; namely holding on and never, ever, letting go. The resulting injuries are leagues worse- life-changingly worse, and that’s my issue with your assertion that any dog will cause society equal grief if not trained properly.
Think about it; you could and would kick a Shi Tzu into orbit if it was trying to bite your leg; yet you’re honestly trying to tell me it’s just as dangerous an animal? Are you trying to kid us all into thinking you can train say, a Dogos Argentinos (wikipedia it along with “Cordoban fighting dog”) into being safe around the neighbours kids?
Furthermore – If I saw you walking through town with your Bullies, I’m sorry to say I’d steer well clear of your dogs, even if you’d stickered “I am the greatest dog trainer in the world” to your head. I simply have no idea what your dogs are like- so would rather not risk going within lunge-length of them.
But hey, it’s a free island, you can do what you like, and I’m sure your dogs get as much positive reaction as negative.
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Bull Terriers were in fact bred to round sheep ?
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Really Andy?
http://www.thebullterrierclub.com/html/bt%20history.htm
Given this is the very website that might do well to proactively promote the breed as safe, the caveat at the end speaks volumes.
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There is really only one sensible answer here and that is to get rid of all dogs, they are DIRTY, smelly, stupid, drain on society.
What about spending the money wasted on them on important items.
If I could have my way I would ban them from the Island, and as the saying goes “show me a dog and I will show you an abused animal”
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Andy Bull terriers wre not bred to round sheep or they would be called Sheep Terriers they were bred for Bull baiting get your facts right
Joe King another load of rot
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Joe King
I completely concur.
Especially the type of dogs that people only get as an extention of their manhood, such as these PitBull Dogs and Rottweilers.
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Joe and IP – I can’t actually believe your comments were shown, what a waste of my time to read such idiotic text!
Andy – are you serious? pmsl Rounding up sheep? Where did you get that information from?
And by the way, I don’t parade around town with my dogs, I take them to places where they can roam like parks and beaches, I’m not a chav and didn’t get the dogs to walk around town with them to look hard. I would only laugh if you crossed the street anyway, makes me chuckle every time, such naivety in grown adults, so engrossed on how the media portrays the breed, you believe all the hype. My dogs would only lick you to death given half the chance!
I got them because they are well known for the their loyal, loving traits and the fact they are excellent with children and are so daft and silly to watch.
You might all learn something from this site.
http://www.ddawatch.co.uk/index.html
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Swine Flue – they’re more unpredictable only if that’s how they are raised. They’re no more unpredictable to biting or attacking than a Jack Russel would be, they’re just feared more because of their size and stature. They’re undoubtedly very powerful animals.
The core problem with Staffs and alike being taken into homes and overcrowding the service is because they’re so over-bred, people are cashing in, most of these pups are not KC registred and they’re certainly not health checked. People can pick these puppies up for as little as £100, they have no idea where they’re from, what their bloodlines are, what their history is and the majority of pups from these backstreet breeders are the ones that end up clogging up the shelters after more than likely suffering a life of abuse and neglect. Staffies are hard work, they need a lot of time and attention, half the people getting these dogs couldn’t care a less about that, they just want a “hard” looking dog!
The core problem is there is no restrictions on breeding and until the Government puts something in place (which they never will) the problem will continue to escalate.
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You both have a point there I P Freeley and Joe King
I have no problems with my friend’s friendly black Labrador but the breeds you mention, I P Freeley, should be regarded not as pets but as offensive weapons.
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Why are my comments idiotic BSL?? (If that is indeed your real name)
I see many manhood extending dangerous dogs when I am out enjoying the lovely sunshine, frankly, their mere presence usually ruins my walk, what with their sniffing growling and slobbering!
Although most of the people I see them with do appear to need some form of “enhancement”, but the least you could do is pick up after yourselves!!!
Or is the poo more dangerous too!!!
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Oh Martino – didn’t think you’d find yourself on this post, you’re normally boring the pants of everybody with your attacks on anything and everything on the more political subjects!
Stick to what you know, which certainly isn’t Bull Breeds!
