Comments on: Jet service to Gatwick returns, but flight time stays the same

Comments on: Jet service to Gatwick returns, but flight time stays the same http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/05/jet-service-to-gatwick-returns-but-flight-time-stays-the-same/ Guernsey News, Sport, Community & Lifestyle Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:10:09 +0100 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Ectopudding http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/05/jet-service-to-gatwick-returns-but-flight-time-stays-the-same/#comment-236372 Ectopudding Sat, 09 Feb 2013 01:16:55 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=173625#comment-236372 I thought Flybe's old jets had the same journey times as the props. I don't see how you can shorten the time as most of the flight to Gatwick is taken up by circling the airport repeatedly and most of the time spent coming back is taken up by an excruciatingly long wait on the taxiway in the takeoff queue. I thought Flybe’s old jets had the same journey times as the props. I don’t see how you can shorten the time as most of the flight to Gatwick is taken up by circling the airport repeatedly and most of the time spent coming back is taken up by an excruciatingly long wait on the taxiway in the takeoff queue.

]]> By: slinky http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/05/jet-service-to-gatwick-returns-but-flight-time-stays-the-same/#comment-236192 slinky Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:13:58 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=173625#comment-236192 They are not bringing them in to take over local jobs.. They are not local jobs in the first place, and secondly a UK based pilot makes far more sense as they are available to fly far more routes, makes total sense. They are not bringing them in to take over local jobs.. They are not local jobs in the first place, and secondly a UK based pilot makes far more sense as they are available to fly far more routes, makes total sense.

]]> By: GCI27 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/05/jet-service-to-gatwick-returns-but-flight-time-stays-the-same/#comment-235942 GCI27 Thu, 07 Feb 2013 16:03:28 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=173625#comment-235942 I'm just going to point out that the timetable they currently run for the dash is pretty much identical to what the 146 timetable was. I’m just going to point out that the timetable they currently run for the dash is pretty much identical to what the 146 timetable was.

]]> By: Ed http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/05/jet-service-to-gatwick-returns-but-flight-time-stays-the-same/#comment-235895 Ed Thu, 07 Feb 2013 14:22:28 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=173625#comment-235895 I always try to fly with the airline which has historically shown more commitment to the Bailiwick. Flybe might have been here since 1979, but their treatment of Guernsey in the last 10 years has been nothing short of shoddy on occasion. Take the GCI-MAN route, where they attempted to cherrypick and (if it hadn't have been for the States licensing board) would have shut off Guernsey's links to the north of England in winter. That's why I fly Aurigny - because I can trust them. I always try to fly with the airline which has historically shown more commitment to the Bailiwick.

Flybe might have been here since 1979, but their treatment of Guernsey in the last 10 years has been nothing short of shoddy on occasion. Take the GCI-MAN route, where they attempted to cherrypick and (if it hadn’t have been for the States licensing board) would have shut off Guernsey’s links to the north of England in winter.

That’s why I fly Aurigny – because I can trust them.

]]> By: Ed http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/05/jet-service-to-gatwick-returns-but-flight-time-stays-the-same/#comment-235894 Ed Thu, 07 Feb 2013 14:19:46 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=173625#comment-235894 Professionalism often involves having a sense of humour. I have never been able to fault Aurigny's cabin crew on so many flights in and out of Guernsey and Alderney. If you're talking about the recent spate of tech problems, the leased aircraft have come from Flybe to replace G-VZON and G-COBO! Professionalism often involves having a sense of humour. I have never been able to fault Aurigny’s cabin crew on so many flights in and out of Guernsey and Alderney.

If you’re talking about the recent spate of tech problems, the leased aircraft have come from Flybe to replace G-VZON and G-COBO!

]]> By: robert http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/05/jet-service-to-gatwick-returns-but-flight-time-stays-the-same/#comment-235803 robert Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:47:22 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=173625#comment-235803 Yes, but HSBC didn't bring in english staff to take over the local jobs. Flybe are bringing in english staff to fly the same route and dodging housing licence issues by putting them in hotels. Think of all the tax and social insurance that these local pilots will stop paying and thus revenue lost to Guernsey as they are all having to relocate to the UK or further afield. The UK pilots being brought in will not be paying guernsey tax and insurance but remain paying UK tax. Guernsey, you are being made fools of. Yes, but HSBC didn’t bring in english staff to take over the local jobs. Flybe are bringing in english staff to fly the same route and dodging housing licence issues by putting them in hotels. Think of all the tax and social insurance that these local pilots will stop paying and thus revenue lost to Guernsey as they are all having to relocate to the UK or further afield. The UK pilots being brought in will not be paying guernsey tax and insurance but remain paying UK tax. Guernsey, you are being made fools of.

