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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 18:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only sorry he got caught...FACT</description>
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		<title>By: Eh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toby you are giving him Fargo much credit!2 further minutes late would not make a difference and why was he late anyway if it was so important!!!!!

I would only do this in a medical emergency. We all have important stuff on but we would not all do this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toby you are giving him Fargo much credit!2 further minutes late would not make a difference and why was he late anyway if it was so important!!!!!</p>
<p>I would only do this in a medical emergency. We all have important stuff on but we would not all do this!</p>
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		<title>By: Spartacus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spartacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toby

Good point, in hindsight he should not have attended the La Mare meeting, which was surely a commitment he made before the emergency HSSD meeting. Instead he should have cancelled La Mare at short notice and walked to his place of work for his urgent and very important meeting. Graham Johns would therefore not be outraged but would have been grateful to him for keeping his disabled space free just in case Graham Johns felt like popping in to HSSD HQ for no reason whatsoever that day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toby</p>
<p>Good point, in hindsight he should not have attended the La Mare meeting, which was surely a commitment he made before the emergency HSSD meeting. Instead he should have cancelled La Mare at short notice and walked to his place of work for his urgent and very important meeting. Graham Johns would therefore not be outraged but would have been grateful to him for keeping his disabled space free just in case Graham Johns felt like popping in to HSSD HQ for no reason whatsoever that day.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 15:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham

Just trying to tempt you to come back on TIG for a third time! but if the sinned against space was not listed within the roads or public parking spaces ordinances the deed was not actually unlawful,although in most people&#039;s eyes it was certainly immoral 

Same thing applies at Waitrose for instance. You would be frowned on for parking in a parent and toddler space ( if you weren&#039;t a parent with a toddler)but they can&#039;t touch you for it

Must sign off now.Time to go out and look for some friends.Better try to make friends with the Irish I suppose since Deputy Roger Domaille has now upset one of them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham</p>
<p>Just trying to tempt you to come back on TIG for a third time! but if the sinned against space was not listed within the roads or public parking spaces ordinances the deed was not actually unlawful,although in most people&#8217;s eyes it was certainly immoral </p>
<p>Same thing applies at Waitrose for instance. You would be frowned on for parking in a parent and toddler space ( if you weren&#8217;t a parent with a toddler)but they can&#8217;t touch you for it</p>
<p>Must sign off now.Time to go out and look for some friends.Better try to make friends with the Irish I suppose since Deputy Roger Domaille has now upset one of them</p>
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		<title>By: Toby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 15:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point everybody is really missing is this ...

What is the huge hidden crisis going on at La Mare that Deputy Inglis felt was more important than attending, on time, a meeting to discuss a £2.5 million overspend, the cancelling of operations, the closure of wards, and a vote of no confidence of a board in charge of over £100 million pounds of taxpayers money every year ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point everybody is really missing is this &#8230;</p>
<p>What is the huge hidden crisis going on at La Mare that Deputy Inglis felt was more important than attending, on time, a meeting to discuss a £2.5 million overspend, the cancelling of operations, the closure of wards, and a vote of no confidence of a board in charge of over £100 million pounds of taxpayers money every year &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 15:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham Johns,
I think you will find if you read all the comments on this forum that the vast majority agree with you.

 The inane comments which turn up on forums like this are from people with little little knowledge of anything and are usually ignored.

It&#039;s no excuse but just for accuracy, i believe deputy Inglis had been attending another states meeting and rushed straight from that one to this one, so his lateness can be explained. As I say , no excuse for deliberatly taking a disabled space for 2.5 hrs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham Johns,<br />
I think you will find if you read all the comments on this forum that the vast majority agree with you.</p>
<p> The inane comments which turn up on forums like this are from people with little little knowledge of anything and are usually ignored.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no excuse but just for accuracy, i believe deputy Inglis had been attending another states meeting and rushed straight from that one to this one, so his lateness can be explained. As I say , no excuse for deliberatly taking a disabled space for 2.5 hrs.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Johns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Johns</dc:creator>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid most of you are completely missing the point. This Deputy is well paid to attend meetings ON TIME. He has not only had the temerity to turn up late, but then parks in the first available spot - a disabled one. These spaces are very few and are there for the minority amongst us who are unable to walk large distances. Doing this could cause pain to such a person and is morally (and lawfully) wrong. This by a Deputy.

