Killer bids for freedom a year after being jailed
Wednesday 10th August 2011, 2:30PM BST.
'Gary the Tiler' Allen, whom Baker killed in November, 2009.
KILLER Alan Baker went to judicial review yesterday in an attempt to win his release just over a year after being jailed by the Royal Court.
Baker, 25, was convicted of manslaughter in July last year after he killed tiler Gary Allen, 46, with a single punch outside The Albion pub in November 2009.
He was jailed for three years and nine months but the sentence took effect from the date of his remand and he was eligible for parole from 25 February this year. He is now challenging a Parole Review Committee decision to refuse him early release.
The judicial review – the Deputy Bailiff sitting alone – yesterday heard claims that the committee had misunderstood some of the evidence put before it.
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let him rot in there with his sister they should never be allowed out on our streets
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baker should not be allowed out for at least 20 yrs. the bloke is unstable and violent, this mans Murder was just waiting to happen, baker should not be allowed to appeal yet, its too soon.
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I had a run in with Baker a few years ago, he should have got life ,keep him in jail for longer and kick him off the island when he does eventually get released !
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Alan Baker should be away for life.
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Can someone give me a bit of information on this story please? It is definitely one for debate…
Did he get in to a fight with someone and kill them by accident with one punch?
That is open to so many interpretations isn’t it?
Obviously fighting in any sense is senseless, primal and pointless. However, if he did intend to merely punch the man and ended up killing him…crikey!
Did he show remorse?
What a terrible thing to happen…I was off the island during that time…and surprisingly I have never heard of it…
He looks like a very lost soul…I hold empathy everyone involved in this seemingly tragic case…including him.
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it was not a one punch kill the courts could not prove if it was open or closed fist more af a push an the bloke fell down some steps thats wat killed him, and as for tims comment your probably not even local anyway!!!!!
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Would it be different if it was one of your family members in prison??
People are quick to comment when it doesn’t effect there lifes!!
People judge the brothers sisters and parents!!
Joanne and alan’s situations are completely different!!
Alan had an argument, stuck up for his mate, and yes he hit a man unluckily for both of them it had life changing situations!!
Alan is nothing like what people say he is like!!
The paper exaggerates things and makes it worse!!
Its his family that has to read these comments and put up with the vicious words of others not YOU!!
People are quick to judge when they dont have to deal with it!!
Think about it if you where in the situation where you had to stick up for a friend or family are you saying you wouldn’t protect them huh??
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Anon
You seem to be portraying Alan as a victim, which is ridiculous. How many times has he been convicted of violent offences?
He and his sister have both killed people, both of them are despicable individuals, who will go on to re-offend time and time again. Their sentences are laughable, and they show no remorse for their actions.
As for the parents, maybe they should have tried a bit harder when their children were growing up, rather than saddling the rest of us with the hundreds of thousands of pounds bill for looking after their scumbag sprogs.
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I am not
Condoning violence in any respect! But it’s not like he set out to kill him! Joannes offences were completely different!!
You can’t comment on the parents when you dont know them everyone makes there own decisions!! If it’s there fault how come there youngest has never had a run in with the police and he is a successful boxer!! Who by the way is my fiancé!! His mum and dd are the loveliest people you could meet!!!! They do everything they can to support there children!! So don’t you dare put them down!!
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phil did your parents not like u as a child?? were you not loved,maybe this why u blame other peoples parents?!?!? so sad, i fell sorry for u!! alans parents are very nice people who do not deserve to be even mentioned wat so ever as im sure loads of people agree…..
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Think u should all get ur facts rite befor shouting ur mouths off about somthing u all obviously dont no the full story! Should i fill u all in? ‘Gary the tiller’ was 4 times over the legal limitn of alcohol and tried punching Baker 3times and missed! In self defence Baker punched him ONCE and due to ‘Gary the tiller’ being so off his face on drugs and alcohol fell backwards down the stairs of the Albion pub. What the press missed out was the fact that it was the fall that lead to his death as he couldnt controll his body due to the intoxication. The fall is what killed the poor man not Bakers punch! When he hit his head on the floor this caused his brain to bleed! Baker deeply regrets what has happened, this could hav happened to every single one of u! Accidents happen but unfortunatly this accident lead to a mans life being takin which will haunt Baker for the rest of his life! so think u should all stop writting comments when u dont even no the full story!
