Education minister tenders her resignation
Friday 30th September 2011, 9:56AM BST.
EDUCATION minister Carol Steere has offered her resignation in the wake of her handling of the GCSE saga.
Deputy Steere (pictured) announced in the States this morning that she wanted her resignation to be debated by the Assembly at the earliest opportunity – which is likely to be mid-October.
The department was forced to reveal on Wednesday the High Schools’ GCSE pass rates at A* to C including English and Maths having consistently refusing to do so.
It showed that La Mare de Carteret’s provisional results for this year were 12%, something which led to public calls for her resignation.
- More on this story in Saturday’s Guernsey Press
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Hurray sense at last – get her out and someone in who can shake the system up to sort out the obvious issues
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Need a few of the civil servants and senior staff at the failing schools out too to make any difference………………
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No surprise there…can think of a few others who should follow her lead.
Let this be a lesson to the voters of Guernsey: next April will be no time for apathy.
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There are some serious failings in the Education Department and it is not just Ms Steere who needs to consider her position; the Director of Education should also be made accountable for those long term failings. An independent review of the department would be a positive way to highlight, and to make public, the concerns that many people have regarding the running of the Education Department.
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Don’t jump to conclusions about her resignation. Yes she has offered it, but wants it to be debated by the States.
I will be very surprised if it is accepted at debate.
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It’s the Director of Education and the Headteachers of La Mare and St Sampson’s that need to resign.
Carol Steere is only the figurehead for the Dept… having said that, she should have a tighter control of her Director of Education.
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Isn’t it funny that the front page of Today’s Press states “Education minister rules out question of resignation”, and yet this morning she finally does the decent thing and offers her resignation.
Just adds more weight to the commonly held belief that she didn’t have a clue what she was doing (or saying!)
It’s just a shame that this resignation offer has to be debated at all – I’m sure it’s got the good folk of Guernsey’s vote!!!
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Even now in the face of an appalling failure of her office, our noble education minister has not been able to do the decent thing and stand down, but rather to ask the states to “debate her resignation”. Carole, just resign. The time you would save in the house could be invested in debating initiatives to improve education standards, following a much needed enquiry to establish what has gone so terribly wrong.
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Successful education begins at home with parenting.
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Don’t let the door hit you on the way out deere!
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Actually I think replacing one deputy with another will not have much of an effect. It would be far far better if these deputies spent some time sat in the back of the classrooms at the MDC to see for themselves where the problems are. I don’t mean for 10 minutes either, I mean spend a week full time in that school and see for yourselves what the teachers face every day.
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‘She wanted her resignation to be debated’?
How pompous is that? Why can’t she simply state she feels she has to resign following the debacle that occurred under her leadership.
Ultimately she is responsible so she carries the can. It sounds as if she has been given back room support already and this is a smokescreen so she can later say ‘I offered to resign but they didn’t take it’.
Is she on a licence?
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I’m sorry this is not really good news; this only goes to prove that there is no accountability in the states. The Education has spent 10’s of millions in new buildings and other accessories and the standard of schooling has declined. This all done with the view “oops” oh i’ll resign and let someone else sort it.
The system has failed 100’s of children who will now always be on the back foot when Appling for jobs and overall confidence.
Mrs Steere, should be made to resign as a Deputy not just the post, rescind her golden pension and be unavailable for the next elections.
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Good.
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As she knows too many secrets there is not a chance that her resignation will be accepted. Has been the case numerous times during the life of these states she and others will be told what a great job she has done and not to be silly as we can’t do without her! It’s a disgrace.
Hopefully at next election we can all refuse to vote for any of the current Policy Council as that is the only way for change to happen.
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I don’t think replacing Ms Steere with a different (and somehow superhuman) politician will miraculously solve the problems. Her ideas about uniform and buildings are good ones but are unpopular for the wrong reasons. I think she has been on the right track but issues like these take years to sort out and there are reasons for the failings which she should not be blamed for. It is right that the exam results are now public but it is understandable that she had concerns for LMDC, its morale and reputation.
