12 arrested in police blitz on island crime
Monday 8th November 2010, 2:30PM GMT.
Police officers enter the Happy Landings pub on Saturday during Operation Action, whose aims were to tackle crime, raise awareness of crime prevention work and allay islanders’ fears. No arrests were made at the pub but there were a number of arrests elsewhere. (Picture by Adrian Miller, 1049960)
ALMOST every police officer was involved in a major operation this weekend to crack down on crime including anti-social behaviour, speeding and under-age drinking.
Officers conducted a series of high-profile activities as part of Operation Action from 7am on Saturday to 7am yesterday.
Around 95% of the force was working at some point over the 24 hours, conducting speed and vehicle checks, going on extra neighbourhood policing patrols and doing checks in pubs to make sure no under 18s were drinking.
The police are expected to reveal later today how many people were arrested or cautioned as part of the operation.
But on Saturday night, 12 arrests were made as a result of the operation, eight of them for suspected drug offences.
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That is brilliant! “Operation Action”?! As opposed to the usual ‘inaction’ then!
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Should this not be the normal level of policing on a Saturday night? Too much anti-social behaviour going on, be it on the roads or in the pubs.
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Smacks of a PR stunt but anything that helps our degenerating Isle is of course appreciated.
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Absolutly Brilliant. Please keep it like that !
Please go back to the old days where Police were people to be afraid of and not ridiculed.
Although I am almost 50 I dont remember Noel Trotter but remember people talking about him and he got the results a policeman should.
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This should be a weekly basis not a one off, this happens regularly on the Mainland, and numerous comments on how bad Guernsey is becoming, surely this would work a lot better here with results. Not every Saturday of course a change of routine would benefit, underage drinking and drug dealers work in the week as well not just between the hours of 7am Sat to 7am Sun. Keep it up Guernsey Police.
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Cash down at Police HQ? I guess they raised a fair amount through fines.
I agree with Sarniaa, we pay them to do what they do, so they should be busy like this everyday of the week.
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I think the full story reveals that all leave and normal rest days were cancelled to provide this show of strength
Those lost days will either have to be taken at some other time or paid as overtime
Whilst very welcome I doubt that this exercise can be repeated weekly or even monthly
Perhaps if enough people are happy with the results the police will have a case for additional staff
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About time! Hope this will now be the norm.
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Noel Trotter was my godfather and I am proud of that fact. However, he was shot at Beaucamp School nearly 30 years ago – there will always be random acts of violence. I mention this because, although I no longer live in Dubai and haven’t permanently for 20 years (and I’m also nearly 50), I get really upset when I read all the stories about the decline of social order in Guernsey. Uncle Noel used to use the old fashioned style of policing – he was a huge man in so many ways. There is just so much wishy-washy policing is seems to me, when I return each year, but it’s just getting worse. This is a complete PR stunt – clean up the streets on a daily basis, don’t plug the fact that everyone was working, so what!!!? – the island’s not that big and there are the usual pockets of disorder and delinquency – it’s not rocket science now is it the boys the blue? Come on – this beautiful island is behind you.
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Speeding? I hardly call that requiring urgent police action compared to other crimes. Priorities all wrong as usual.
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Dubaidame
Good to hear from some of Mr Trotters family, he certainly was a man you did not play around with and his reputation is without doubt a good thing.
My late father was a freind of his , my fathers response when i had been naughty was always to tell me he would call “my freind Noel” to deal with me . I soon behaved LOL
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Ray,
You are correct in your thoughts on overtime to be paid and days owed. This type of policing unfortunately cannot be sustained for any length of time. As for increasing the force, that is going to depend on how many young people of today are willing to accept the hours, conditions and discipline reuqired to be a successful police person.
I did grin when I heard 12 prisoners made it a busy night for the police – in my day less that 24 inside on a Saturday was a quiet night !
But if this new chief can get more police out and about its good news for all of us.
AS for the previous comment about speeding – think of it this way -its the most likely way for you to die other than natural causes in this island given the way so many drivers think Guernsey roads are motorways.
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Thisislandstinks – whether you hit me with your fist after a drink or hit me with your car after a drink I expect both will hurt me and the latter more likely to kill me don’t you think?