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Phil, Who are you to blame the parent’s? Do you even know the Baker family? What give’s you the right to question their parenting skill’s? I was always taught not to tar everyone with the same brush and don’t judge until you know all the fact’s. Shame you weren’t taught the same. What does say about your own parents? Thank god the world is not filled with ignorant, narrow minded, arrogant people like you. None of which are a good attribute to have but clearly your parents didn’t teach you that either did they.
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Well said Mini
I agree!!
This island is full of narrow minded people that do not get all of the facts before judging!
People protect there friends and family FACT!
Phil if you wouldnt protect your friends and family then you have no heart.
Alans parents have worked everyday in there lives and have worked very hard to provide for there family, they are amazing parents and amazing people im proud to be part of their family, yes alan isnt perfect nobody is!!
People need to give the Bakers a break, and give people chances to prove themselves!!
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Right Ok
So we have a brother and sister who have both commited Murder/manslughter and are we supposed to beleive that this is coincidence??
None of my family have ever killed anyone, yet 2 people in the same family have done, and we are not allowed to even query the parents role in this.
We are supposed to give them a break??
Frankly I dont care if I offend anyone with this because its precisely this type of apologetic nonsense that is a symptom of a wider social malaise that we are seeing evidence of in the news in the last week. Its about time people started taking responsibility for their actions, and the actions of their offspring.
Shall I tell you what happened the last time a very drunk person tried to punch me??
He tried a few times, kept missing, then I restrained him and eventually bought him a bag of chips to sober him up, neither of us died, and neither of us ended up in prison.
I cant for the life of me think who would have taught me the manners and values to behave in that way, maybe it was TV???
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Oh, Go On, Let him go. He`s learnt his lesson and is really sorry that the man he accidentally hit with his fist (that just happened to be clenched at the time) died.
He didn`t know the man couldn`t take a punch and it really wasn`t his fault. If the man had said,”don`t hit me” I`m sure he wouldn`t have so really he is innocent.
What good is it doing keeping a man twiddling his thumbs in a cell when he could be out in the public doing a good job as a bouncer, security guard or even become a policeman?
Oh, Go on, Please, Please, Let him Out.
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i know the family an i know what alan an joanne are like and they both wont change never!!! joanne got out of prison an look now she has done wrong yet again an alan will never be sorry he think he is a hard man dont let them out on of streets we should be able to keep our family an friends safe an they will do it all over again it will be a matter of time so who will lose thier life next?????????? it does not matter if they were drunk or not.
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In reply to the above comments I would like to clarify a few details.
Firstly yes Baker should serve his full term, and frankly he should of got a longer sentence. Secondly I don’t think anyone condons violence in any way, to be fair these parents must be so upset by the violence caused, and deaths that happened.
Thirdly and most important I think is that Alan and Joanne Baker are not brother and sister in any way shape, or form just unfortunate that they are step brother and sister, so to be fair I would say that you can’t always blame the parents, and especially not this time.
Violent criminals should be locked away and given heavier sentences. I hope that the parole board do a good job at the hearing and leave him where he is.
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Matty / Mini / Anon et al
The fact that none of you can string a coherent sentence together speaks volumes, and if you truly think that parenting (or the lack of it) has nothing to do with two children in the same family committing manslaughter then you must be mad.
We’re not talking about minor misdemeanors here, we’re talking about people BEING KILLED. Not to mention the other offences they’ve committed of course, of which there are several.