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When the going gets tough, the tough get going… No wait they just give up and quit. Nice one next they will be teaching that in schools
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Hopefully when her resignation is debated by the States they will have the sense to accept it with open arms. In respect of her as Deputy, move her to a department with a dark room and lock the door till April. I request the good people of Guernsey not to vote for this woman again. As for the failings in the education system perhaps her time would have been better spent reviewing the failings of standards, rather than her hair brained proposals of closing this school or that school, or introducing uniforms (in my opinion what a child wears does not affect their ability to learn and pass exams) This woman has been more interested in the Balance sheet than the education of the Islands children.
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The failings with education begin in the home, that is were the root of accountability starts.
Children should have direction and boundaries ingrained in them before their first day at school. To much is left for the Teachers to set and mop up, this is unfair on those children with the acceptance to conform and try. Perhaps what is needed is structured pre school to backup where parenting is failing. Both these schools appear the most in this paper, recent two articles I can think of is bullying and peircings, both attitudes parents should have been controlling and not leaving it to occur in the school and therefore indicating a disruptive moral.
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STEERE SHOULD GO NOW and so should Derek Neale.
The whole sorry shower are a disgrace and have completely failed the island’s secondary school children for years on end.
It is time for a major overhaul of the island’s secondary schools. If we MUST have the ghastly 11+, we should at least bring our secondary schools into line with the Grammar (in terms of teaching staff, facilities, subjects on offer etc) otherwise we are effectively consigning 75% of the island’s children to the scrap heap every year.
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@Scott – could not agree with you more
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Thats it Carol, run the ship aground and then bail out!
If she had the faintest clue how to turn things around she wouldnt have made this move, which suggests she shouldnt have been there in the first place. And is only resigning because of awful truth she tried to hide is now out.
She would have been happy to keep all this under the carpet and carry on as education minister (as she said she wanted to last week) so in other words carry on failing our children but trying to make us beleive it’s all ok using lies and clever bending of statistics.
In a sense I’d have been happier if she had come out fighting and said “I know whats required, and its X, lets do it”, this is the weasel way out that not only shows a lack of fight from a person we elected in good faith, it also shows she should never have gotten into that position, and I dont know which is more scary.
How the hell can we expect to improve things for our children, if this is the type of role model that the Guernsey people vote in and allow to get in a position where she represents thier best interests.
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I don’t think replacing Deputy Steere with a new miniser will make a difference.
The difficult issues faced such as low GCSE grades are not solely the Education Departments fault.
The idiots on here are all too quick to criticise Deputy Steere and the department in a lynch mob fashion without even really looking/blaming/attacking the other deeper reasons for poor results.
Responsibility also lies in parents, upbringing and childrens social and economical backgrounds to.
Blaming the teachers is also not that the way to go. The teachers can only do so much, it’s then the parents and childrens responsibility to play their part in the education.
The debate is also on Maths and English results and ignoring all the other subjects. I have 4 GCSE’s and 2 A Levels but got a poor Maths grade. My strongest GCSE result was English and I consider myself more of a creative then an academic, this has never crippled my ability to hold down I would say a fairly decent and respected job.
Every child is different, deal with it. I totally agree Maths and English are extremely important but not everyones going to be good at either and it’s not a basis for overall intellegence.
As someone else said Mrs Steere is on the right track and I agree. Let’s be honest who could do a better job?
Anyone else think Deputy Jane Stephens is looking just a little bit bitter??
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I agree on getting rid of the 11+. If the 11+ was gone than this would do wonders for a shake up of the schools.
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I don’t know how all of you can sit there and discriminate my school, unless you have been taught there in the past few years. I have been in education at LMDC for the whole of my secondary education and I wouldn’t like to think of being educated anywhere else.
Maybe the statistics from least years results aren’t the best, but that doesn’t mean that the rest of the school should get a bad reputation! This shouldn’t have anything to do with our teachers as they all work extremely hard on giving us a great education and helping us in the getting the good grades that we want!
I love how they have picked on the bad things about my school but yet things that we do do well in, they don’t seem interested in. On the P.E side of things we are one of the best performing schools in the island if not the best.
Before passing judgement look that whole picture! We cannot be compared to England’s statistics as we still have the stupid 11+ system, as the other 25% go elsewhere and of course will boost those statistics of the school they go to.