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ThisIslandStinks, have you witnesed the way people speed around the place? needs policing, also if you think the island stinks we have a perfectly good airport and harbour..use one of them.
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The cops need to concentrate on the island junky population that seems to be increasing year on year.
Chase them until the nth degree & make their lives a living hell. Like they do to so many others.
Take the heroin abusers out of the equation & actual crime levels would reduce by a massive percentage.
It is time everybody stopped tolerating & understanding these feral scumbags. All of them should be tested regularly with a positive sample equalling a drying out cold turkey stint behind bars.
I am sure even the most hardcore abusers will soon realise after a handful of times, with the cold hard shock treatment, they can do without the gear that controls their everything.
This is a problem that has been ignored & left to grow. It will end up spreading like a cancer throughout society. I hope this is next in line for tackling. It is well overdue.
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Well done our Police Force, brilliant. Do hope that with all the triplicate form filling now required, you guys will get some rest days as well.If this is an inititiative from our new Head of the Force, then please keep it up, we all need to know who our officers on the beat are, not just for offences taken in hand, but to know you are around, not just crusing in cars, mind.
@dubaidame – I didn’t know your Grandfather, PC Trotter; wasn’t old enough, or here on Guernsey, but I have heard stories from older local friends about his well known way of dealing with “issues”. He would administer a clip around the ear to misdemeaners, and send them home, with his apparently famous phrase, “next time, I will talk to your mum & dad”. Did the trick. This couldn’t happen now. Please don’t be so sour with how things are today, seems like the Force are trying hard, to me.
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why cant this happen more often
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Can cops be served with ASBOS
What a load of and we are paying for it.
People going about their lives, on the road,in the pub relaxing at the weekend and in their homes getting hassle from the cops???
Total own goal wrong PR stunt.
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Errol Groves:
What a silly comment. Do you honestly think people relaxing in pubs and in their homes and driving safely within the law are the ones the police detain? Those law abiding citizens are the ones the police are trying to protect. Surely you can see that?
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“Police go out and do their job”. Why is this news?
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I am now a few years retired from the local force and the state of policing on the island over the last few years has saddened me.
It was the norm in my time that police officers were always detailed to patrol the Town and Bridge beats, providing a high policing profile to those areas.
Sadly it seems those days have gone and we rarely see a police officer walking the beat.
I was a community police officer for several years and there wasn’t a day go by that I was out meeting the public, and where on my beat I had many stops where I could have a friendly chat over a cup of tea.
Referring to last Saturday night, I must admit i did have a little chuckle to myself, just imagining those desk bound officers getting a call to do real police work, it really must have been a shock to their system.
As regards Sgt Noel Trotter, I worked with him for some years and he was a lovely man, with a wicked sense of humour, I have a great respect for him.
Finally, my 32 year old daughter plus 2 of her mates came across from london to stay with me for a few days this summer..
On the Saturday they decided to have a girls night out and it was agreed they would get a taxi home.
About 11.30 pm I had a call from my daughter saying they’d had enough and wanted to come home, so I went to the North Esplanade to pick them up.
They told me they had first gone for a drink on the outskirts of town then walked along to Follies, where they were so upset by the language and threatening behaviour of all around they decided to call it a day. They were appalled by the drunkenness, and how so young most of these people were.
And this is coming from girls who live in the centre of London
I congratulate the police on trying to get a grip with things, which should have happened long before now, and hopefully it will continue.
I know that publicans in Town will not like to hear this, but from my experience licensed premises are responsible for most of the drunken behaviour in Town.
They ply these people with too much drink, when it is obvious they have had enough..
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Dave – thisislands stinks was making a fair and true point, open your eyes, the Island has gone downhill substantially, bad outweighs good big time, apart from day-trippers, the better class of visitors is becoming non existant for this reason.
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Smac:
You didn’t read the article properly. 95% of officers on duty over the weekend is the thrust of the report. This is a major policing operation that would obviously reach the papers.
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About time too – lets hope they catch some real criminals and not just over-indulgent drinkers having a ‘happy time’. It would be great to see a resident constable in each parish as in the ‘old days’ not just the one you write to when you have a complaint and it gets seen to when and if he/she is available – a constable who is part of the police force and can deal with and arrest those who are breaking the law in their own patch. Unfortunately out in the higher parishes we are not so well catered for and at night time we get streams of cars racing around the island especially on the coast road -why are they not picked up with the radar – either the culprits are too clever or the radar system is not working.