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Sorry BSL, my first and last on this thread. I do try to keep to the subjects I know about (I’ll admit bull breeds isn’t one of them) but that was/is my perception of bull breeds and it is the perception of a lot of other people as well. That’s a problem for you who do know more to address and this is my final word on this subject. Promise!
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Good point Martino.
BSL, Martino admits he isnt in the know about certain breeds of dog. However the massive public perception of breeds such as yours and Rottweilers is that they are lethal, bred to fight and kill.
Its not true, but by attacking the people who may not know as much as you, you further alienate them to your cause!
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IP – your comment was senseless and stereotypical.
I pick up after my dogs every time, but that’s because I’m a responsible dog owner and respect other people also use the areas my dogs do, including my daugther and other children.
These dogs “sniffing, growling and slobbering”, where do you see them exactly? are they bull breeds or is this every dog you come across? Sounds like there’s some congretation of chavs/
Also, I’m oblivious to these owners needing “enhancements” and “extending manhood” – I think maybe you have other things on your mind and it isn’t the furry 4-legged variety!?
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The Man – I’m bored of the ignorance shown towards dogs such as mine, that’s all. I could talk and fight their cause all day but it’s the comments and sheer ignorance that gets to me more than anything. The media is to blame.
Pretty much all dog attacks in England go unreported in the press, unless of course it’s a Staff or what they fondly call a “pit bull type” – gets more press ya see!
I know what my dogs are, where they’re from, they’re history through generations, I couldn’t be more sure I have the best examples of the breed, but people looking down on me like I’m some sort of chav or irrepsonsible owner is most certainly unjust!
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BSL – “I take them to places where they can roam like PARKS and beaches”
I hope you live in the UK because letting your dogs ‘roam’ is illegal in Guernsey parks.
All dogs need to be on leads in our parks or the owner is breaking the law, under ‘The Control of Dogs Ordinance (1992).’
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You all have something to say on the above subject, why don’t you all do something consructive and help out. I think people just need educating when it comes to certain breed of dogs as in the wrong hands SOME could be dangerous
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BSL
When I usually see them sniffing growling and slobbering they are usally by my legs!
Its not difficult to spot BSL, next time you should look around at your fellow attack dog owners.
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Mrs P – who said I let them roam OFF THE LEAD? Another do-gooder jumping on the bandwagon, why don’t you add something valuable to the subject instead of making yourself look like an interfering old biddy?
You should get yourself to Saumarez and Delancey Parks on a Sunday morning and tell that to the 80 year olds that have their Cocker Spaniels and Yorkshire’s off the leads! No, you’d rather just sneer and look down your nose at the likes of me with my “dangerous” out of control, pit bulls!
puh…..enough already……
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IP – enough of you already, your ignorance is bliss to you, keep thinking how you do, I’m sure it will get you a long way in life!
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All dogs should be banned from all beaches.
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IPF – those dogs are not an extension of their owners’ manhood. They are a substitute for it.
And as for coco the clown asserting that people need educating…………try a bit of inward investment first.
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IP having worked for the GSPCA I had more bites from the likes of small snappy dogs than I ever did from the likes of your so called killer dogs I think your posts are just to wind people up because you and Andy certainly know nothing about dogs
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John – very true. I don’t think I’ll even bother reading any more from IP, let alone replying.
Sophie – wow, what a good idea! For what reason should they be banned, why shouldn’t they and their owners enjoy what other Islanders enjoy? I bet you don’t set foot on the beach in the winter months, my dogs on the other hand spend a lot of time during those months enjoying the beach -why shouldn’t they?
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John
Really, perhaps you should have treated the small dogs with the same respect as the attack dogs then.
I know plenty about dogs thank you, although the next time I want to be covered in spittle, my leg humped, or bitten by flea ridden man killers I know exactly what internet forum to to come to and who to speak to.
BSL
I’m far from ignorant, maybe it is you who needs educating.
They say a dog takes after their owner!
Well you are attacking a lot of people on here BSL, I truly hope for the publics sake that your dogs arent learning from their master.