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Why would getting rid of the II+ do wonders for a shake up of the schools. Guernsey’s overall GCSE results are better than those of the UK because we have selective education. Academically able children in Guernsey are well served by the Grammar school and colleges. It is the less academically able that are suffering under the current system. Going comprehensive might even out the pass rate statistics but what is it going to do to improve the educational attainment of those currently failing?
As the product of a large Uk comprehensive myself, I would not under any circumstances choose to educate my children in a similar school.
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The 11 + is an antiquated exam which for some reason has been allowed to remain in Guernsey. Unfortunately it is the biggest reason for the watershed which exists in the Guernsey Education System .A large percentage of the children who pass to the colleges and Grammar receive extensive coaching at a rate of £50 +/hour. This 11+ coaching is a budding industry in Guernsey, and if you cant afford to give your child this additional privilege,like it or not their chances are greatly reduced. It is exactly the parents who can afford the coaching that can afford the private education on the island.
The spend per child at Grammar school is significantly higher than for the States secondary schools. Why is no one surprised that the results are poor.The colleges should stand on theIr own two feet. If those affluent parents who pay for 11+ coaching so desperately want their children to go to college they should pay the appropriate fees .The money given to the colleges should be put into the secondary schools to bring them up to scratch.
Each child in Guernsey should be given an equal opportunity for a good education whether they pass the 11 + by 1 mark or fail by 1 mark.
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LMDC student PE is not going to pay the morgtage if you can ever get one on this island.
also the shortcomings at st sampsons would that be in ENGLISH. as my daughter cant understand her ENGLISH teacher from slovacia if thats how you spell it. I left school with no GCSE or A LEVELS as you can see by my poor spelling. but I want more for my child but not sure if she will get it at the over crowded st sampsons high. having left Amhurst which was excellent with good grades which have gone down in the 3 years she has been there me and her father both work full time pay morgtage and everything which goes with owning your own home if only there were some pennies left at the end of the month to pay private she would be out of there yesterday
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Darren – I thought exactly the same as you. Pompous.
Dave Haslam – Agree 100%
Nowhere left to hide so shes spat the dummy and thrown all her toys out of the pram.. and what’s more a couple of other deputies have taken her lead and followed suite! How immature. Hows about a bit of humble pie? Admit your mistakes. Take responsibility and get on with the job in an honest, transparent and accountable way in full public view with nothing to hide. Accept the audit of the education department as an opportunity to learn and grow. Study those systems which are working in other countries and implement the most effective methods in order to meet and exceed the high standards of education which we expect for our children. Is this too much to ask rather than wasting more states time, money and energy?
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Mr Reality – well said
Ms Stephens was unfortunately right that the (questionable) statistics should be in the open but has shown less compassion for the impact on LMDC and its pupils which Ms Steere does seem to have been correctly cautious about.
Dave Haslam – Ms Steere has not simply bailed out but asked for the issue of her resignation to be debated which seems the appropriate thing in the circumstances.
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Parent A
Ok, then she’s asked for permission to bail out! If that makes you feel better……. Good Grief!
If anything thats worse again, she cant even make the decision to resign, she needs help with that.
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I just wonder if this overnight decision, carefully orchestrated, has been brought about due to influences from her now defunct political friends, Pritchard and Roffey, together with that ever shadower in the wings, Rep Brehaut.
It is totally in character though for Rep Steere to ‘want’ her resignation debated; this way, she has an opportunity to remain in Government. There is no likelyhood of an AGM being bought about by the House, as was the case with Rep Flouquet, who must be laughing up his sleeve.
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The State of Education in Guernsey is appalling – we are no longer an isolated little island,the work place is highly competitive and our children will need to keep abreast of global educational trends. For the best universities and ultimately the best jobs. The best option if you have the money is too send them off island to schools in the UK.
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Parent A
No you are right. The statistics are clearly faulty, although you’ve never explained how, you’re just repeating the phrase in the vain hope that we’ll fall for it (sound familiar??).
Clearly they were wrong to release the information and let people know the obvious truth.
Clearly everything is fine with the schools.
Clearly theres nothing to see here.
Lets brush it back under the carpet and carry on afteall the PE department is apparently great!!