Perhaps some of you should go out, find some friends and have proper discussion with those friends, rather than resort to putting inane comments on here in a desperate attempt to communicate with somebody.

My first and last comment on this and only my second ever on any subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid most of you are completely missing the point. This Deputy is well paid to attend meetings ON TIME. He has not only had the temerity to turn up late, but then parks in the first available spot &#8211; a disabled one. These spaces are very few and are there for the minority amongst us who are unable to walk large distances. Doing this could cause pain to such a person and is morally (and lawfully) wrong. This by a Deputy.</p>
<p>Perhaps some of you should go out, find some friends and have proper discussion with those friends, rather than resort to putting inane comments on here in a desperate attempt to communicate with somebody.</p>
<p>My first and last comment on this and only my second ever on any subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In hindsight next time the disgraced David Inglis finds himself in that position he might decide to simply park up behind his Minister and block him in ... whoever that Minister might be</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In hindsight next time the disgraced David Inglis finds himself in that position he might decide to simply park up behind his Minister and block him in &#8230; whoever that Minister might be</p>
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		<title>By: L'eree Lad</title>
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		<dc:creator>L'eree Lad</dc:creator>
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		<description>There may be an element of over-reaction here when you compare the issue with all those other serious problems Guernsey and its elected representatives must tackle.

Nevertheless, we rightly set high standards for those in public office. People like Mr. Inglis have been voted in due to the public&#039;s wish to see change at the top. Instead he makes an error of judgment that makes him look as bad as those he has replaced.

So, not a sacking offence then but let us hope that he has got the message loud and clear - we expect better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There may be an element of over-reaction here when you compare the issue with all those other serious problems Guernsey and its elected representatives must tackle.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, we rightly set high standards for those in public office. People like Mr. Inglis have been voted in due to the public&#8217;s wish to see change at the top. Instead he makes an error of judgment that makes him look as bad as those he has replaced.</p>
<p>So, not a sacking offence then but let us hope that he has got the message loud and clear &#8211; we expect better.</p>
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		<title>By: Spartacus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spartacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil

That&#039;s garbage, I don&#039;t &quot;go against most people just for the sake of it&quot;, I state my opinions irrespective of whether it is a populist viewpoint and have done so from my first post on this forum. You know this due to my very long debates in relation to the education fiasco so don&#039;t imply I have changed. 

You are blunt and people respect that of you if they agree with you, I am equally blunt and people do not respect that if they disagree. The upshot is any fool can make a populist comment and get lots of people to agree but it takes a different kind of character to see a different angle and have the courage to make people think a bit more laterally. 

Your tribunal showed that you have double standards when it comes to public sector workers and the tribunal did not uphold your claim. 

I don&#039;t think I would be brave enough to stop you in the street Neil :-) I think if TIG had a christmas party I would need to come along in full gladiator armour! 

David Ingliss was late for the meeting because his previous meting at LMDC school ran over time. He said in the press that there was nowhere else to park at Duchess of Kent house. 

He might have been able to park elsewhere at the hospital but it might have taken a while to find a space and then more time to walk from there. If no space could be found he would have had to go home and miss the important meeting when there was at least one unused space right there where he needed to be on official government business. 

If Prince Charles was visiting the Duchess of Kent house they would have let his chauffeur park there for the two hours and no one would have said a word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil</p>
<p>That&#8217;s garbage, I don&#8217;t &#8220;go against most people just for the sake of it&#8221;, I state my opinions irrespective of whether it is a populist viewpoint and have done so from my first post on this forum. You know this due to my very long debates in relation to the education fiasco so don&#8217;t imply I have changed. </p>
<p>You are blunt and people respect that of you if they agree with you, I am equally blunt and people do not respect that if they disagree. The upshot is any fool can make a populist comment and get lots of people to agree but it takes a different kind of character to see a different angle and have the courage to make people think a bit more laterally. </p>
<p>Your tribunal showed that you have double standards when it comes to public sector workers and the tribunal did not uphold your claim. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I would be brave enough to stop you in the street Neil :-) I think if TIG had a christmas party I would need to come along in full gladiator armour! </p>
<p>David Ingliss was late for the meeting because his previous meting at LMDC school ran over time. He said in the press that there was nowhere else to park at Duchess of Kent house. </p>
<p>He might have been able to park elsewhere at the hospital but it might have taken a while to find a space and then more time to walk from there. If no space could be found he would have had to go home and miss the important meeting when there was at least one unused space right there where he needed to be on official government business. </p>
<p>If Prince Charles was visiting the Duchess of Kent house they would have let his chauffeur park there for the two hours and no one would have said a word.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Forman</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 23:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spartacus