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Phil to be honest, how old do children have to be before the parents are not responsible for the actions of their offspring. Do tell me were you so quick to comment on other murder/manslaughter cases in Guernsey. I agree with all that Baker gets and would like to see his sentence increased, we all have our own opinions we wouldn’t be human if we didn’t. As noted above there is no relation between the Bakers although they tell everyone they are brother and sister. I do believe that as a child gets older they plot there own destiny regardless of what parenting they receive. As a parent myself, there is no rule book to help you on parenting and no right or wrong way to do it, and it is the most difficult job in the world. Hopefully if you have children you will have no trouble, the most perfect people in the world have bother with children. Maybe you could advise the “parents” as you seem to know better! There are alot of narrow minded people in soceity and it is always someone elses fault, maybe it is time Baker took responsibility for his own actions and people stopped blaming the parent and step-parent. As for Joanne-well enough said there considering she is a 26 year old mother.
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To be fair I really don’t care what anyone thinks!!
The parents are amazing people, no matter what people say on here and they have bin to he’ll and bak because of vicious people’s words like yours!
The thing is that none of you would any of this to Alan or the family’s faces!!
To be honest if Alan gets parole there is absolutely NOTHING any of you can
Do about it yeah ok maybe he should have to serve his full sentence but if he doesn’t then what are you gunna do about it?? It’s all right that your complaining bout it but what can you do huh??
My fiancé and mum and dad don’t deserve any of the nasty stuff u have said but hey ho just words from arrogant, narrow minded nobody’s that have nothing better to do then make someone else life hell !!
I’d be proud to be a baker!!
Either way a baker will be in the paper weather it Alan or joanne on the front pages or Adam on the sports pages for his boxing, just can’t get away from them hahaha!!
That’s it from me I think I’ve said what I needed
To say in all of this because none of you can change anything bye bye nobody’s!!!
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Must of you on here don’t have a clue what happen that night!!!
It Makes me laugh how it’s always the bakers that get front page, was it just Joanne that went down for manslaughter???? know there was two of them!!!
I think she has been back inside too???, she didn’t get front page!!
Just stop and think before you open you mouth what you are doing the family, the baker family are lovely people always helping others. so if you have something to say to them go and knock on there door!!!!!
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Sam
How old was Joanne when she killed a woman by repeatedly stamping on her head etc – she was still a teenager I believe. How old was Alan when he first went to prison – again not very old. Two killers coming from one household is quite some achievement, maybe Joanne’s children will keep up the good work in 15 or so years’ time. More hefty burdens for the already stretched taxpayer to shoulder.
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Hahaha
Oh the irony of “Anon”, the person desperately trying to stick up for a family breeding violent criminals calling everyone else “Nobodys”!!
That may be true if your definition of Nobody is “they havent killed anyone, or been in court for other violence related offences”
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Anon, you are probably right, most people wouldn’t say anything to either of them for the fear of being the next one beaten up or worse.
I dont blame their parents, I dont know them and therefore am in no position to judge them,
I personally blame both of them, both lowlife degenerates that deserve to be locked up for as long as possible so that by the time they come out again, maybe, hopefully they will have had the fight taken out of them.
As for the story of what happen to Gary, someone forgot to mention how Baker strutted back into the pub, finished his pint, puffed his chest out and was giving it the big one about how he was the man for a few mins until he realised that Gary was not getting up and ran away.
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Phil you make me laugh, how do you know that they were in the same household.
If this was your kids you wouldn’t like people putting comments up about your family!!
I think you really need to go and see the family, so you can see what there like. They work everyday to keep there family.They can’t help what has happen.
Why don’t you think before you put things on here!!
Mr Lloyd of course Anon is going to stick up for the family, she knows what they are like, and if they could they would change what happen but they can’t. Don’t you think they have been though enough without sad comments!!! If you knew you them you would soon change your mind about them!!!
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Phil one more thing leave Joanne kids out this. they don’t know what is going on, how do you think they feel not having there mother in there lifes.
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John
Who’s to say I dont know them?
Personally John, I comments I find “sad” are the comments that are trying to defend these peoples actions.