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Hey BSL darhling!
Wow! You have a “dangerous and out of control Pitbull!” That’s pretty cool, sorry I missed that as I didn’t read all of the comments but no wander you want to keep it on a lead, very responsible.
But to comment further on your post “who said I let them roam OFF THE LEAD?”
Well you see it’s just the Oxford English Dictionary and I happen to have the same definition in mind for ‘roam’ and it doesn’t involve someone struggling to control a powerful dog on the end of a bit of string.
http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_gb0714050#m_en_gb0714050
Do you notice that the Tigers (raaaaaaaah Tigers cool!), Elephants and Youths referred to in the definition are all untethered?
I don’t like getting up early at my age so atually I think that it’s YOU that should “get yourself to Saumarez and Delancey Parks on a Sunday morning” and do something to improve the image of dog owners by taking these law breakers to task.
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For those who claim the dogs are an extension of ‘manhood’ do i take it the reason you dont have dogs yourselves is that there isnt a breed big enough to make up for your appalling lack of the aforementioned manhood.Never mind ,carry on slagging off dogs and their owners ,it obviously gives you a desperately needed ego boost.
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@ BSL
So for you killing humans > dogs, nice. That really suggests your level of maturity then doesn’t it?
Don’t read me then, but a least put these animals down, our children deserve to be safe!
Why won’t you think of the children?
The money spent on taking care of these man made animals could be spend on the health system!
Somebody please think of the children!!
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Mrs P – really, are you THAT bored? What a useless post. You don’t even have anything of relevance to add apart from foolish posts which I half read.
John – “attack dogs” is that what these bull breeds are, just “attack dogs”? What a great way with words you have. You are very ignorant and haven’t posted anything decent on this entire topic. You’re boring and obviously have some kind of hygeine issue if dogs are slobbering over your legs and trying to hump you, and consiering they’re all “flea ridden”, that proves you intelligence and knowledge on dogs really is pathetic. Go away and post nonsense elsewhere.
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I dont know who you are Joe King but you are certainly ignorant. How dare you say “dogs are an abused animal” and how dare you say they are smelly and stupid and a drain on society. They are not smelly if looked after correctly and you sound far more stupid than any dog. If you had a member of your family that was blind or deaf would you be saying that if they were fortunate enough to have one of those well-trained dogs to look after them. Sorry, but its selfish people like you that spoil the world we live in.
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Unfortunately, this is Guernsey not England. It’s a much smaller operation here with a darn sight less funding.
Where in England they have the resources (staff & money) to try to retrain dangerous dogs, let’s face it, they just don’t here so are left with no option to either turn the dog away or else have it put down.
A different thought though instead of bashing them – at least if the GSPCA turn the dog away instead of putting it down then it has a chance of being rehomed with someone who will be able to put the time, money and indeed love in to retrain it instead of it dying.
- and for the record, I randomly discovered that a rotweiler of all dogs is actually (if bred and raised properly) a very good family dog and great around children so goes to show really no “evil” dog can be deemed so purely on its breed.
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BSL
You seem to be getting very angry now!
Is that what your dogs do when they dnot get what they want??
I’ll say it again, as you dont appear to be understanding…..
A Dog is much like their owner, the owner of your dogs is attacking everyone on this thread, I hope that your dogs dont take after you!
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Caris
Actually for me, Killer dogs and their selfish owners that make this world a worse place to live in, a few people on an internet forum dont have too much effect on my day either way!
If you feel like that about peoples valid fears then I despair!
Also I’m noticing a trend on people who are defending the killer dogs, your arguements are getting very heated, with actually very little in the way of fact, which may make people more understanding to your cause. However by getting very angry (like a dog would), you are proving our points for us!
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Wombat & Caris – at last, decent posts!
Does anybody actually know what breed of dogs these are supposed to be? I mean, it does say 30 owners have phoned up asking for help, owners of what exactly?
If anybody from the GSPCA is reading this, please enlightes us to the facts. Thank you.
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Sanquine – I had to read your post a few times to make sense of it. I think the site you’re looking for is RSPCC!
