Comments on: We are tackling problem of obesity, says HSSD following news of UK’s ‘fat tax’

Comments on: We are tackling problem of obesity, says HSSD following news of UK’s ‘fat tax’ http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/20/we-are-tackling-problem-of-obesity-says-hssd-following-news-of-uk%e2%80%99s-fat-tax/ Guernsey News, Sport, Community & Lifestyle Wed, 22 May 2013 20:47:49 +0100 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: blogger http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/20/we-are-tackling-problem-of-obesity-says-hssd-following-news-of-uk%e2%80%99s-fat-tax/#comment-241881 blogger Wed, 27 Feb 2013 20:04:00 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=176844#comment-241881 All you food snobs will only be happy when those nasty fizzy drinks and so called unhealthy foods are put in plain packaging and 'displayed' under the counter out of sight along side the cigarettes. Then again you wont be happy at all because you will find something else to moan about. You people need to stop trying to enforce your lifestyle choices on others, the Germans tried this and they ultimately failed. All you food snobs will only be happy when those nasty fizzy drinks and so called unhealthy foods are put in plain packaging and ‘displayed’ under the counter out of sight along side the cigarettes. Then again you wont be happy at all because you will find something else to moan about. You people need to stop trying to enforce your lifestyle choices on others, the Germans tried this and they ultimately failed.

]]> By: rosie http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/20/we-are-tackling-problem-of-obesity-says-hssd-following-news-of-uk%e2%80%99s-fat-tax/#comment-241695 rosie Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:27:43 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=176844#comment-241695 Rachel. Unfortunately, the shops selling and making a lot of money out of these foods and drinks think that they have already got their 'product placement' right. They put them where they can be sure that they will get maximum sales. I agree it would be better if they were out of sight on the bottom shelf or so high up they were out of reach but sadly, I don't see any of those shops volunteering that action. So many kids are being brought up in households where everything they eat comes out of a packet and if as a community we think that these kids (& the community) would be better off understanding the importance of a healthy diet, then it up to us to make sure that they get that education at school. How you give that education while at the same time still selling rubbish food / drink in the schools (& hospitals & Beau Sejour) is beyond me! And exercise initiatives as you suggest are bang on the money. As others have suggested increased provision for PE, dance classes or whatever would be good, but in my opinion a crucial aspect that needs looking at is how we travel around the island. Our journeys frequently offer us opportunities for increasing the amount of exercise we are getting but we need to change the culture that discourages us all from getting on our bikes or even walking to where we are going. Rachel.

Unfortunately, the shops selling and making a lot of money out of these foods and drinks think that they have already got their ‘product placement’ right. They put them where they can be sure that they will get maximum sales. I agree it would be better if they were out of sight on the bottom shelf or so high up they were out of reach but sadly, I don’t see any of those shops volunteering that action.

So many kids are being brought up in households where everything they eat comes out of a packet and if as a community we think that these kids (& the community) would be better off understanding the importance of a healthy diet, then it up to us to make sure that they get that education at school. How you give that education while at the same time still selling rubbish food / drink in the schools (& hospitals & Beau Sejour) is beyond me!

And exercise initiatives as you suggest are bang on the money. As others have suggested increased provision for PE, dance classes or whatever would be good, but in my opinion a crucial aspect that needs looking at is how we travel around the island. Our journeys frequently offer us opportunities for increasing the amount of exercise we are getting but we need to change the culture that discourages us all from getting on our bikes or even walking to where we are going.

]]> By: Oh Dear http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/20/we-are-tackling-problem-of-obesity-says-hssd-following-news-of-uk%e2%80%99s-fat-tax/#comment-241667 Oh Dear Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:59:10 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=176844#comment-241667 hahaha thanks for that Sanguine. I lift a lot of weights. I'm big but not fat. hahaha thanks for that Sanguine.

I lift a lot of weights. I’m big but not fat.

]]> By: Oh Dear http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/20/we-are-tackling-problem-of-obesity-says-hssd-following-news-of-uk%e2%80%99s-fat-tax/#comment-241666 Oh Dear Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:58:26 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=176844#comment-241666 Oh... those seats are fine. I think they should use that as a guidline that people are too fat. If you need an extension on your seat belt you're definitely too fat. Oh… those seats are fine.

I think they should use that as a guidline that people are too fat. If you need an extension on your seat belt you’re definitely too fat.

