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		<title>By: Island Wide Voting</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/07/deep-water-fuel-berth-is-needed-by-2020/#comment-236991</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CameraShy

Read this and weep


http://www.journalism.co.uk/news/is-newspaper-of-the-year-at-the-press-awards/s2/a548461/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276720/Daily-Mail-nominated-19-Oscars-Press-Awards.html?ITO=1490&amp;ns_mchannel=rss&amp;ns_campaign=1490#axzz2KWlF633K</description>
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<p>Read this and weep</p>
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		<title>By: Island Wide voting</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 14:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CameraShy

So says a Sun reader ?

You must really miss the Dandy now that it has folded</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CameraShy</p>
<p>So says a Sun reader ?</p>
<p>You must really miss the Dandy now that it has folded</p>
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		<title>By: rosie</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IWV.  It&#039;s a bitch- I agree.  But sadly an inevitable consequence of our consumer and over-convenienced lifestyles.

The best method of collection which I have written about several times on here, is if the collection team sort the recyclables into the different types at the road side as they collect.  This would mean that householders would only need to separate into 1. Dry recyclable (paper, cardboard)  2. wet recyclables(tins, bottles, plastics)  3.compostables  4. Waste.   

The advantage in this type of collection is that contamination is avoided and the quality of the recycling is the best and therefore a good price guaranteed at the market place.  The downside is that compared to other collection systems its expensive because you need 5 or 6 people on the team and also collecting might cause traffic congestion.  Price wise tho&#039;, the cost is apparently clawed back by the fact that you get no rejections of the materials in the market place so in the long run, it actually works out as the cheapest method.  (Sadly, Guernsey is not very good at looking long term so I doubt that they will do this. Also the mere suggestion that something might hold up the traffic.....well, can you imagine! )

Hope you appreciate my liberal use of paragraphs for the ease and pleasure of your reading experience!! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IWV.  It&#8217;s a bitch- I agree.  But sadly an inevitable consequence of our consumer and over-convenienced lifestyles.</p>
<p>The best method of collection which I have written about several times on here, is if the collection team sort the recyclables into the different types at the road side as they collect.  This would mean that householders would only need to separate into 1. Dry recyclable (paper, cardboard)  2. wet recyclables(tins, bottles, plastics)  3.compostables  4. Waste.   </p>
<p>The advantage in this type of collection is that contamination is avoided and the quality of the recycling is the best and therefore a good price guaranteed at the market place.  The downside is that compared to other collection systems its expensive because you need 5 or 6 people on the team and also collecting might cause traffic congestion.  Price wise tho&#8217;, the cost is apparently clawed back by the fact that you get no rejections of the materials in the market place so in the long run, it actually works out as the cheapest method.  (Sadly, Guernsey is not very good at looking long term so I doubt that they will do this. Also the mere suggestion that something might hold up the traffic&#8230;..well, can you imagine! )</p>
<p>Hope you appreciate my liberal use of paragraphs for the ease and pleasure of your reading experience!! ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: CameraShy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you read the Daily Mail, I doubt there&#039;s much you&#039;re looking forward to...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read the Daily Mail, I doubt there&#8217;s much you&#8217;re looking forward to&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Island Wide Voting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Island Wide Voting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rosie

I&#039;m really not looking forward to having ten different bins in order to sort out my weekly half bag of rubbish

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2275963/Recycling-Millions-tons-end-landfill-officials-admit-success-exaggerated.html#axzz2KWlF633K</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosie</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really not looking forward to having ten different bins in order to sort out my weekly half bag of rubbish</p>
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		<title>By: rosie</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 12:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torteval voice of Reason.  I enjoyed and agreed with most of your post but have to disagree with your suggestion that a &#039;recycling initiative co ordinator&#039; is unnecessary, although for my money, the title &#039;recycling officer&#039; would do just fine!  