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@ BSL
You had to read a few times,…. hmmm ok! Call the RSPCC when an evil hound bites a child indeed!
Maybe after the police, ambulance and something to put the dog down I will…..
Couldn’t agree more IP, there are so many owners who thing that their dogs have a right to be as violent and as ignorant as they are!
Pitbulls for e.g. are usually owned by meatheads anyway. Whenever I see these big violent dogs, you know the owner might just be a knuckle dragger, or such low self esteem/IQ that they need these vicious monsters to terrify the general public!
I fear for the Children who just want to pet these dogs but instead they get ripped limb from limb!!!!
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Sanguine
Yes quite right!
I beleve the saying is “a child is for life, not just for christmas”
as opposed to
“A child is for life, until you get a dog”
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Gnasher ….me thinks you need to get a life and get your facts right
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This makes my day every time I read this thread.
The fact of the matter is, like people, dogs all differ in behaviour and manner. Their upbringing will describe how they spend the rest of their lives. no one breed is more dangerous than the other. Yes some are stronger than others, and if it does attack it will cause more harm (therefore make the papers) it does not mean that it happens more. Smaller dogs can be just as vicious (and snappy – dont believe me? ask a vet) but as they are smaller they lack strength and if bitten will not hurt as much as a bigger dog. Same as if a child hits you compared to an adult.
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Starscream (any relation to Megatron??)
Glad that I can even be just a small part of making your day (I do like making people happy)!!
In that respect I am very sorry to have to point out the glaring contradiction in your post. (I hope that this doesnt ruin your day!)
You state that some dogs are stronger and would cause more harm if they attack, then you go on to state that smaller less attack-able dogs are equally as vicious.
So assuming an equal viciousness quotient between small snappy dogs and larger stronger breeds, doesnt that by definition make the bigger fighting style dogs more dangerous to humans, children and ducks??
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You all should remember that dogs are only a VERY small genetic step from Wolfs regardless of there breed.. There are NOT our children or little humans they are the off spring of wolfs.. If you keep a wolf in you house, You must expect issues at some point in their lifes as dogs will quickly fall back on their instincts if the situation requires it or they feel there is no alternative.. Weather that’s trying to bite the vet or barking at the postman or peeing on the mat..
But here the secret to having a good dog…..
Good discipline
Good training
Good care
For the above.. there is plenty of help out there.. The Vets, GSPCA & Guernsey dog club to name a couple..
Use them, Cuz it’s the rest of us that pay the penalty if you don’t.
A dog owner
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All dog’s should be put down as the world would be a better place..
Regards
The Cat
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Thats a good point actually IP
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MelC & Starscream – excellent posts, they both make so much sense and anybody with half a brain would learn a lot just from those few paragraphs!
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Sanquine – “Pitbulls for e.g. are usually owned by meatheads anyway. Whenever I see these big violent dogs……blah blah blah”..
Where do you see them? Because Pitbulls are illegal in the UK and Guernsey?
It’s funny, because there are thousands of bull terrier types in England, thousands upon thousands, one of the most popular breeds in the UK, yet there seem to be very few “violent” attacks in comparison to the amount of dogs!
I’m assuming you’ve read or seen on the news about 5 instances of these devil, dangerous “weapons” in your life time, yet think you have the right (and ignorance) to judge every dog with your derogatory, lame and non-factual comments towards dogs and owners alike.
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Come to Delancey Park this evening IP..let me show you how “killer”, “evil”, “dangerous” my dogs are! Pleeeease!?
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John – apologies. Was not directed at you at all, I mean IP!!
BSL
| August 10, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Mrs P – really, are you THAT bored? What a useless post. You don’t even have anything of relevance to add apart from foolish posts which I half read.
John – “attack dogs” is that what these bull breeds are, just “attack dogs”? What a great way with words you have. You are very ignorant and haven’t posted anything decent on this entire topic. You’re boring and obviously have some kind of hygeine issue if dogs are slobbering over your legs and trying to hump you, and considering they’re all “flea ridden”, that proves your intelligence and knowledge on dogs really is pathetic. Go away and post nonsense elsewhere.