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Things have moved on since the old timers have gone. Officers are now needed in ‘desk jobs’ to deal with crime that was hidden or did not even exist 20 years ago. Computer crime, Financial Crime (no longer a one man job), child abuse, domestic violence, examining mobile phones, CCTV etc. Yes there is scope for civilianisation and this is being looked at.
Please do not say Town is more ‘dangerous’ than 20/30 years ago; what about the infamous nights outside the Chicken Platter, the Helmsman, Wellie etc. etc?? For some reason as with the ’66 motorcycle club the baddies who caused mayhem in our society then, have for some reason gained cult status among today’s ‘senior’ members of our community.
A person who had total disregard for others in the 60s and 70s is still a *&%%%, and no different to the so called ‘yobs’ around today.
The young lads and lasses in the force are working x10 harder than ever. Yes it is unfortunate there is no longer a Bridge, St Martins officer etc. but you can only squeeze so much blood out of a stone. Remember Jersey has 270 officers + Honories and we are policing the Island with only 150 officers.
Just under 2,000 people were arrested last year. At the old St James’ Street station there was only one cell, mysteriously called cell 6!! There is no comparison to the work officers were carrying out 20-30 yrs ago, with today’s workloads and responsibilities. Now we are regularly opening up the Court and Customs cells to deal with the overflow of prisoners. Who staffs this? It takes a Sergeant and two PCs to run an overflow facility.
So can any old timer tell me who is actually policing the Island when there are a dozen prisoners in custody with an extra three officers running an overflow? Are there a dozen arresting officers?
Of course not, there are only about eight officers on duty in total. Yes, do the maths, it does not work!! There are more arrests than officers on duty, not counting the three needed to run the Court cells! Oh yes, not forgetting the patrol sergeant merrily going around checking liqour licences.
For all you in the private sector this is how nurses, teachers, police etc. cope on a day to day basis. But as my erstwhile colleagues did in the ‘good old days’, we cope, finish late, dust ourselves down and get ready for the next shift.
Operation Action was a relatively simple concept which brought the force together and gave us the resources to firmly rattle a few cages. Yes, cancelled rest days will have to be re-rostered but as with omelettes a few eggs have to be broken to achieve the desired result.
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It can be no small coincidence that a small Hotel in St Martins was raided on the same weekend that Jenson Button was being chased by the Bad People at the latest Grand Prix, where exactly was the Landladies Husband at the time (who incidentally has uncanny likeness to Marlon Brando’s Godfather),could the others, missing from the Bar at the weekend had prior warning of the raid ? or as is now being suggested did Social Security pay their Flights to the Grand Prix.
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Well done the Police. A good initiative, well carried out.
It does seem, however, that they just can’t win with some people. Quit yer bloney moaning! You moan when you think they aren’t doing enough, and then when they do do something high profile you moan about it!
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Ahhh those Chicken Platter Friday and Saturday nights,when it was the Guerns against those pretty boy Italians ….
When Stan Fournier could manage to start a riot on his own in a phone box ….
When you could kick the *hite out of the unprotected panels in the Police van ….
Wake up,wake up !
Oh yes,and stop calling me a *&%%% or I’ll complain to my friend Mr Rice
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Erm, 12 people is that it? Will we be getting anymore stats. I mean it doesn’t really reassure me. I still wouldn’t walk home on my own at night. I take it those people were bladdered in town and were easy pickings. Easy pickings just like the motorist who sneaks above the speed limit and might reach 42mph in 35.
I’m not saying being bladdered in town should be accepted especially if they are turning violent, I’m just saying when it comes to the drink problem, its not always the drunken revellers in town that make me feel unsafe.
As far as what is socially acceptable and unacceptable, I would say the disgusting levels of domestic abuse on this island should take a higher priority than people who creep above the speed limit. Guernsey should be ashamed of itself.