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Ok all of u bitching about my parents should come and see them and talk to them face to face u all make me laugh as my mum and dad cant help how alan and joanne turned out there great parents look how many times iv been in the paper for boxing all because i have had support from my parents and just to get in your stupid heads joanne and alan aint brother and sister so u need to get it right there to me u all sound like keyboard heros ok to type but wont do the talking to me or my familys faces and also dont bring my Nephew and Niece into this how sick are u there are little kids GROW UP
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Phil,
Your attack on the spelling and grammer is laughable and yet another blatant example of your afore mentioned arrogance.
To everyone else who has jumped on the band wagon of the “Blame the parent’s theory”
Firstly I would like to say that in NO WAY do I condone the actions of either Joanne or Alan and will not even try to defend them, I am simply stating a fact. The parents are not to blame. People make their own choices in life. As a parent you do your best and hope that the moral’s and value’s you teach your children are taken on board and used in everyday life. The Baker family actually have 5 children in total, 3 of which have never been in any trouble. They have job’s, children and partner’s and live a quiet, happy life. I am not a Baker in name but I was brought up very closely with the family and live by the same value’s and moral’s that they taught me, Alan, Joanne and all the other children. I too have never been in any trouble, have a successful career and a child that was named the most well behaved and polite child in his class.
What does this say about your “Blame the parents theory?”
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Mr Lloyd…..
Ueah i am sticking up for them because there my fiances mum and dad!!
They dont desereve any nast comments they do everything they can.!!
Joanne and Alan are not even blood related!!
How do you all know they were bought up together or if they wer seperated?? huh you dont know them or the family!!
Im not saying alan hasnt done anything wrong i saying that this is not his parents fault!!
If it is there fault and down to there upbringing then how come my fiance there youngest son has never had any trouble with the police and has worked since he left school and whilst he was at school!!
So they must of been doing something right!!
People sometimes get in with the wrong crowd and go downhill, i did a few years ago i was doing drugs, hanging around with bad people and gettin drunk all the time fughting and didnt work, but people can change, now im working in a good job well paid, have a nice new car with my fiance and live in our own flat…..so really people can change and the parents must of done something right because i would not change anything about adam never!!
As for bringing Joannes kids into it u can stop right there NOW!! these are innocent children that do NOT deserve to be brought into this!!
You people will do anything to try and get a vicious reaction from the family by blaming the parents and mentioning the children well u lot are the sick ones!!
I hope one day you will have kids and when they end up in with the wrong crowd doing drugs or fighting or just randomly getting in trouble you will think back and realise that there is only so much a parent can do to show there kids the right direction it is THEIR kids choice weather to take it or not!!
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Perhaps the two of them were just born that way and the other children weren’t, therefore giving credence to the theory of nature over nurture.
Mini, I think the point is that obviously Alan and Joanne didn’t take the same values on board that you have, the reason for that is open to debate. Do you believe that your child is the way he is because of the way he’s being brought up, or just because he was born that way?
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sooo, let’s get this right…
@ Anon, you now can’t wait for unfortunate things to happen to Mr Lloyds offspring and you have never met him?
Just checking, but, who are you related to who exactly?
What was that part of your post about leaving the kids out of it?
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Ed
I do not wish bad things to happen to anyone, and i did not no weather lloyd has children or not al i was meaning by that was if he was to be unfortunate and his kids go the wrong direction he will maybe then realise that there is only so much that a parent can do.
Myself personally i would not no as i cant have children, however i know that alans parents have worked hard and have tried there best unfortunatlu there kids have chose there own direction.
people are entitled to there own opinion.
It just angers me when i KNOW that my fiance adam’s mum, dad and niece and nepthew have been brought into this and adams mum and dad have been blamed when they cant phsyically stop them!
Just wish some people were more open minded and give others a chance as im sure they would want a chance if it effected them.
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ed anon is sticking up for the family not alan or joanne she is my financee and the part of leaving the kids out is beacase what have my nephew and Niece got to do this phil seems to be the funny one to mention them all of u are idiots and if u have got something to say instead of being behind a computer come say it to my face
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Ed
I assumed after the intial outburst the rest Anons rant was aimed at the rest of us good law abiding citizens, I assume that as I never mentioned anything about Joannes kids.