]]> By: Rachel http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/20/we-are-tackling-problem-of-obesity-says-hssd-following-news-of-uk%e2%80%99s-fat-tax/#comment-241533 Rachel Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:13:23 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=176844#comment-241533 Why discriminate... put the tax on all drinks other than water. Alcohol contains more calories than sugar. Artificial sweeteners have their own risks as well. Tax them all and subsidise healthy fresh foods, put the money into healthy eating and exercise initiatives. Also try preventing people from drinking them in the first place through smarter product placement (suggested by Ed in other thread) and removing them from schools. Why discriminate… put the tax on all drinks other than water. Alcohol contains more calories than sugar. Artificial sweeteners have their own risks as well. Tax them all and subsidise healthy fresh foods, put the money into healthy eating and exercise initiatives.

Also try preventing people from drinking them in the first place through smarter product placement (suggested by Ed in other thread) and removing them from schools.

]]> By: madnursie http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/20/we-are-tackling-problem-of-obesity-says-hssd-following-news-of-uk%e2%80%99s-fat-tax/#comment-241531 madnursie Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:53:26 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=176844#comment-241531 I agree Rosie I agree Rosie

]]> By: madnursie http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/20/we-are-tackling-problem-of-obesity-says-hssd-following-news-of-uk%e2%80%99s-fat-tax/#comment-241529 madnursie Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:49:44 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=176844#comment-241529 There will always be tax spent on health issues - if people live longer then you have to provide healthcare and social care for them. People living longer is also a "burden" who has looked at the comparison in costs of this? There will always be tax spent on health issues – if people live longer then you have to provide healthcare and social care for them. People living longer is also a “burden” who has looked at the comparison in costs of this?

]]> By: A.J. http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/20/we-are-tackling-problem-of-obesity-says-hssd-following-news-of-uk%e2%80%99s-fat-tax/#comment-241498 A.J. Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:21:37 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=176844#comment-241498 (Oh Dear.) I was referring to my seat on a Jumbo Jet! (Oh Dear.) I was referring to my seat on a Jumbo Jet!

]]> By: Sanguine http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/20/we-are-tackling-problem-of-obesity-says-hssd-following-news-of-uk%e2%80%99s-fat-tax/#comment-241494 Sanguine Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:02:18 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=176844#comment-241494 How many of you supported a ban on smoking? Why? It was a negative externality that affected you right, so you decided it was wrong for other people to smoke because of "passive smoking" despite the fact that poor driving and alcohol are responsible for more deaths per annum than passive smoking ever was or ever could be. The real reason was, you didn't like other people do it around you plain and simple - didn't like the smell. Nothing to do with passive smoking, but you hyped it up, told your kids, make smokers feel like "bad people". Now smoking has been defeated (apparently - reality, just forced it into the third world, but who cares right? they are a different colour and have a different god so it doesn't matter) But now people are looking at the fat people in society and seeing another negative externality. But this time it is you who are a user of the very same externality. Its time to pay the piper ladies and gentlemen, especially those who vehemently opposed smoking, you have started something here with an erosion of civil rights. This isn't really about fatty food and the associated weight gain - this is about the god awful sight of fat people, i mean they are just gross to look at right? Real social cost? Having to look at a that fat sweaty man at the bus terminus how is struggling to breathe with his can of Stella - what a sight! What is next, alcohol? Why? Well, no one cares about the deaths really, but they will use it to justify the fact that people don't like to see the yooof having fun on a Friday night, when they are at home in their bitter marriages with their annoying kids. It started with smoking, where will it end? Or more important, as this is Guernsey after wall, who's fault is it?????? How many of you supported a ban on smoking? Why? It was a negative externality that affected you right, so you decided it was wrong for other people to smoke because of “passive smoking” despite the fact that poor driving and alcohol are responsible for more deaths per annum than passive smoking ever was or ever could be. The real reason was, you didn’t like other people do it around you plain and simple – didn’t like the smell. Nothing to do with passive smoking, but you hyped it up, told your kids, make smokers feel like “bad people”.

Now smoking has been defeated (apparently – reality, just forced it into the third world, but who cares right? they are a different colour and have a different god so it doesn’t matter) But now people are looking at the fat people in society and seeing another negative externality. But this time it is you who are a user of the very same externality. Its time to pay the piper ladies and gentlemen, especially those who vehemently opposed smoking, you have started something here with an erosion of civil rights. This isn’t really about fatty food and the associated weight gain – this is about the god awful sight of fat people, i mean they are just gross to look at right? Real social cost? Having to look at a that fat sweaty man at the bus terminus how is struggling to breathe with his can of Stella – what a sight!

What is next, alcohol? Why? Well, no one cares about the deaths really, but they will use it to justify the fact that people don’t like to see the yooof having fun on a Friday night, when they are at home in their bitter marriages with their annoying kids.

It started with smoking, where will it end? Or more important, as this is Guernsey after wall, who’s fault is it??????

