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		<title>By: Toolbag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toolbag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 06:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps one way to save money long term would be to have a policy of migrating to Linux software from Windows and stop paying licence fees to Bill Gates.
Linux is free, and I would suggest that if it is good enought for the White House, US Department of Defense, Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, French Gendarmerie and Federal Aviation Administration etc. etc. then it will be fine for the SOG.
It would be interesting to know the licencing fees the SOG pay, with a view to seeing how the short-term costs of retraining the staff would be covered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps one way to save money long term would be to have a policy of migrating to Linux software from Windows and stop paying licence fees to Bill Gates.<br />
Linux is free, and I would suggest that if it is good enought for the White House, US Department of Defense, Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, French Gendarmerie and Federal Aviation Administration etc. etc. then it will be fine for the SOG.<br />
It would be interesting to know the licencing fees the SOG pay, with a view to seeing how the short-term costs of retraining the staff would be covered.</p>
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		<title>By: Scarlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scarlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 00:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Pipedown.
you have no idea how much I cram into my busy 7 days a week thanks to multi tasking and the joy of being self employed.

As  for my criticism of the States, you show me a group of more than 3 people who thinks our current States is doing a good job, and I&#039;ll  show you a States Committee...and as for being a politician, sadly I don&#039;t possess the entire lack of common sense that seems quintessential for the role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Pipedown.<br />
you have no idea how much I cram into my busy 7 days a week thanks to multi tasking and the joy of being self employed.</p>
<p>As  for my criticism of the States, you show me a group of more than 3 people who thinks our current States is doing a good job, and I&#8217;ll  show you a States Committee&#8230;and as for being a politician, sadly I don&#8217;t possess the entire lack of common sense that seems quintessential for the role.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Benedict

Thanks for that.  I had realised I was exaggerating to make a point.  However I&#039;m happy to spell it out.  

People with a particular axe to grind (for whatever reason) frequently hold up and exaggerate the expertise of anyone&#039;s opinion if it agrees with theirs.  At the same time they will happily rubbish the views of anyone of similar status and/or expertise (and often people with greater, more relevant experience and expertise) if it doesn&#039;t agree with their narrow view. It&#039;s the way of the world, but it is not particularly clever or consistent and it doesn&#039;t hurt to challenge it.  

If someone doesn&#039;t challenge what appears a dubious argument, specious claims and accusations that follow from that argument can have a habit of becoming fact. I fear there are plenty of dubious statements masquerading as fact in a lot of threads.  

I apologise if the point of my analogy was not more obvious.  As for faulty logic though, I didn&#039;t start it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Benedict</p>
<p>Thanks for that.  I had realised I was exaggerating to make a point.  However I&#8217;m happy to spell it out.  </p>
<p>People with a particular axe to grind (for whatever reason) frequently hold up and exaggerate the expertise of anyone&#8217;s opinion if it agrees with theirs.  At the same time they will happily rubbish the views of anyone of similar status and/or expertise (and often people with greater, more relevant experience and expertise) if it doesn&#8217;t agree with their narrow view. It&#8217;s the way of the world, but it is not particularly clever or consistent and it doesn&#8217;t hurt to challenge it.  </p>
<p>If someone doesn&#8217;t challenge what appears a dubious argument, specious claims and accusations that follow from that argument can have a habit of becoming fact. I fear there are plenty of dubious statements masquerading as fact in a lot of threads.  </p>
<p>I apologise if the point of my analogy was not more obvious.  As for faulty logic though, I didn&#8217;t start it!</p>
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		<title>By: benedict</title>
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		<dc:creator>benedict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert
In several posts you argue by analogy that the busdriver should be asked how to improve the internal combustion engine. Your analogy is faulty. The proper parallel would be to ask the busdriver about road improvements. He might well have relevant observations about that.  No one was asking the pilot to redesign the jet engine.
I know nothing about this subject. All that I would say is that your posts do not inspire confidence because of their faulty logic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert<br />
In several posts you argue by analogy that the busdriver should be asked how to improve the internal combustion engine. Your analogy is faulty. The proper parallel would be to ask the busdriver about road improvements. He might well have relevant observations about that.  No one was asking the pilot to redesign the jet engine.<br />
I know nothing about this subject. All that I would say is that your posts do not inspire confidence because of their faulty logic.</p>
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		<title>By: islander</title>
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		<dc:creator>islander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 16:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone tell me if frossard house is still using Windows computer opperating system with the card game patients on it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone tell me if frossard house is still using Windows computer opperating system with the card game patients on it?</p>
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		<title>By: Pipe down!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pipe down!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Scarlett