To be honest Ed, thats the type of nasty outburst you could expect really. And I think wishing ill on other peoples children is about the nastiest thing anyone could do.
Its the second thing from this person I have found ironic today particularly when in the same post you highlight he/she askes that we dont bring Joannes children into it.
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Anon
Do you really think your last post is going to make anyone more sympathetic to your family??
Particularly the part where you hope other peoples children end up as drug abusers!!
If anything you have made it worse because I didnt really have any ill feelings towards YOUR family until I read this thread, now I have to say I have a real dislike for you now, all from YOUR comments.
Frankly your post disgusts me.
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Mr Lloyd
Inever wished ill on any childrwn all i meant was that if you have kids or not that one day if they go down the wrong path you will realise that there is only so much you can do as a parent.
i am not a nasty person im a LAW ABIDING citizen myself as is my fiance ADAM BAKER!!
The leaving the kids part was aimed at Phil.
They are lovely kids and do not deserve to even be mentioned. i am not looking for an argument, i just want peopl to see my point as to that alan and joanne do things off there own back, and is in no way shape or form there parents fault, and also joanne is not legally a baker she is a le sauvage, but yes they are only related by marrige!
I am not going on to be nasty to others everyone is entitled to there own opinion but when innocent people get brought into it, then i will sick up for them as they are good people.
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people are seriously taking this all wrong!!
I am not wishing ill on people i am saying if they are ever in that situation then you may realise that it is not as easy!!
You can only do so much!!
I am a law abiding citizen and i disagree with violence im not saying alan didn nothing wrong because he did, BUT all im trying to get across is that it is not the parents fault!!
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@Anon – thanks for clearing up the point.
Hopefully you will feel better afer that rant and stop coming back to sip at the cup of despair that is this thread
GP do seem to like to let these things run…
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Nurture vs Nature
Thank you for being so understanding. I believe my son is the well behaved and polite child he is because of the way he is being raised, which I might add is the same way in which The Baker’s raised their children and helped to raise me. I hope to god above my boy does not take the same path as Alan or Joanne but I can’t guarantee that this won’t happen, nor can I control all of the decision’s, whether right or wrong he makes. I can merely guide my child through life as best I can and hope that he makes the right moral decision whatever the situation may be, just like the Bakers did with me and all of their children. Alan and Joanne both know right from wrong, we were all taught this. They both should have stopped and thought about the consequences of their actions but they didn’t. Why? I don’t know. I wish I did, but I do know The Bakers did their very best and gave all the children the best start in life they could, some took heed, some didn’t but it was not their fault.
Thanks to everyone else on here that has not jumped to the conclusion that the entire Baker family are bad news.
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as far as your headline comment re alan baker (KILLER)the word relates to premeditated killing.Alan baker,s case was one of manslaughter not premeditated murder there is a big difference.I do not condone violence in any form but I would like to point out that alan was sentenced by the courts to 3 years 9 months for this offence and as such he and anyone else in similar circumstances has the right to apply for parole that is the law of our island and applies to everyone whomsoever.
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I dont get what other members of the family have to do with this story. There have been affected so much already by what people say.
I dont believe that that Joanne did has anything to do with this story just because there related.
Look at Adam, he is thir brother and yet he is completely different, he is a well respected boxer, a great friend and a all round good person.
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@Adam Baker and Anon,
You both should have refrained from commenting as you have made everyone’s perception of the family come true. ‘come say it to my face’ ‘bitching about my parents’ ha ha seriously you have made yourselves to look like idiots! and you’re a boxer wow it’s guernsey anyone could be a successful boxer over here! I know Alan and Jo very well and they will be the first to tell you they have no empathy towards the victims and what their plans are when they get out!
@Anon your english is terrible! but i do respect your loyalty lets hope thats what it is and not an excuse to win points with the family hmmmm maybe you should quit and put eastenders on!