Carol Steere for Chief Minister
Beginning to think you work in the education department.
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Dave Haslam
I don’t think she wants to go – that was my point. With the level of criticism how can she do anything other than offer to resign? I completely understand your strong feelings on this subject but are you expecting a miracle worker to step forward to replace her? That would make us all feel better but I just don’t think this situation nor the solution is straight forward. I will be interested in the findings of the review.
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The problem lies with the civil service in my view, not the minister.
the more I see of the workings of the States, the more I realise that the ever changing round of deputies are simply a smokescreen for the civil servants behind the scenes.
Personally, I think Carol Steere is a good and conscientious deputy and it would be a shame to lose her from the States in the next election, only to end up with more rich old retired men who seem to be increasingly making up the States of Deliberation.
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@ms reality
Great, your child goes to St Sampson’s and has a English teacher from ‘slovacia’… I think you’ll find it’s Slovakia.
My son had this teacher and thought they were the most brilliant English teacher ever… a fantastic understanding of the English language and now has inspired him to do English A Level at the 6th Form Centre.
Stop being so racist and do some reading at home with your child. Perhaps, like many others, its the parents at fault and not the teacher.
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Presidential till the last, well done Carol, hug the limelight for a little longer! You are the weakest link…….. You know the rest!
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Mr Lloyd
I never stated that the statistics are faulty I described them as questionable. Its not for me to explain – this is why they are having a review.
I have stated in this thread that it is right that the information was released.
I absolutely agree this is a serious matter which must be reviewed and debated – formally and publicly.
If you wish to argue against my views I have no problem with that but you seem to have misunderstood what my views are and therefore misrepresented them in your post.
I agree with your valid concerns but you and many others seem very keen to jump to conclusions.
Until those with more knowledge than me come to the proper decisions about Ms Steere’s future, and the roots of these problems, through the proper channels, I will continue to support the pupils, the schools and teachers and our politicians all of whom are doing their best.
No I’m not a politician! I’m just A parent.
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I dont expect a miracle worker, but I expect honesty as the very first requirement of anyone it that position. We havent got that from CS, we have someone who’ll spin and spin and in the face of clear evidence still try and convince us its not that bad.
We need someone who’ll firstly accept theres a major fault. I still dont think she accepts that.
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Dave Haslam
I agree transparency is imperative but whatever her true motives the fact is the release of this information has been very damaging and upsetting and of course all those involved – top to bottom – knew it would be. I don’t know whether these figures have ever been compiled before so was there not always a time bomb? Were her predecessors also concealing this? I’m hoping the review will explain all.
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Not Racist
Where in her post was she being “racist”
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I for one am pleased that Carol Steere has tendered her resignation. And I believe Lyndon is right to wade in and demand a thorough review.
However, significant amounts of blame must go to the Education Department and in particular Derek Neale, his Deputy Director (Education), his Assistant Director and then, believe it or not, The Schools Improvement Manager(!) and his or her own large team. The staff organisation chart is on education.gg and is mind bogglingly large, and no doubt extremely expensive!
What have all these people been doing? The Education Board seem to be indicating that the Department were only aware of some of these issues in March. It seems that it is as much the Department suppressing bad news as the Board itself.
The Education Department needs a good clear out. No jobs for life if they aren’t up to it. With that, I would include the Communications Manager who doesn’t seem to be handling any of it very well either.
They are a disgrace. We have been lead to believe that we have an education system to be proud of whilst they’ve all been swabbing around behind the scenes having a snooze with their feet on the desk.
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Of all the posts above Parent A has by far the most common sense approach as to the situation.
The majority in the forum are shouting the odds without knowing the full facts,(I certainly don’t know them) guessing at them for the most part.
By Deputy Steer having her resignation debated, I suspect some of those facts will emerge and we may be all the wiser.
What we must remember is that all these people are working for the good of the education of our children. Something may have gone amiss somewhere, but until all the facts are revealed we are only guessing.
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It is mr wheeler who should go. What exactly are the details of the gcse results at lmdc? Can he telL us how many students got a c or above in English and how many in maths
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rocquaine has a deeper understanding than most.
Any normal reasonable newly voted in politician will meet the highly educated, cast iron contracted suits of the civil service.