Based on the number of contributions you seem to make to this forum you can&#039;t have a job or at any rate not one that takes up much time, so why not stand for election next time? You seem to be a critic of all things States related so why not put your constant whinging into practice? If not, take a step back and relax for a while, all this anger can&#039;t be good for your health - and you probably won&#039;t get treated very quickly at the PEH if HSSD&#039;s woes continue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Scarlett</p>
<p>Based on the number of contributions you seem to make to this forum you can&#8217;t have a job or at any rate not one that takes up much time, so why not stand for election next time? You seem to be a critic of all things States related so why not put your constant whinging into practice? If not, take a step back and relax for a while, all this anger can&#8217;t be good for your health &#8211; and you probably won&#8217;t get treated very quickly at the PEH if HSSD&#8217;s woes continue!</p>
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		<title>By: islander</title>
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		<dc:creator>islander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 11:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2013 Budget.

Same issues every year,tobacco,fuel and drink.

Time for changes.

Lower fuel duties.

Introduce tax on open market property

Second homes

4x4 vehicles

Armoured vehicles

mobile phones



4x4 vehicles</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2013 Budget.</p>
<p>Same issues every year,tobacco,fuel and drink.</p>
<p>Time for changes.</p>
<p>Lower fuel duties.</p>
<p>Introduce tax on open market property</p>
<p>Second homes</p>
<p>4&#215;4 vehicles</p>
<p>Armoured vehicles</p>
<p>mobile phones</p>
<p>4&#215;4 vehicles</p>
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		<title>By: islander</title>
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		<dc:creator>islander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 09:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerned Islander

1.States of Guernsey overstaffing levels

2. cut out tax payers surpported civil sevice pension scheme.

3. bring back private inssurance allowance taken away from income tax allowance.

4.Rent control and health and safety measures of all rented property, certificated.

5. devalue property to realistic price for more locals to compete.

6.cease imported unskilled labour.use local labour where possible.

Invest in Guernsey.[Bank of Guernsey]


cease issueing housing licences until The States of Guernsey have put their own house in order</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerned Islander</p>
<p>1.States of Guernsey overstaffing levels</p>
<p>2. cut out tax payers surpported civil sevice pension scheme.</p>
<p>3. bring back private inssurance allowance taken away from income tax allowance.</p>
<p>4.Rent control and health and safety measures of all rented property, certificated.</p>
<p>5. devalue property to realistic price for more locals to compete.</p>
<p>6.cease imported unskilled labour.use local labour where possible.</p>
<p>Invest in Guernsey.[Bank of Guernsey]</p>
<p>cease issueing housing licences until The States of Guernsey have put their own house in order</p>
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		<title>By: Scarlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scarlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 09:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if you turn that statement round and say &#039;the States seems to think that the people are a bottomless pit of money &#039;you&#039;ve got it about right there, Herbert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if you turn that statement round and say &#8216;the States seems to think that the people are a bottomless pit of money &#8216;you&#8217;ve got it about right there, Herbert.</p>
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		<title>By: Watcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 21:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the first the Deputies hear about it is when their senior staff throw the idea onto the table. Very few of these glamour projects come up as a result of a politician&#039;s wish list or public demand, they are put forward by civil servants who want to turn their pet projects into reality. Nothing changes, the politicians all sit around making plans - and the civil servants smile. For a politician of Dave Jones&#039; experience to suggest some of these things are what the public want is almost laughable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the first the Deputies hear about it is when their senior staff throw the idea onto the table. Very few of these glamour projects come up as a result of a politician&#8217;s wish list or public demand, they are put forward by civil servants who want to turn their pet projects into reality. Nothing changes, the politicians all sit around making plans &#8211; and the civil servants smile. For a politician of Dave Jones&#8217; experience to suggest some of these things are what the public want is almost laughable.</p>
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		<title>By: Yvonne Burford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yvonne Burford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 17:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the term &#039;vanity project&#039; possibly has a broader meaning than you infer.I would have put the terminal building in that category for example.

I still think it looks out of place in Guernsey, architecturally, and it is certainly out of place physically. 

The best place for the terminal was where it was before it was demolished as this was more in the middle of the available apron space. Now we have a terminal stuck at one end of the apron space, hence the long glass walkway to the east end.