Recycling is going to a major part of our waste strategy and sadly, owing to the fact that there is a considerable percentage of our population either not recycling at all, or only recycling a fraction of what can be recycled, we are going to need several &#039;recycling officers&#039; ensuring that the whole population engage with the strategy as intended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torteval voice of Reason.  I enjoyed and agreed with most of your post but have to disagree with your suggestion that a &#8216;recycling initiative co ordinator&#8217; is unnecessary, although for my money, the title &#8216;recycling officer&#8217; would do just fine!  </p>
<p>Recycling is going to a major part of our waste strategy and sadly, owing to the fact that there is a considerable percentage of our population either not recycling at all, or only recycling a fraction of what can be recycled, we are going to need several &#8216;recycling officers&#8217; ensuring that the whole population engage with the strategy as intended.</p>
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		<title>By: A.J.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 11:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally don&#039;t think he did such a bad job. At least he wouldn&#039;t have allowed Greenhouses to be built disguised as houses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally don&#8217;t think he did such a bad job. At least he wouldn&#8217;t have allowed Greenhouses to be built disguised as houses.</p>
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		<title>By: Hbc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hbc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 08:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I&#039;m sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I&#8217;m sure.</p>
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		<title>By: valeite</title>
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		<dc:creator>valeite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 08:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An answer to Rosies question in an earlier post, &quot;who questioned the deputies back along&quot; no one, would you have questioned the late great Tom Ogier because I certainly would not have, they were the untouchables and were not readily available like they are now on the end of the phone to hear our rants.No radio to hear their interviews, we just let them get along with things, the public did not have an opinion, or if they did they certainly did not air it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An answer to Rosies question in an earlier post, &#8220;who questioned the deputies back along&#8221; no one, would you have questioned the late great Tom Ogier because I certainly would not have, they were the untouchables and were not readily available like they are now on the end of the phone to hear our rants.No radio to hear their interviews, we just let them get along with things, the public did not have an opinion, or if they did they certainly did not air it.</p>
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		<title>By: Island Wide Voting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Island Wide Voting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2013 23:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hbc

Are you sure that Marine &amp; General didn&#039;t fund that reclamation themselves ?

Agreed that It certainly doesn&#039;t seem to have been put to any good use</description>
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<p>Are you sure that Marine &amp; General didn&#8217;t fund that reclamation themselves ?</p>
<p>Agreed that It certainly doesn&#8217;t seem to have been put to any good use</p>
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		<title>By: torteval voice of reason</title>
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		<dc:creator>torteval voice of reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2013 22:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah,  but we haven&#039;t got on to paragraphs yet at Torteval, eh ? - we don&#039;t like any of those new fangled things out West- but in fairness our parish school closed probably 40 years ago as a cost cutting measure so we are only just now getting the hang of inverted commas and those fancy book learning phrases that those Townie Civil Servants use like  &quot;final salary pension&quot; , &quot;tax free lump sum&quot;, &quot;paid for by the taxpayer&quot; and &quot;it would be in breach of my human rights for me to contribute any more to my pension&quot;

Well, time to get on my pushang   to Town and make sure the North Beach car park is still there - opposite the Royal Hotel  if I remember correctly and just up the way from Fruit Export ? 

 Blimey have I gone and used one of them paragraph things without realising it ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah,  but we haven&#8217;t got on to paragraphs yet at Torteval, eh ? &#8211; we don&#8217;t like any of those new fangled things out West- but in fairness our parish school closed probably 40 years ago as a cost cutting measure so we are only just now getting the hang of inverted commas and those fancy book learning phrases that those Townie Civil Servants use like  &#8220;final salary pension&#8221; , &#8220;tax free lump sum&#8221;, &#8220;paid for by the taxpayer&#8221; and &#8220;it would be in breach of my human rights for me to contribute any more to my pension&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, time to get on my pushang   to Town and make sure the North Beach car park is still there &#8211; opposite the Royal Hotel  if I remember correctly and just up the way from Fruit Export ? </p>
<p> Blimey have I gone and used one of them paragraph things without realising it ?</p>
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		<title>By: Hbc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hbc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2013 19:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hard standing at Marine and General cost a cool million to construct.  The revenue generated from this is....  Wait for it....    ZERO!  That&#039;s right, the tax payer paid for this so a few speed boat enthusiasts could lay up their weekend racer for free.

Millar and Baired are still owed money for the construction of St Sampsons marina.

We now owe a FORTUNE with the new airport runway - what year will this be paid off by I wonder by the time interest is paid?

GREAT IDEA!  LETS BUILD A NEW BERTH THAT THE PUBLIC CAN ILL AFORD TO PAY FOR SO WE CAN SAFELY PUMP FUEL INTO FUEL TANKS LOCATED ON SHORE WHICH WOULD POSE A BIGGER THREAT TO THE PUBLIC IF IT ALL WENT UP IN SMOKE!

Sorry people of guernsey, but the people in charge here are the most useless, incompetant, unacountable bunch of subjects that Carlo M. Cipolla studied!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hard standing at Marine and General cost a cool million to construct.  The revenue generated from this is&#8230;.  Wait for it&#8230;.    ZERO!  That&#8217;s right, the tax payer paid for this so a few speed boat enthusiasts could lay up their weekend racer for free.</p>
<p>Millar and Baired are still owed money for the construction of St Sampsons marina.</p>
<p>We now owe a FORTUNE with the new airport runway &#8211; what year will this be paid off by I wonder by the time interest is paid?</p>
<p>GREAT IDEA!  LETS BUILD A NEW BERTH THAT THE PUBLIC CAN ILL AFORD TO PAY FOR SO WE CAN SAFELY PUMP FUEL INTO FUEL TANKS LOCATED ON SHORE WHICH WOULD POSE A BIGGER THREAT TO THE PUBLIC IF IT ALL WENT UP IN SMOKE!</p>
<p>Sorry people of guernsey, but the people in charge here are the most useless, incompetant, unacountable bunch of subjects that Carlo M. Cipolla studied!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: islander</title>
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		<dc:creator>islander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2013 11:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torteval voice of reason.