Even David Cameron and his cabinet have complained at the contracts that they have negotiated. The Guernsey and Jersey States need to look at the checks and balances of these contracts given to civil servants.
Its no point boxing ( or trying to sack someone ) if your hands are tied behind your back as politicians have found.
The good news is that Government can vote to change anything even if there is a cost.
Davey West.
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Something seriously wrong with our culture today.
It seems that when a politician does anything wrong these days they just play the ‘tender resignation’ card.
Deputy Carol Steere how pathetic!
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The buck stops at the top e.g. Steere and the Headteachers. Leave the children out of this farce.
Steere Go. Headteachers LMDC and St Sampson’s Go.
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Did you hear the BBC Radio phone-in this morning ? Deputy Steere’s performance was unapologetic and conviction orientated and Gillson’s comments were courageous to say the least.
It must be very hard for Steere and her department to meet their objectives if they believe that the fundamental basis of the education system (11 plus) is deeply flawed and that no Educationalist wishes it to continue.
It is easy to conclude from the High School GCSE results that Education couldn’t run a party in a brewery. But in a very real sense the current situation is like trying to run a successful brewery with a board comprised of tea-totallers – Something has to change. Either get people in who like a beer or make smoothies instead.
Unfortunately , as with all conviction politicians (e.g. Blair and Iraq, Thatcher and poll tax) she has an inability to see the need to make the required apology. The electorate think that Education,over many years, has played fast and loose with the statistics.In the States next month, she may find it costs her dearly. She has, however, offered the electorate quite a dilemma. With the rightful publication of these results, the electorate now think that the poor basic performance in the High Schools is too great to allow the divisive 11plus to continue and the most egregious of these results have occurred under her watch; and yet she appears to be saying that if you vote for her, she will help dismantle this system.
Deputy Gillson’s performance on this issue achieved, possibly, a unique double; his comments being both self-serving and quite self-defeating.
He plainly hasn’t learned from the Comment section of the Press (ref. 11plus “What can be fairer than that?) that what goes down well for one audience can seem excruciating to another – a serious error of judgement in a politician.
He compounds this error by saying that the 11plus is a good system because it is easy to understand. Should one really choose an educational system on the basis that it appeals to one’s “inner administrator”? He appears to display no knowledge of the 11plus in terms of why age 11 was historically chosen for selection and, importantly, why it is now thoroughly discredited.
He advertises how good the independent sector is compared to the State Sector and opines that whilst a 100% pass rate is to be celebrated in his school, a 30% pass rate should be regarded as par for the State Sector. Another winner.
His performance raises the legitimate question of whether anyone on the board of governors of one the Independents should be allowed a vote of what goes on in the State Sector (a sort of educational West Lothian question). The conflict appears to be massive i.e. if the 11plus is abolished what happens to the State funding of the Colleges?
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Carol Steere was pathetic on the phone-in today. Not an ounce of humility – just self-righteous pontificating. Guernsey has some wonderful schools in spite of, not because of, the Education Department.
She was totally disingenuous with regard to the review of the Education Department. She brought up about the validation of schools, which is a completely separate subject. All schools have been inspected twice in the last ten years and are on their third cycle of inspection but in all this time the Education Department has avoided any attempt to have itself evaluated. Its tough as a teacher being inspected but we accept it as part of our job. Pity the Education officers and board won’t do the same.
Can she explain why she has just appointed an assistant director on £80,000 per year and is advertising for a “schools improvement officer” at £62,000 per year.
Deputy Steere, learn some lessons from the last States. Four years ago the Education Department was in disarray after being publicly humiliated in their unfair dismissal of headteacher Jane Stephens. Martin Ozanne retired. His sidekick Wendy Morgan lost her seat and everyone looked forward to Deputy Steere bringing in a breath of fresh air. What did we get? More of the same. Martin Ozanne in a short skirt and a Board that rarely set foot outside their bunker, far too busy congratulating each other on another building “on time and on budget”.
Lets have a clean sweep – maybe third time lucky we might get a Board and a slimmed down Education Department worthy of the hardworking students, and their teachers at the chalkface trying to make a difference.
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How can they carry on with the pre-school idea when they can’t even get the actual schooling right?