My &#039; don&#039;t take this the wrong way &#039; post was admittedly a bit tongue in cheek. I feel your posts have taken on a different persona of late. You seem to be going against most people just for the sake of it. This was in no means a low jibe to tarnish your character, I do not work like that. If I have something to say, I will say it. I may be blunt but I will say what I think. Mst people respect that of me.

Maybe there is something wrong with me, I keep biting on your comments;-)) 

I take all things on the chin, you can try to tarnish my character I don&#039;t mind. I am very easy going and will not rise. I post under my name and anybody who disagrees is welcome to stop me in the street for a chat, I will listen to a reasonable argument.

I do not make myself whiter than white, if I make a mistake I will admit it. There was a post a while ago about a young person turning a car over. I recounted one of my experiences when I was younger and admitted that I was driving like an idiot from the outset. Nobody is perfect, I am far from it. I am just posting my opinions.

My tribunal was not an error of judgement and is very different to the Civil Service issue. That is all I can legally say at this point.

I do not agree that being late for a meeting is an acceptable excuse for parking in a disabled spot, I don&#039;t know how many parking places there are at the PEH but I am willing to bet that the amount for the disabled is an insignificant number compared to the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spartacus</p>
<p>My &#8216; don&#8217;t take this the wrong way &#8216; post was admittedly a bit tongue in cheek. I feel your posts have taken on a different persona of late. You seem to be going against most people just for the sake of it. This was in no means a low jibe to tarnish your character, I do not work like that. If I have something to say, I will say it. I may be blunt but I will say what I think. Mst people respect that of me.</p>
<p>Maybe there is something wrong with me, I keep biting on your comments;-)) </p>
<p>I take all things on the chin, you can try to tarnish my character I don&#8217;t mind. I am very easy going and will not rise. I post under my name and anybody who disagrees is welcome to stop me in the street for a chat, I will listen to a reasonable argument.</p>
<p>I do not make myself whiter than white, if I make a mistake I will admit it. There was a post a while ago about a young person turning a car over. I recounted one of my experiences when I was younger and admitted that I was driving like an idiot from the outset. Nobody is perfect, I am far from it. I am just posting my opinions.</p>
<p>My tribunal was not an error of judgement and is very different to the Civil Service issue. That is all I can legally say at this point.</p>
<p>I do not agree that being late for a meeting is an acceptable excuse for parking in a disabled spot, I don&#8217;t know how many parking places there are at the PEH but I am willing to bet that the amount for the disabled is an insignificant number compared to the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Bovvered</title>
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		<description>I feel a little bit sorry for Dave, he just happened to get `caught’ on camera doing something that others do every day!
Deputy or not, its not `right’ but people do it, its annoying but hey so are a lot of other things!
As a full time wheelchair user, unable to walk at al, I often feel aggrieved at able people using disabled person spaces, particularly as I need to get out of the drivers side, remove my wheelchair, and I need enough space to do so.
So, if all disabled spaces are full in town/shops/bridge etc, and there are no `end’ spaces, where someone will not park close to me, I have to go home!
Annoying, yes. But, that’s life!
People will always break the rules and little can be done about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel a little bit sorry for Dave, he just happened to get `caught’ on camera doing something that others do every day!<br />
Deputy or not, its not `right’ but people do it, its annoying but hey so are a lot of other things!<br />
As a full time wheelchair user, unable to walk at al, I often feel aggrieved at able people using disabled person spaces, particularly as I need to get out of the drivers side, remove my wheelchair, and I need enough space to do so.<br />
So, if all disabled spaces are full in town/shops/bridge etc, and there are no `end’ spaces, where someone will not park close to me, I have to go home!<br />
Annoying, yes. But, that’s life!<br />
People will always break the rules and little can be done about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Spartacus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spartacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 11:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scarlett

Are you referring to Neil&#039;s comments where he said &quot;don&#039;t take this the wrong way but I&#039;m genuinely concerned about you&quot;?