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SS what a ridiculous comment to make. Domestic incidents do take a far greater priority than speeding, that’s fairly obvious. I take it that you have been done for speeding which is why you are so bitter and twisted. Guernsey has the most generous threshold of speeding prosecution that I have ever known. Speeding over domestics…shame on you to belittle the work officers do and the situations they put themselves in to help victims before, during and after the events. You also assume that those arrests were drunken people in town…shame on you again…you’re one of those people who desperately want to see the negatives in anything the police do. Easier to write words on a keyboard than to actually do it.
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Current Old Bill
In no way am I slagging off the Police, in fact I applaud the recent upscale but there have been incidents recently which have been causing a lot of discontent.
I am one of the Chicken Platter / Cellar Club generation but to my recollection there was never any road closures in Le Truchot so those *&%%% could be sheilded from nasty motorists, sadly its now a case of the offspring of those *&%%% have been taught well (!) by their family.
If there is a shortage of staff then surely that is a matter for the Chief of Police to deal with and worry about outcry as and when it happens.
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John,
Nope, clean license thank you very much.
and as for:
“shame on you to belittle the work officers do and the situations they put themselves in to help victims before, during and after the events”
I’m not belittling the way officers deal with these situations. I’m sure they do a very good job in what must be some terrible circumstances. But I am criticising the community as a whole that rates of domestic abuse are so shockingly high.
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PC Trotter.
Well, only now and then comes along a feller, who is frightened by none, he played fair. and took no ‘old buck’
I knew Noel, been pulled up many times by him, yet he was always fair in his work.
Then one day – when they couldn’t bribe or make him change- the took the way they did.
It was a crime.
I met him many times after his *accident* it was pitiful- yet- how I don’t know, he always knew me, yet he had plagued me for years- but I never tried to ‘bull’ him, and for that he had respect.
It was a sorry day when PC Trotter was no longer on the ‘Beat’
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I feel so much safer now the Police have made 12 Arrests, our quaint little Island is under a massive threat of 17 year olds drinking half pints and recreational legal high users, not to mention people breaking the speed limit, if things are are allowed to continue like this, our Island will turn into a place which will make Cape Town look tame in less than 5 years.
We must double the number of Police on the beat, put speed cameras all over the Island and bring back the birch for crimes such as underage drinking and shouting while being intoxicated.
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Speeding is a huge problem over here and does need to be addressed, more deaths have been caused through speed than drink driving in recent years, OBVIOUSLY I don’t condone drink driving.
The police could start by policing the speed on the North Beach carpark, it is intimidating, frightening and dangerous to most people who park there in the evenings. Why is it that we all know who serves underage people and yet nothing is ever done about it. Why is it that most of us have to look at the most appalling behaviour when on a night out in town. If an island this size can’t keep drugs out no where else stands a chance. Saturday night, yes ok its a start, a very small start in my opinion, long overdue and one night like that is not going to achieve a lot and neither is doing it on the same night, an element of surprise would be more effective
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Operation Action? Is that the best secret code-name they could come up with? Why not something cool like Emperor’s Cloak or something.
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I just want to say.. The Police do an marvellous job.. with the resources available. I have seen what the Police have to do.. sometimes stomach churning stuff too.. I wonder whether some of the moaners on here could do it.. Maybe they can follow an officer on a typical Friday or Saturday night ? Credit where Credit is Due! GIVE THEM MORE PAY AND MORE OFFICERS TOO !Help them to rid the streets of the Druggies and other lowlife that Guernsey now have an endless supply of.. Courts must Deport the “non Guerns” back where they come from.. rather than us taxpayers paying their free “living expenses” at Les Nicolles Ritz.
How about cufews for under 18s? Parents will have to stay home then, it IS their responsibility ! I was never left home alone til I was 18, my parents weren’t strict,just responsible, but it never did me any harm.
How about Tagging these louts ? Decent law abiding citizens wont mind, if unlawful one dont like it.. MOVE ELSEWHERE!
Individuals under Licence.. Mess up.. SHIP OUT !
SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE.. ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.
Thats me done now.
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oh you have to laugh at the irony, people are always saying if only the police were out and about on the beat catching criminals instead of all sitting in the warm at the station, and when they do come out, everyone still moans!
If I was the new Chief I’d be wandering whether it was all worth it!