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Well Kelly (bakers fiancé) baker can obviously only punch drunk and incapable people. who in there right mind would hit some one so obviously drunk and unable to defend themselves ! at least he has got time to reflect on this ! plenty of time for the younger of the family to follow in their elders footsteps !Matty, i am probably more local than you will ever be cocker !
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I’m amazed at how people use this comment facility to argue and throw accusations….
In correct English, as reading these posts have hurt my brain somewhat, Alan is serving his time as enforced by the law. Regardless of what he has done in the past etc, none of which I condone, he has a right to parole. We can only hope that he has learned his lesson. I’m very doubtful as he does seem to be a repeat offender, however it seems within the confines of thelaw everyone is given the benefit of doubt.
With regards to the parents, I have the utmost respect for them as people. No doubt when they were bringing up their family, quite admirabely I might add, they would never have imagined the hurt and pain that their family would give back to them. They have been through so much and to have everyone doubting their capabilities as parents, as I no doubt would have also done if I didnt know who they were, is surely upsetting to them. Some families only have one member who will go off the rails to such an extent that they are jailed; it is their absolute misfortune to have two members of the family who have done so. I really dont think they should be dragged into this debate, as the whole purpose of this thread was to air views about parole.
Lets get back on subject hey?
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Baker will never change , ever. he was violent before he went to prison for this offence, and yes I know him. I have even done time on the same wing as him. yes hes scared now, and so he should be.
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OK gob smacked, back to parole it is ! Dont give him parole. extend the sentence !
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It’s nice to see people sticking up for the family, like you said Gobsmacked the parents have had to deal with all the hurt and pain. People saying things about them behide there backs. It’s time to give them a break and let them get on with there lifes without people butting there nose in. The Parents are such lovely people and great friends. NOT ALL THE BAKERS ARE BAD PEOPLE!!!!
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@ Gobsmacked
well said and very good use of the English language. I was starting to get a head-ache reading some of these posts.
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Quite right John. The Senners are fine chaps. No need to shout though.
As for the feral member of the Baker family, seems he did us a favour by taking out an English druggie, if the eloquent Kelly the Fiance is to be believed.
Seems to be some confusion though – the GP place the poor boy in the bathroom as a tiler whereas the Baker apologist reckons he was out in the fields as a tiller.
Either way, and back to topic, pitiful sentence for ending someone’s life and parole shouldn’t even be on the radar for Alan nor for the equally thuggish sister or whatever their relationship is.
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Gobsmaacked
Quite a good post, but wrong on one fundamental point; Alan Baker has absolutely no right to parole, what he does have is a right to APPLY for parole, two totally different things.
Being a repeat violent offender, it is, I amagine, quite unlikely that he will be given it, and that is IMO the correct decision.
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once again the Guernsey justice system showing the complete ineptitude that has plagued it for years. a killer gets 3 1/2 years in jail but a hard working, honest, man, who likes nothing more to smoke a little pot in his own home and not bother a single person in doing so, gets the book thrown at them. just another example to the stupid effing laws and idealisms that this backwards island has. STATES OF GUERNSEY, YOU HAVE NO GRASP ON THE REAL WORLD
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I believe an eye for an eye
If you kill someone you should automatically be exterminated, harsh, no way, they have taken someones life for gods sake
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Sylvia
Get a grip on reality for a minute! If you had a car accident but was your fault and you killed some one you would expect to be ‘Exterminated’. If you a pervert assults your child do you do the same to theirs!
I don’t agree he should get parole – you do the crime you do the time. But saying an eye for an eye is just a stupid comment to come out with!
Try thinking before you post
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I would say death penalty – but being sentenced to a life as Alan Baker is harsh enough!
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@ Justice;
I apologize, I didn’t actually mean I was in favor of him getting parole, I merely meant that the law has decided that he is eligible for it. I hope he doesn’t get early release, im all for him staying in there forever. No doubt he will be straight back in there….
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