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IP – clearly just trying to wind people up and not read things through properly. the stronger dogs can be considered of greater danger to humans…. if they were as snappy and bad tempered as the smaller dogs.
Again compare a baby to an adult. then actually go and see the dogs being walked…small dog yap at everything… big dog plod along without a care in the world.
You want BIG proof of this, watch the huskeys being walked.
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Starscream
I understood completely what you wrote, maybe you should proof read your posts then because you are clearly not making the poinths that you intend to.
If I have to spell it out for you, you said smaller dogs can be “just as vicious”!
Not “more vicious” or “twice as vicious”.
If you meant something different, clearly you should have typed something different!!
BSL, I love how you are rather tamely agreeing with posts (like a lap dog) that dont even make sense because you deem they help your cause, when in fact they just make your points even more redunant.
I’d say the killer dog lovers/ owners on this thread have done nothing but harm their dogs reputations.
I have observed you and your dogs at Delancy BSL, and my above observations stand!
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IP – putting it from your point of view small dogs ‘can be just as vicious’ and seeing as you think that big dogs are dangerous and smaller dogs aren’t my point still stands.
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IP Freely – “observed”. You really need to get out more and sort out that problem you have with hygeine and dogs humping and slobbering over you.
You’re just annoying now. Won’t read you any more! Have a nice life, when you get one that is!
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Sorry I meant to say Bull Terriers were bred to assist blind people.
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Starscream
Your point does not stand, it never did, in fact as points go, it has no legs!
Again, using YOUR logic, the breeds in question are more dangerous. Its not only logic that you’ve admitted to, its also common sense…… Sorry if this alludes you.
BSL
You said you wouldnt read my posts about 2 days ago, but like a bull terrier you keep coming back and biting. Again, I really hope your dogs dont take after you, I’d hate to think of my children in the vicinity of you and your attack dogs!!
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WHY is that all Staffordshire’s get a bad press! They are not all the same, in fact my staff is the most scissiest staff I’ve ever seen. You bring them up correctly with the love and the care they need and they are lesw dangerous then a Labradour, GSD, JRT and I can name a few more. Its so so sad they way people just instantly assume that your staff is bad cause someone else’s is. You meet my Staff and you’d wonder what all the fuss is about! Please STOP with the stigma! Is so upsetting for me!!!!
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Keli (sp!?!?)
Brilliant, thanks for that your jokes have made my day!
Labradors more dangerous than Staffy’s haha! Brilliant!
Do you have any more jokes??
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Really Andy? I’ve never heard of that before.
Keli – don’t let it upset you, you have a brilliant breed of dog, one of the best around in my opinion. Unfortunately there are lots of idiots around who stereotype, talk nonsense and have nothing better to do with their time.
Have you heard about the organised bull terrier walk at the end of August, should be fun, can’t wait to see all these beautiful creatures in one place?
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“Organised Bull Terrier Walk”!
Is that what we are calling these “events” nowadays??
Your idea of fun is clearly different from most.
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IP – no you’re right…everyone else is entirely wrong, yup! really? NO. If you really want to be right and make the point, go ahead, but please get your facts straight first and stop using your ideas and prejudice as a basis of reasoning.
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Starscream
Finally we agree on something, I am right!
My reasoning for this little disagreement was based on comments that you made, so the only predjudices are yours.
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I’ve been having some laughs reading this thread over the last few days but feel its time to step in as its just incredulous to me that such obvious trolling is still working!
I mean come on guys….. “I P Freeley”, say it out loud, its one of the most common wind up names going. “can I order a Pizza please, erm yes, my name I P Freeley”!!
Also say “Joe King” out loud too!
The best way to deal with a troll is to ignore, I bet this kid has been loving your constant attention, you love your dogs, good for you, in fact great! Leave him to his xbox or whatever!!!!
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Dave, agreed. He “observes” females in parks, there’s a name for that sort of bloke!
Still waiting for somebody from the GSPCA to shed some light!? Anybody?! Lorna?!