In an ideal world no one would commit crime and so we would not need the police. What we need to is support the Chief who obviously wanted to show the powers that be what could be achieved if they had the right number of staff to police the Island the way the people want it to be policed, i.e. visible presence of Police Officers sorting out the naughty folk
As an aside, I live in town and I have always seen at least two Police Officers walking the beat on a Friday or Saturday night, with additional Officers in the Van normally parked somewhere close to the action.
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Oh this is a very good artical i think that under 18′s should not be getting surved at pubs and they should as for ID to prove that they are 18/ over!
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I am sure the Police would much rather be out and about on the Beat than sat at their desks doing paperwork. Unfortunately all jobs seem to be the same these days loads of paperwork. Its a pity they can’t have back-office staff to do the paperwork in order for the Police to be out and about in the Island doing the real work which is what they did their training for. Yes we do need more Police and better pay for them. Jersey police are paid much more than Guernsey police so come on States dig in your pocket and pay what is richly deserved for the unsociable hours and sometimes difficult and harrowing jobs that they have to do. You might then encourage more young people to take up what can be a very successful and rewarding career. If we had a larger force then there would probably be enough officers to be out covering the Island like they did last weekend but you cant do that without the resources.
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Oh come on “Currant (sic) Old Bill” the cell to which you refer was “Room 6″, not “Cell 6″ and that was because it came after rooms 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5!
You claim that just under 2000 people were arrested last year, do you know how many were arrested in 1990? No, nor do I. You further claim that because you end up with more prisoners at any one time that there is “no comparison to the work officers were carrying out 20-30 yrs ago, with today’s workloads and responsibilities.” Bear in mind however that as a result of the custody procedures of today more Police prisoners are detained in Police custody and that is why you have to use the Court and Customs cells on occasions. In the “Good Old Days” of St James Street a prisoner would be Charged and then taken across the road to the Prison for detention. It is therefore incorrect of you to assume that you have a higher workload just because you may have more prisoners at any one time.
Further, you state that a Sergeant and two Constables are required to run an overflow facility. How about having some of the “desk job” people you refer to running that facility, I’m sure that they could do their desk work whilst supervising prisoners. After all just because someone has a desk job who says that it has to be nine to five Monday to Friday?
I don’t doubt that on occasions you have to work very hard and deal with things and people that many of the public would not want to but if you are honest I’m sure that you will agree that there are far too many 9-5ers who are not pulling their weight within the Force.
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“2000 people were arrested last year, how many were arrested in 1990?”
Contact HM Greffier and ask him how full the Magistrates’ and Royal Court are at the moment. The amount of Royal Court cases for GBH, burglary, wounding, robbery etc. has gone through the roof.
“There is no comparison to the work officers were carrying out 20-30 yrs ago, with today’s workloads and responsibilities.”
No longer are police officers governed by what they ‘should’ do, and what would be ‘preferable’. We now deal with MUSTS, written down firmly in legislation. The International Torture Commission recently visited making several recomendations, and Independent Custody visitors MUST be given IMMEDIATE entry to the Custody area. I don’t think they’d be too impressed to be told a nine to fiver is supervising a high-risk detainee from their office upstairs.
The Custody Sergeant is LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE for a detainee’s welfare 24 HOURS after their release, so a care plan must be prepared if it is believed they may self-harm or commit suicide. Responsibilities……
By the way, cushy 9-5 jobs in Admin and CRO disappeared years ago. Nine to fivers are detectives, or work in the court office.
I find it upsetting how on retirement SOME former colleagues buy a pair of rose tinted spectacles from Specsavers and a large sack of granite from Rihoy’s, and spend what should be a golden time of their life throwing pelters at the young lads and lasses now working at the station. I suppose it’s cyclic, unless of course Knocker White, Pete Rabey (RIP) + co. used to queue up at the front door to pat you on the back.
So Humbug, if you’re shopping in Checkers and see a BOGOF offer on cakes, please throw a couple of packets in the trolley and drop them off at G.Y. for the lads and lasses on shift. Your hand will be shaken and the gesture very much appreciated.
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Current old bill,
How many of those going through the courts are non locals? I suspect you would find that the vast majority (going by the names in court cases in the paper) are east europeans, not locals.
How about the Latvian that broke that old lady’s neck and collar bone by driving at 80mph and crashing into her?
Are we going to deport him?