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]]> By: slinky http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/05/jet-service-to-gatwick-returns-but-flight-time-stays-the-same/#comment-235795 slinky Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:27:14 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=173625#comment-235795 Reliability was always Aurignys strong point but that hasn't been great lately either. Out of preference I would choose a modern Jet over a turbo prop any day. Would I pay a premium? Choice would be driven by costs and flight times. If they were both equal then I would choose on the type of plane. Reliability was always Aurignys strong point but that hasn’t been great lately either.

Out of preference I would choose a modern Jet over a turbo prop any day. Would I pay a premium?

Choice would be driven by costs and flight times. If they were both equal then I would choose on the type of plane.

]]> By: kevin http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/05/jet-service-to-gatwick-returns-but-flight-time-stays-the-same/#comment-235659 kevin Wed, 06 Feb 2013 22:16:55 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=173625#comment-235659 Taxpayer, It is poor that Flybe are looking to oust local pilots but what on earth can the States do about it? No different to HSBC doing away with 40 staff - there is nothing the States can do about that either! Non Guernsey companies in particular will always look for cost savings. Taxpayer,

It is poor that Flybe are looking to oust local pilots but what on earth can the States do about it?

No different to HSBC doing away with 40 staff – there is nothing the States can do about that either!

Non Guernsey companies in particular will always look for cost savings.

]]> By: DA http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/05/jet-service-to-gatwick-returns-but-flight-time-stays-the-same/#comment-235551 DA Wed, 06 Feb 2013 17:19:21 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=173625#comment-235551 10 more seats eh..sounds like a way to cut down on the number of flights per day to Guernsey and utilise the aircraft to fly some other route in-between hops to Guernsey. Or are Flybe confident they can sell the extra 10 seats for every flight..maybe they'll be 1st class..! 10 more seats eh..sounds like a way to cut down on the number of flights per day to Guernsey and utilise the aircraft to fly some other route in-between hops to Guernsey.
Or are Flybe confident they can sell the extra 10 seats for every flight..maybe they’ll be 1st class..!

]]> By: Taxpayer http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/05/jet-service-to-gatwick-returns-but-flight-time-stays-the-same/#comment-235490 Taxpayer Wed, 06 Feb 2013 14:10:13 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=173625#comment-235490 Flybe are proposing to bring their jet in on the 31st of march and to do so they are going to make approximately 10 guernsey based locally qualified pilots redundant and effectively outsource their pilots to the Southampton base. They are going to pay more in redundancy costs to those pilots than it would cost to re-train them to fly the jet..( approximately 3 months pilots salary) THE STATES MUST NOT ALLOW THE BLATANT DISREGARD THAT FLYBE ARE SHOWING IN THEIR PLAN TO OUST LOCAL PILOTS.... Flybe are proposing to bring their jet in on the 31st of march and to do so they are going to make approximately 10 guernsey based locally qualified pilots redundant and effectively outsource their pilots to the Southampton base.
They are going to pay more in redundancy costs to those pilots than it would cost to re-train them to fly the jet..( approximately 3 months pilots salary)

THE STATES MUST NOT ALLOW THE BLATANT DISREGARD THAT FLYBE ARE SHOWING IN THEIR PLAN TO OUST LOCAL PILOTS….

]]> By: More Local Than You http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/05/jet-service-to-gatwick-returns-but-flight-time-stays-the-same/#comment-235476 More Local Than You Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:35:37 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=173625#comment-235476 I agree. I also very much dislike the ATR aircraft, particularly those dodgy old bangers that have been brought back into service since G-COBO and G-VZON have had problems. The air hostesses on Aurigny are notably less professional that those of Flybe. Last Aurigny flight I few the air hostesses were joking about being drunk and taking the mick out of the pilot to passengers calling him ginger and a bad pilot etc Not the type of behaviour I'd expect from people who state they are "primarily there for my safety". I agree. I also very much dislike the ATR aircraft, particularly those dodgy old bangers that have been brought back into service since G-COBO and G-VZON have had problems.