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Aaah, outed by the wonderful Dave Haslam, oh well my freakishly long wumming run had to come to an end at some point.
Congrats Dave, you must have watched that Simpsons episode too!!
BSL
I’m female actually! And I never observed you, that was part of the schtick!
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I’m assuming you’ve read or seen on the news about 5 instances of these devil, dangerous “weapons” in your life time, yet think you have the right (and ignorance) to judge every dog with your derogatory, lame and non-factual comments towards dogs and owners alike.
Define ignorance: the lack of knowledge or education. Just so you know, but we will get to this in just a moment!
So in riposte to me, do you think you have the right to judge everyone non dog owner (but do you know if i own a dog?) with your own “if only you had read the books i have read” attitude? Please!
Dogs kill people fact! Dogs hurt people fact! Dogs make loving pets FACT!
This thread is about dangerous dogs, fact!
But you are taking this off course. Would it have been better to say that you have a calm dog, and you cant understand why some owners let their dogs get bad or why there are bad dogs? NO you have to defend all dogs, even those not in question!
So what, I don’t know all dog breeds. Can you (without google or Wikipedia) explain the workings of gas blowback machine pistol? No. Do you know the bore of a RPD light machine gun, or the wood its stock is made out of? No.
But guns kill right? But guns prevent death also don’t they?
Can you see the observation? Can you that an angry American gut nut is much the same as an angry dog owner in this instance?
My sarcastic tone in previous posts has really exposed your defence mechanism. You need to work on that!
Your post to IP
“You’re just annoying now. Won’t read you anymore! Have a nice life, when you get one that is”
That is your ignorance. “I don’t like what you have to say, so I will bury my face in the sand” I don’t like what you have to say, even if you are right, ignorance is bliss. So now we come full circle.
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yawn @ Sanquine…..Jeeeeez, that was a bore to read!
“You need to work on that!”? It’s really not that serious, unlike you my life isn’t run by half reported stories on thisisguernsey.com.
A social life – maybe you need to work on that!?
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You failed to answer any point BSL!
You just do what you do, ignore!
Im sorry you are wrong, I truly am.
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Wow, why do all of these stories etc., give the blame to the bull breed? It makes my blood boil it really does. I have 2 staffs and I have to say, next to my labrador who unfortunately passed away in March, they are the most loving, faithful, knowing, gentle and willing to please breed you could ever hope to have. And best of all, they are excellent around my children and cat. A member of my family has 2 Jack Russels who would tear a cat to bits, fight each other frequently and one has bitten my sons face (luckily no serious damage was done!) My friend has a cocker spaniel who has bitten her twice and bit her parnters nose. It is a nasty dog and to be honest with you, it shouldn’t be allowed near her children. But that is another story. But all of this BSL rubbish really does make me sad as there are so many gorgeous, excellent, loyal, non-aggressive dogs that are put to sleep on a daily basis just because of what breed they are. How bad is that? My friend took her Staff up to the GSPCA to be rehomed a couple of years ago as admittedly, he was a handful. She didn’t know how to handle him and he basically dominated her and wasn’t shown alot of discipline. BUT, he was never aggressive towards humans and other animals. She just found him hard work. He was put through a series of tests with the GSPCA on day one or day two and he apparently failed all of them. Apparently he was aggressive towards humans and animals and it was suggested that he be put to sleep. This dog was entire and dominant and shown other strange dogs etc. he was in a strange place and didn’t know anybody or what the hell was going on so yes, his behaviour was bound to be different. My friend took him back and took him to the vet. The vet said he was a very misunderstood god, recommended he but castrated and said that he was in no way a ‘dangerous dog’. He was then castrated, calmed down a lot and was successfully rehomed in Jersey with a man. He continues to be a loving dog and not nearly half as boisterous as he was and certainly not aggressive or seen to be a dangerous dog. I have absolutely no faith whatsoever in the GSPCA and they fail people and animals daily. Animal Aid were excellent as they never, ever turned animals away. They never went on about dangerous breeds etc. They were there to help simple as.
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