Why don`t we send them dreaming senior civil servants down to Portlet harbour seeing you have more water to accommodate cruise liners.

You have the bunkers up there for our armed forces to spy on pirates coming ashore.

We will need Portlet harbour for our recycled rubbish to depart for Jersey and import the ash from Jersey to spread on your beautiful upper parish landscape.

ok i am dreaming but they say dreams come true.I think these present senior civil servants are just pie in the sky who cannot read what they write</description>
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<p>Why don`t we send them dreaming senior civil servants down to Portlet harbour seeing you have more water to accommodate cruise liners.</p>
<p>You have the bunkers up there for our armed forces to spy on pirates coming ashore.</p>
<p>We will need Portlet harbour for our recycled rubbish to depart for Jersey and import the ash from Jersey to spread on your beautiful upper parish landscape.</p>
<p>ok i am dreaming but they say dreams come true.I think these present senior civil servants are just pie in the sky who cannot read what they write</p>
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		<title>By: Island Wide voting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Island Wide voting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As soon as Torteval introduces the concept of paragraphs I will insert Torteval voice of reason into my top three list of candidates for CM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As soon as Torteval introduces the concept of paragraphs I will insert Torteval voice of reason into my top three list of candidates for CM</p>
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		<title>By: rosie</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 18:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MarkB.  And what I was getting at in my original post is that there is no point having a go at the current deputies for all the capital projects that now need to be addressed when so often they are a result of poor planning years ago.  And in several cases the public could have been more pro-active in making sure sensible decisions were being made.  SPP harbour is our busiest and most important port so it stands to reason that it will need occasional hefty investments to keep it current and fit for 21stC usage.

Kerbside recycling might not have been commonplace 30 years ago, but recycling certainly was.  Every adult in the island could have worked out that on an island of finite size, you can&#039;t expect to go on increasing waste generation ad infinitum without eventually hitting a brick wall.  And yet most people seemed quite happy to increase the amount of waste they put out year on year without giving it any thought.  When I returned to Guernsey in the early noughties  I was amazed that there were no attempts to ask me to minimise the amount of waste I created.  No attempts to make the retailers responsible or even aware of the waste they imported into the island.  Everyone I asked or questioned about it made it clear that it wasn&#039;t something that they had even thought about. Obviously with that attitude you are storing up costs for later.

And transport is the same.  Everyone &#039;wants&#039; to drive everywhere but precious few are willing to consider the eventual costs and problems that that will result in.  Which ever group of Deputies that will have to sort out that hornets nest will be accused of being &#039;the worst states ever&#039; when in reality we are all guilty of creating a problem through lack of long-term thinking.

I do agree tho&#039; that it is an obvious assumption that both harbour and airports should be receiving adequate maintenance.  Not however the fault of the current deputies that it was not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MarkB.  And what I was getting at in my original post is that there is no point having a go at the current deputies for all the capital projects that now need to be addressed when so often they are a result of poor planning years ago.  And in several cases the public could have been more pro-active in making sure sensible decisions were being made.  SPP harbour is our busiest and most important port so it stands to reason that it will need occasional hefty investments to keep it current and fit for 21stC usage.</p>
<p>Kerbside recycling might not have been commonplace 30 years ago, but recycling certainly was.  Every adult in the island could have worked out that on an island of finite size, you can&#8217;t expect to go on increasing waste generation ad infinitum without eventually hitting a brick wall.  And yet most people seemed quite happy to increase the amount of waste they put out year on year without giving it any thought.  When I returned to Guernsey in the early noughties  I was amazed that there were no attempts to ask me to minimise the amount of waste I created.  No attempts to make the retailers responsible or even aware of the waste they imported into the island.  Everyone I asked or questioned about it made it clear that it wasn&#8217;t something that they had even thought about. Obviously with that attitude you are storing up costs for later.</p>
<p>And transport is the same.  Everyone &#8216;wants&#8217; to drive everywhere but precious few are willing to consider the eventual costs and problems that that will result in.  Which ever group of Deputies that will have to sort out that hornets nest will be accused of being &#8216;the worst states ever&#8217; when in reality we are all guilty of creating a problem through lack of long-term thinking.</p>
<p>I do agree tho&#8217; that it is an obvious assumption that both harbour and airports should be receiving adequate maintenance.  Not however the fault of the current deputies that it was not.</p>
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