The air hostesses on Aurigny are notably less professional that those of Flybe. Last Aurigny flight I few the air hostesses were joking about being drunk and taking the mick out of the pilot to passengers calling him ginger and a bad pilot etc

Not the type of behaviour I’d expect from people who state they are “primarily there for my safety”.

]]> By: Ted http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/05/jet-service-to-gatwick-returns-but-flight-time-stays-the-same/#comment-235470 Ted Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:22:24 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=173625#comment-235470 Agree barry Agree barry

]]> By: Charlie G http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/05/jet-service-to-gatwick-returns-but-flight-time-stays-the-same/#comment-235464 Charlie G Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:10:15 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=173625#comment-235464 Mmmm ,interesting reading the latest plans regarding the start up of a jet service in and out of Guernsey.All i can say is whatever your Choice,whether it be the long Standing services of Aurigny ,or the services of FlyBe,whether props or jets,lets hope and pray that the Farce of the AirPort perimiter gate Being left open never rears it's head again,as Jets and props will both be stuck fast and delayed ,and we will be reading all about it for days and days,good luck FlyBe. Mmmm ,interesting reading the latest plans regarding the start up of a jet service in and out of Guernsey.All i can say is whatever your Choice,whether it be the long Standing services of Aurigny ,or the services of FlyBe,whether props or jets,lets hope and pray that the Farce of the AirPort perimiter gate Being left open never rears it’s head again,as Jets and props will both be stuck fast and delayed ,and we will be reading all about it for days and days,good luck FlyBe.

]]> By: Peter http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/05/jet-service-to-gatwick-returns-but-flight-time-stays-the-same/#comment-235432 Peter Wed, 06 Feb 2013 11:51:55 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=173625#comment-235432 Some believe a jet service is more modern,popular and prestigious especially for an International Finance Centre like Guernsey, Others would say that the new generation of turbo props are quiet,efficient and comfortable and there is little difference in service. Everybody will make their choices according to their own perceptions. Regardless of all this, it is a fact that the turbo prop is far more fuel efficient than a jet, particularly on shorter journeys. A fuel consumption of half that of a jet on a typical 300 mile route cannot be ignored by any operator. For example, I read in Airinsight that Virgin Australia is trading out relatively new regional jets on shorter routes in favour of turbo props for this very reason. With the high price of oil and the poor economic climate,Turbo Props have to be taken seriously now. It remains to be seen whether or not jet services on short routes to Guernsey are sustainable. Only time will tell. Some believe a jet service is more modern,popular and prestigious especially for an International Finance Centre like Guernsey, Others would say that the new generation of turbo props are quiet,efficient and comfortable and there is little difference in service. Everybody will make their choices according to their own perceptions.

Regardless of all this, it is a fact that the turbo prop is far more fuel efficient than a jet, particularly on shorter journeys. A fuel consumption of half that of a jet on a typical 300 mile route cannot be ignored by any operator. For example, I read in Airinsight that Virgin Australia is trading out relatively new regional jets on shorter routes in favour of turbo props for this very reason. With the high price of oil and the poor economic climate,Turbo Props have to be taken seriously now.
It remains to be seen whether or not jet services on short routes to Guernsey are sustainable. Only time will tell.

]]> By: Ross http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/05/jet-service-to-gatwick-returns-but-flight-time-stays-the-same/#comment-235417 Ross Wed, 06 Feb 2013 10:56:53 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=173625#comment-235417 You have to remember that the 55 minutes is a time slot and NOT the time the plane will be airborne. In reality the props take circa 40/45 mins. The 146 had a record of 32 minutes I believe, and on a good day I would expect the Embraer to do the same. Unfortunately, it is yet again the Press which is causing the controversy. Effectively, FlyBe are upgrading their plane on this service. What is the harm in that?? I personally have nothing against Aurigny. They have always served me well and I have always chosen them over FlyBe. I do not think FlyBe are doing it for any reason other than an upgrade. You have to remember that the 55 minutes is a time slot and NOT the time the plane will be airborne. In reality the props take circa 40/45 mins. The 146 had a record of 32 minutes I believe, and on a good day I would expect the Embraer to do the same. Unfortunately, it is yet again the Press which is causing the controversy. Effectively, FlyBe are upgrading their plane on this service. What is the harm in that?? I personally have nothing against Aurigny. They have always served me well and I have always chosen them over FlyBe. I do not think FlyBe are doing it for any reason other than an upgrade.

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