]]> By: Sanguine http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/20/we-are-tackling-problem-of-obesity-says-hssd-following-news-of-uk%e2%80%99s-fat-tax/#comment-241493 Sanguine Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:48:13 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=176844#comment-241493 Sounds like a fatty excuse to me! Sounds like a fatty excuse to me!

]]> By: Sanguine http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/20/we-are-tackling-problem-of-obesity-says-hssd-following-news-of-uk%e2%80%99s-fat-tax/#comment-241492 Sanguine Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:46:20 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=176844#comment-241492 The were malnourished you moron! Which led to the government telling people to clear their plate, stock up on fatty food etc to put the weight back on in the post war period. The time the baby boomers were born, the same pioneering generation who are no obese, and bringing up fat children. Rationing following by an ill informed government, coupled with the baby boomers infusing their offspring with the same mis information about clearing your plate, and eating fatty foods and lack of excersise is what has caused this mess. The were malnourished you moron!

Which led to the government telling people to clear their plate, stock up on fatty food etc to put the weight back on in the post war period.

The time the baby boomers were born, the same pioneering generation who are no obese, and bringing up fat children.

Rationing following by an ill informed government, coupled with the baby boomers infusing their offspring with the same mis information about clearing your plate, and eating fatty foods and lack of excersise is what has caused this mess.

]]> By: Oh Dear http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/20/we-are-tackling-problem-of-obesity-says-hssd-following-news-of-uk%e2%80%99s-fat-tax/#comment-241410 Oh Dear Tue, 26 Feb 2013 10:32:54 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=176844#comment-241410 In all fairness A.J., bus seats are very narrow (surprising given the size of buses). I'm not obese but I always find myself rubbing shoulders with my neighbour. In all fairness A.J., bus seats are very narrow (surprising given the size of buses). I’m not obese but I always find myself rubbing shoulders with my neighbour.

]]> By: Oh Dear http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/20/we-are-tackling-problem-of-obesity-says-hssd-following-news-of-uk%e2%80%99s-fat-tax/#comment-241408 Oh Dear Tue, 26 Feb 2013 10:30:14 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=176844#comment-241408 Townie2. I agree with everything you said apart from the "eroding traditional town community/shopping" statement. I think online shopping is a larger cause for this. This is part of the reason why I don't drive and have no intention of even learning. It means that if I want to go somewhere I have to walk (or get the bus). Townie2.

I agree with everything you said apart from the “eroding traditional town community/shopping” statement. I think online shopping is a larger cause for this.

This is part of the reason why I don’t drive and have no intention of even learning. It means that if I want to go somewhere I have to walk (or get the bus).

]]> By: Oh Dear http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/20/we-are-tackling-problem-of-obesity-says-hssd-following-news-of-uk%e2%80%99s-fat-tax/#comment-241406 Oh Dear Tue, 26 Feb 2013 10:27:57 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=176844#comment-241406 Gastric bypass operations are not good. Many people who have them have all sorts of complications that come from this operation. It's an easy way of slimming down for those who can't stick to a diet and exercise. People will almost always stretch their stomach back to almost normal size and put on weight again. They think because they've had this operation they can continue eating as they did before. Many people are uninformed as to the dangers of this operation. I know a couple who have had it that are now on omeprazole for life due to acid reflux. Before the operation they were on no medication whatsoever. This operation should be banned. Guern Abroad, you're spot on! Gastric bypass operations are not good. Many people who have them have all sorts of complications that come from this operation. It’s an easy way of slimming down for those who can’t stick to a diet and exercise.

People will almost always stretch their stomach back to almost normal size and put on weight again. They think because they’ve had this operation they can continue eating as they did before. Many people are uninformed as to the dangers of this operation.

I know a couple who have had it that are now on omeprazole for life due to acid reflux. Before the operation they were on no medication whatsoever.

This operation should be banned.

Guern Abroad, you’re spot on!

]]> By: A.J. http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/02/20/we-are-tackling-problem-of-obesity-says-hssd-following-news-of-uk%e2%80%99s-fat-tax/#comment-240445 A.J. Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:48:40 +0000 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/?p=176844#comment-240445 People must take responsibility for their own lives,but allways be aware that we are not alone on this planet. Everything that we do and say, has an affect on everyone else.We should learn to use the word "NO" more often instead of the words "I WANT". I am not usually bothered by Fat people, unless of course I am forced to sit next to one whilst using Public transport,where they take up half of my seat,(although paying the same price for their ticket). People must take responsibility for their own lives,but allways be aware that we are not alone on this planet. Everything that we do and say, has an affect on everyone else.We should learn to use the word “NO” more often instead of the words “I WANT”.
I am not usually bothered by Fat people, unless of course I am forced to sit next to one whilst using Public transport,where they take up half of my seat,(although paying the same price for their ticket).

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