Oh yes, it could be vote winner.
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this is depressing – why doesnt she apologise? Because she has done nothing wrong in her eyes and cant understand why parents are so angry and disappointed.
I feel lied to by a condescending minister and ineffective board. what will changing a politician or board achieve someone asked – I might trust and respect someone who admits reality and tells the truth. i will never respect or trust this board.
this whole 11+ thing makes me wonder if there are chips on shoulders on education board? what did they do at 11?
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Interesting post Grumpy teacher, but there won’t be a breath of fresh air in there until Neale goes. No matter who takes over from Steere and her political board. They’re not the root cause of the current situation.
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The single best thing to help these failing schools is to remove them from states control- much in line with the UK academies. Everything is very cosy at the department of education with no effective performance reviews of those civil servants and politicians. It is laughable that the states are so keen to reduce college funding to the good schools on the island when the result will be that they have to pay full per capita education funding for the same pupil to get a substandard education – only in guernsey!
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Several posters are suggesting Ms Steere should be spared the axe as her role is mainly that of a figure head, with little influence over the operational side of running the Islands’ Schools.
If that is the case why does Ms Steers draw an extra salary for running a Department, and more to the point why have a Head of Department if they have no influence over results?
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Thanks Martino, you are absolutely right.
We need a breath of fresh air and all we get is the same old stale, hot wind.
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No parent wants to see their children in such a sorry situation; life will be hard enough for them in such tough times.
Glad I got through junior/secondary school with teachers who knew how to engage pupils and who commanded respect; backed up by parents who “stood no nonsense” from me. Very often tried to rebel at the time but 40yrs later I now know they were the wise ones.
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Grumpy Teacher – out of interest, any ideas how much head teachers and other senior staff in schools get paid?
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A good gardener keeps his garden WEED free:
Weeds are parasites
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yea 4 sure islander and managed properly too.
D root the 11 plus and compost the subsidies to the colleges.
redistribute on to a level playing field.
then our island would be moving to potential.
to flowering in full bloom.
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Bring in the uk boffins before its to late
Rule Britannia
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Lets not forget Tony Spruce in all of this. Not the first time he chucks his toys out of the pram when things are not going well.
What we need are people who are prepared to find solutions to problems and lead on behalf of the electorate. What we have are failed business men looking for something little to do with their time for maximum reward whilst hopefully boosting their ego’s!!!
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Today the Bank of England magiced up out of thin air another £75 Billion further devaluing Sterling and in the process wiped cica £75 million off the value of Guernsey’s Sterling based econamy,
The Chief Minister said……… Nothing
The Chancellor said…………. Nothing
The Other Ministers said…….. Nothing
All the Deputies Said ………. Nothing
The Bankers said …………… Nothing
I can’t believe they were all educated at La Mare!
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Since her reincarnation as a Minister, Deputy Mrs Carol Steer has adopted an increasingly cavalier attitude in her dealing with the general public and her minions; as Minister of her department she should carry the can. The States must immediately accept her resignation (which she seems to be trying to wriggle out of), even if there are only a few months left before the next election.
Let’s hope the electorate sees through her thin affected veneer in 2011 – I don’t imagine that she will be able to find such a well paid job in the real world.
Bye bye Carol!
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I agree that she must stand by her original decision to resign and GO NOW – and not come back! Perhaps she should take some of the deadwood with her!
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“It showed that La Mare de Carteret’s provisional results for this year were 12%, something which led to public calls for her resignation.”
12% ! Tell me I am not reading this right! How can you blame a GCSE pass rate of 12% on ONE person.
12% I weep for the future.
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carol steere has been a joke from day 1, I am so happy she has gone.
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Questor, There is a leadership spine for heads and deputies which runs from about £49000 to about £89000. So the deputy head of a small school like St Sampsons infants would be on the bottom and the head of the College of FE would be on the top. The rest would be somewhere in the middle depending on how many pupils in the school.
Civil Servants in the Ed dept earn more than this. I think Derek Neale is on about £130000. I wonder how many teachers know what he looks like. He never visits schools. I dont ever remember him coming to my school apart from the odd concert and I have been teaching since before he was appointed. I have no idea what he does.
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