Comments on: Deputy is outraged Planning ‘powerless’ to stop fly-tipping

By: Ed

Ed — Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:26:22 +0000

Ian has evidently overlooked my spiel- something that substantiates my belief that it is otiose trying to transform the worldview of certain individuals because they have engulfed themselves with their narrow-mindedness and shortsightedness.

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By: CSR

CSR — Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:54:12 +0000

A.J. Surely its better not to have stuff dumped in the first place rather than trying to find someone who will clear it up? However you look at it, its going to cost someone ie the taxpayer, to sort out the problem when flytipping takes place.

Its not about who can take action, the laws are already in place, its about preventing this despicable practice in the first place. However, since these idiots generally operate under the cover of darkness or choose remote locations, the chances of catching them is slim. Even if they leave an ‘incriminating’ item behind, it still has to be proven that they have in fact flytipped… not easy.

Extremely frustarting for the authorities, those who are tasked with clearing up and most of all… we the responsible members of Guernsey society who can see how antisocial and unnecessary these actions are.

As you can probably guess, flytippers are not my favourite of people (if you can call them that).

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By: A.J.

A.J. — Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:19:31 +0000

What a shame that the few powers available to the Constables of each parish have been removed over the years. Perhaps we could encourage the return of the ‘Cobo Boys’. After all, didn’t they sort out the problem lumps of granite and derelect cars which had been ‘fly tipped’ at the Cobo car park?
A.J. Not to be confused with ( AJ )

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By: CSR

CSR — Thu, 27 Dec 2012 13:24:14 +0000

Ian, are you a mate of A Voter? Do you honestly not understand that fly tipping costs the island (and as a consequence every taxpayer)many thousands a year just to clear up a mess deliberately left by an imbecile who doesn’t wish to dispose of their rubbish in an appropriate manner.

If someone.. maybe you, wished to dump something outside the Bailiff’s house,of course it would be cleared, its what a responsible society does; however it would not be because of the Bailiff’s intervention, it would be because everyone else except you, A Voter and the other numpties who fly tip seem to think it is a perfectly acceptable practice and that ‘the States’ should clear up after them.

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By: Rachel

Rachel — Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:56:06 +0000

Perhaps Barry didn’t really investigate fully- he did say that he spoke to “planners” at environment who told him no action could be taken under “planning laws” which seems reasonable. There’s plenty of other laws in Guernsey. Perhaps there is one about the intentional impeding of access to a property? I’m no lawyer but perhaps he should speak to someone who knows more laws than just those that fall under “planning”?

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By: Rachel

Rachel — Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:43:15 +0000

It’s not laziness as these people have made a well concerted effort to take these items, load them and dump them. The only difference b/w flytippers and persons who dispose responsibly is certainly a blatant lack of responsibility and assumably also the cost involved.

At a minimum the police could ask around, surely a neighbour/someone would have seen something.

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By: Ed

Ed — Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:34:40 +0000

Bry

I am actually an ex-St Sampsonite who is currently attending the Sixth Form.

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By: Bry

Bry — Thu, 27 Dec 2012 02:14:01 +0000

Ed 16
That letter was brilliant1 You must be an ex college boy. I never understood a word!

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By: Ian

Ian — Wed, 26 Dec 2012 17:59:48 +0000

Here’s a suggestion: try fly-tipping a few old mattresses outside the Bailiff’s house. I bet the appropriate department would suddenly find a magical ability to deal with the problem.

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By: Ed

Ed — Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:06:46 +0000

A voter
(In response to post 8)
I abhor this concept of yours. If this idea is a representative sample of your worldview then thank the universe that not every human being is as injudicious as you. Humankind, fortunately, has advanced since the Stone Age, yet the thoughts and actions of certain individuals are characteristic of those possessed by their primitive forebears. Unless I am very much mistaken, you are the ‘A voter’ who summed up your poor world outlook by refusing to engage in activities that would serve to mitigate climate change and remarking that a mega-disaster such as a super-volcanic eruption would act as a ‘natural check’.
Before you or anybody else dismisses me as an ‘Internet rabble rouser’ and that my sentiments are irrational and verging on insanity, remember that what serves as an annoyance to a particular individual (perhaps this critical outburst of mine) is an integral part of another person’s moral, ideological or environmental crusade.

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By: Ed

Ed — Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:34:30 +0000

What kind of justice this ? The Environment agency- the organisation of which the feelings of appal generated from irresponsible waste disposal are most acutely felt- lacks the ability to exert authority over these ignoramuses ? I consider this to be an absolutely diabolical state of affairs ! The political system demands serious, thorough revision so that such appalling scenarios can be averted …

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By: Ed

Ed — Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:14 +0000

The sole way to ensure that true satisfaction has been created is to locate the perpetrators, fine them heavily, force them to collect their refuse and then discard it at landfill. An even better idea would be to recycle the waste- the culprits must feel debased. Indeed, a major prerequisite for these ignoramuses is education on environmental and ecological matters. Then again, the obstinate nature of certain individuals makes it impossible for the educator to transform the learner’s worldview so that it is conducive to the future well being of humankind.

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By: Bry

Bry — Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:30:54 +0000

Sadly, there has always been fly tippers, even when there was no charge for tipping at the dumps. Nowadays these kind of Guernsey low life’s feel they have more of an excuse for their disgusting polluting behaviour. Really it is all to do with upbringing and discipline in their learning years. I live in a place now where similar scum dump their rubbish in the road outside the gates of the local tip – sometimes even when the tip is open!
What you need in Guernsey is a judge of similar mettle to old Casey – no slaps on the wrist with a feather from him!

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By: Nothing is free.....

Nothing is free..... — Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:57:38 +0000

I live in the UK and my council provides a very good ‘free’ refuse facility….. But my council tax is £2400 per year. Methinks I would rather pay your rates and just pay £30 periodically when I want to dump something.

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By: Nige

Nige — Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:20:20 +0000

The problem is, when people want to get rid of stuff, they want it out of the way NOW !!
Waiting three weeks for the states bulk refuse to turn up is an inconvieneance that many won’t want, free or not.

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