There are people (in the States and out) who believed we needed a glitzy building to enhance Guernsey&#039;s &#039;image&#039;. I am not one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the term &#8216;vanity project&#8217; possibly has a broader meaning than you infer.I would have put the terminal building in that category for example.</p>
<p>I still think it looks out of place in Guernsey, architecturally, and it is certainly out of place physically. </p>
<p>The best place for the terminal was where it was before it was demolished as this was more in the middle of the available apron space. Now we have a terminal stuck at one end of the apron space, hence the long glass walkway to the east end.</p>
<p>There are people (in the States and out) who believed we needed a glitzy building to enhance Guernsey&#8217;s &#8216;image&#8217;. I am not one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Herbert Roth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herbert Roth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 15:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave

Point taken, there are people out there who seem to think that the States is a bottomless pit of money. I myself am all for providing the best services possible with the money that is available, but I do not believe in cutting services to &#039;save money&#039; and I certainly do not believe in borrowing to fund capital projects. If asked, I would gladly pay a few pence more in tax for quality services, but at the same time I would also ask that States departments make greater efforts to cut unnecessary expenditure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave</p>
<p>Point taken, there are people out there who seem to think that the States is a bottomless pit of money. I myself am all for providing the best services possible with the money that is available, but I do not believe in cutting services to &#8216;save money&#8217; and I certainly do not believe in borrowing to fund capital projects. If asked, I would gladly pay a few pence more in tax for quality services, but at the same time I would also ask that States departments make greater efforts to cut unnecessary expenditure.</p>
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		<title>By: markB</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 14:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t recall ever hearing or seeing  public protests demanding  a new airport or larger runway, deep birth harbours, building of schools and hospital wings etc etc . 			

Usually the first the public know about any new project is when its announced  by the States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t recall ever hearing or seeing  public protests demanding  a new airport or larger runway, deep birth harbours, building of schools and hospital wings etc etc . 			</p>
<p>Usually the first the public know about any new project is when its announced  by the States.</p>
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		<title>By: guern abroad</title>
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		<dc:creator>guern abroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 12:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly this is the States all over, plenty examples of poor maintenance schedules all over the place, sea defences being a prime example. Maybe HSSD are the only area spending what they actually need to. I am sick of vanity projects. Reuse and repair with the recycle element being use local labour should be fore front in any States member (as well as the public).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly this is the States all over, plenty examples of poor maintenance schedules all over the place, sea defences being a prime example. Maybe HSSD are the only area spending what they actually need to. I am sick of vanity projects. Reuse and repair with the recycle element being use local labour should be fore front in any States member (as well as the public).</p>
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		<title>By: Scarlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scarlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 09:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say Yvonne is an expert at everything, Robert. Your tendency to put words in my mouth is an unfortunate one and does nothing to strengthen your argument, so give it up.

I can and do stand by my response to Kev, and notice you carefully missed the bit in Yvonne&#039;s response where she states all the reasons I think she is better qualified to comment than many of us who lack her experience, there being a slight difference between the qualifications and experience required for flying a plane versus driving a bus.

So, to be &#039;clear&#039; (such a subjective word, isn&#039;t it?), you don&#039;t like being taken for a fool by our States,(I agree), but you don&#039;t think a pilot is better placed to comment on airport matters (I don&#039;t agree) and just because someone doesn&#039;t agree a point, doesn&#039;t mean you agree with them as they may wrong too (I agree)...

is that it? Right, well, that&#039;s as clear as day, I think. 

....anyway, back to discussing the actual topic, Shane, are you able to confirm why you think they insisted on making the airport project so much more extensive than we actually required? What are the real reasons? Do you know (does anyone?!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say Yvonne is an expert at everything, Robert. Your tendency to put words in my mouth is an unfortunate one and does nothing to strengthen your argument, so give it up.</p>
<p>I can and do stand by my response to Kev, and notice you carefully missed the bit in Yvonne&#8217;s response where she states all the reasons I think she is better qualified to comment than many of us who lack her experience, there being a slight difference between the qualifications and experience required for flying a plane versus driving a bus.</p>
<p>So, to be &#8216;clear&#8217; (such a subjective word, isn&#8217;t it?), you don&#8217;t like being taken for a fool by our States,(I agree), but you don&#8217;t think a pilot is better placed to comment on airport matters (I don&#8217;t agree) and just because someone doesn&#8217;t agree a point, doesn&#8217;t mean you agree with them as they may wrong too (I agree)&#8230;</p>
<p>is that it? Right, well, that&#8217;s as clear as day, I think. </p>
<p>&#8230;.anyway, back to discussing the actual topic, Shane, are you able to confirm why you think they insisted on making the airport project so much more extensive than we actually required? What are the real reasons? Do you know (does anyone?!)</p>
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