Coming from typically &quot;misguided&quot; Neil the way I took it was as the joke it was intended to be. I would not expect him to deliberately make a low jibe to try to tarnish my character or you would have pulled HIM up on that surely?

He makes out he has never made a mistake and is whiter than white and because he did not understand my questions and debate in this matter he is suggesting to the public that there must be something wrong with me! Well there might well be something wrong with me but who would he be to judge or question it in such a condescending manner? Maybe there is something wrong with him eh? 

My reference to his tribunal is just a reminder that we all make errors of judgement, faux pas and have disagreements as its part of life&#039;s rich pattern, not a reflection of character. It is useful information because of his vilification of the civil service generally whom he seems to forget are just people with employee rights just like the rest of us. 

I acknowledge there seems to be something in my comments which has caused you and others to get up on your high horses. So maybe it is worth just clarifying that I have NOT said anything detrimental towards disabled people and their right to inclusion and equality. Maybe something has been read between the lines which is not there? Or is it just me? 

I&#039;m sure Deputy Inglis is not the villain he is painted in these comments. I have taken a guess that if he had decided not to park in the disabled space that day he would have been even later to the meeting, missing important government business requiring his contribution, and instead he would have been driving round in circles for a very long time like most of us do in Guernsey regularly adding CO2 to the atmosphere. 

My other guess is that not one disabled person turned up at HSSD HQ while David Inglis&#039; car occupied that special spot and if they had done there would have been a second special spot (there always is) which would have been kept vacant for their convenience.

I could well be wrong about this and would stand corrected if I am. After all that was all I was asking in my initial post which seems to have been misinterpreted and caused so much fuss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scarlett</p>
<p>Are you referring to Neil&#8217;s comments where he said &#8220;don&#8217;t take this the wrong way but I&#8217;m genuinely concerned about you&#8221;?</p>
<p>Coming from typically &#8220;misguided&#8221; Neil the way I took it was as the joke it was intended to be. I would not expect him to deliberately make a low jibe to try to tarnish my character or you would have pulled HIM up on that surely?</p>
<p>He makes out he has never made a mistake and is whiter than white and because he did not understand my questions and debate in this matter he is suggesting to the public that there must be something wrong with me! Well there might well be something wrong with me but who would he be to judge or question it in such a condescending manner? Maybe there is something wrong with him eh? </p>
<p>My reference to his tribunal is just a reminder that we all make errors of judgement, faux pas and have disagreements as its part of life&#8217;s rich pattern, not a reflection of character. It is useful information because of his vilification of the civil service generally whom he seems to forget are just people with employee rights just like the rest of us. </p>
<p>I acknowledge there seems to be something in my comments which has caused you and others to get up on your high horses. So maybe it is worth just clarifying that I have NOT said anything detrimental towards disabled people and their right to inclusion and equality. Maybe something has been read between the lines which is not there? Or is it just me? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Deputy Inglis is not the villain he is painted in these comments. I have taken a guess that if he had decided not to park in the disabled space that day he would have been even later to the meeting, missing important government business requiring his contribution, and instead he would have been driving round in circles for a very long time like most of us do in Guernsey regularly adding CO2 to the atmosphere. </p>
<p>My other guess is that not one disabled person turned up at HSSD HQ while David Inglis&#8217; car occupied that special spot and if they had done there would have been a second special spot (there always is) which would have been kept vacant for their convenience.</p>
<p>I could well be wrong about this and would stand corrected if I am. After all that was all I was asking in my initial post which seems to have been misinterpreted and caused so much fuss.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Scarlett</dc:creator>
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		<description>Sparty, now trying to deflect Neil&#039;s comments with references to his tribunal?

Seriously grasping at straws here, still, better than admitting you&#039;re wrong, like you could ever be.

Hoping beyond hope you don&#039;t discover I wore the same pair of socks two days in a row once, or that will undoubtedly be dragged out to somehow tarnish my character and thus my comments.

ps. you&#039;re still wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sparty, now trying to deflect Neil&#8217;s comments with references to his tribunal?</p>
<p>Seriously grasping at straws here, still, better than admitting you&#8217;re wrong, like you could ever be.</p>
<p>Hoping beyond hope you don&#8217;t discover I wore the same pair of socks two days in a row once, or that will undoubtedly be dragged out to somehow tarnish my character and thus my comments.</p>
<p>ps. you&#8217;re still wrong.</p>
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