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Backward opinions, seated in prejudice. We hate any one that speeds. We hate anyone who drinks.We hate anyone who uses a Mobile Phone.
You support your Police in their quest to interfer in the Rights of Individuals by stopping and searching and subsequently using intimidation tactics.
You want Latvians and other EU states workers, but would prefer to give them no status.You want Tourists but then wonder why the numbers are decreasing. Guernsey is heading back into the dark ages. Let’s allow the Police to stone them all, and curfew St Peter Port. Yes a few would obviously agree.
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Currant Old Bill
The Magistrate’s Court may be full,but part of that problem must be because even the simplest of cases seem to have to return to court time after time for Probation reports and whatever
Why a report is needed before someone who was caught piddling in a bush is sentenced beats me
However that is not the fault of the Police and as for foreign offenders Chris,I would think the language problems actually ADD to the Police workload
How can the CID carry out old style telepathic interviews with foreigners? (that is writing down what the officer BELIEVES the foreigner to be thinking)
One other service that has probably had to be dropped is the free first aid assistance, whereby if you were taken to the Police Station for interview the CID were always happy to stitch you up
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Chris:
The police don’t do the deporting, however I completely share your sentiment that if someone who is non-local commits offences their offer of residence/right to work should be withdrawn.
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well done boys good old guernsey police keep up the good work boys your doing a cracking job .and theirs also a lot of yobs over here who just seem to take the law in to their own hands and just go around harrassing and threating people like me and this has been going on for ten months now and i dont even know who this lad is and has always got something to say to me every time he walks past me and razes his fists up to me as well as another person that i know and also has been banned for going in a small shop at the top of country mansel street stores for causeing trooble and if this moron dont stop what hes doing hes going to be faceing more music than he can chew on .its not right and these yobs should be dealed with hard by the police its as simple as that.
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Truth Man – I agree to a point; I think it is entirely appropriate to deport those convicted of more serious crimes.
I wouldn’t want to see a general “deport all foreign offenders” policy though as in my opinion it wouldn’t reflect the values of justice we claim to hold. For example I wouldn’t consier deportation a proportionate sentence for minor offences, such as failure to pay a parking ticket or driving at 34mph in a 25mph zone.
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@Ali
I must agree with you Ali that speeding in and around North Beach car park at night is frightening.
several times recently I have stopped there about 8pm to nip over to the Checkers express for some milk and been shocked by the speed at which youngsters are driving around the car park and the roads that lead into the car park.
They nearly hit my car the other night when I was leaving.
surely the police must be aware of this behavious and should be doing something about it.
the GP would do the island a service if they were to do an article on the antics going on in North Beach car park at night. the speed is horrifying and somebody will get hurt or killed soon.
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Current Old Bill – why can’t a private firm provide PCO’s for Custody under the supervision of the Custody Sergeant? It’s fairly common in the UK now and would free up a number of PC’s per shift to be better employed?
Does it need a Constable to answer cell bells and deal with property?
Given the ages of the average offender a ‘mummsie’ woman can often quell a lively male prisoner far more effectively than a younger PC.
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I see I am not alone. The Swiss are voting on the 28 November nationwide referendum to deport non Swiss convicted of serious crimes. Google or check Swiss Info for the details, too long to post here.
If it’s good enough for the Swiss then why can’t we deport non locals convicted of serious crimes? The Swiss have it right.
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Currant Old Bill
Two stories next to each other in yesterday’s Press
1. Lorry driver sheds part of his load in August (OK .. it could have had serious consequences)
First offence… Fined £200 and a month off the road .. who wants to employ a suspended lorry driver?
2. After allegedly consuming 38 Diazepam tablets and four litres of cider a man in his early twenties with six previous convictions for criminal damage smashed a shop window. He was placed on Probation and made to pay £42 compensation
His Advocate ( how much did that cost the tax payer in legal aid?) said that he did it out of sheer frustration
How does the oddball sentencing policies affect modern day Police work?
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Chris:
PCs rarely cover custody – for the vast majority of the time the custody Sgt is the only person ‘answering bells and dealing with property’ (if only that was all there is to the role).
Ray:
Oddball sentencing does not affect the police work, although it does affect the police officers in that they are just as frustrated with this lunacy as everyone else is!
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