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kat

It is not the building that were bad that made it like it was, it was SOME of the tenants ..just look how other estates haw become !
People need to take pride in there surroundings .and not expect the states to do everything for them!
I hope when the new ones are build those who will live in them will keep them in good condition and make the best of the beautiful surroundings they have down there .

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Bill

i hope dave is ticketed to drive that machine

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Dave Jones

Bill

I have what are known as grandfather rights and nearly 37 year experience.

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James

Kat – In agreement. It was NOT the houses, but SOME of the tenants (by no means not all). Many of these residents bracketed under “some” are now causing mayhem elsewhere. The 3 story houses were dangerous, admittedly, and deserved to come down. The rest were not a problem, and could have been refurbished. The estate layout too was not a problem.

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Jay C. Bee

Dave admits it! 37 years of destruction.

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JCB

Have you really driven JCBs for 37 years Dave, on a full time basis or just every now and again?

My dear old Gran obtained her driving licence in a similar way to how you obtained your JCB one, she was the worst driver I have ever encountered, the perfect example that experience and competence are most definitely not bedfellows.

Let’s face it, using that skewed logic would mean that a politician is competent simply through being in the job for x number of years, and we all know how laughable that particular claim would be!!!

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pbfalla

Dave Jones

But can you ride a pushbike?

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James Baptiste

“the company I am a director of has NEVER done any work”

Now that line is classic Dave!

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Ray

Paul
I think you may have missed the intended joke

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James

Mark, As far as I am led to believe the three story houses were fire hazards, and were unsuitable in the modern world. I do believe the other houses could have been refurbished. Maybe not pretty, but they were practicle. Paul I’m not sure if you meant me, but I wasn’t suggesting Dave Jones had lied.

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blah

kat, james, not a chav, mr g – you knee jerk bullies are like gulls on a casually abandoned chip bag, grabbing what should be a moment of social progress, and with the typical lazy and profoundly ignorant analysis that is increasing from all quarters on a daily basis, assume that people who fit your personal and deeply flawed definition of the undeserving poor should not be allowed social housing. yet again, yawn … yawn, i have to state that the least financially (and therefore least powerful) part of our island community is being scapegoated by both you and, if we are not careful, a larger mob majority. you are inivited to read owen jones’ chavs: the demonisation of the working class. (i also have to add that dave jones’ silence in the face of these attacks on his social tenants speaks volumes about tacit support for these deeply flawed theories on the deserving and undeserving poor?)

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Phil

Blah

I don’t think most people have any problems with the state helping those in genuine need, it’s the ones that can’t be bothered to work, churn out kid after kid etc that get up people’s noses. There is absolutely no reason for any able bodied person to be unemployed in Guernsey, and that’s a fact.

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Dave Jones

D-T

Fist of all you are assuming that you always had a right to park on States Housing Authority estates, the truth is you did not. In fact the Housing department could have stopped all on street parking at any time, the fact that they chose not to do so was always at the department’s discretion. When you bought your property you would have been aware that you had no dedicated parking and the property would have been priced to reflect that fact, I did the same and I park in the road wherever I can, just like everyone else in my area. As I understand it, the GHA have not ruled out completely any public parking but they are not committing themselves to allocating any until the new housing project is complete and they can see what additional space might be available. I also have to take issue with your comments about previous residents of the estate. The majority of those who lived in the area were decent hardworking people, who worked in jobs that didn’t pay exceptionally well and not everybody resident on that estate was living on benefits. We also know that many of the social problems over the years were caused by people who did not even live on the Bouet estate. I would also take issue with your comment that the ‘worst’ tenants being housed in their street for years and years and years? I was unaware that the private residents in the area owned the street that runs through the Bouet.
Your last paragraph is not even worthy of an answer and it is typical of the sort of stereotyping people like you attach to anyone who lives in social housing, that they are second class islanders and should be treated as such.

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D_T

@ D Jones

Thank you for your response. I am not assuming that ‘I always had a right to park on States Housing Authority Estates’ I am pointing out that as they were public disc parking zones that they were available for EVERYBODY, indiscriminately from states house tenants right up to the Govenor and yes you are quite correct in saying that at any time the states can remove public parking zones, and indeed they have been doing so quite a lot recently (but that is a story for another page!) My comment was simply that removing parking zones that were available to ALL and re-allocating them for the exclusive rights of states house tenants seems unfair and I stand by that. I never suggested that as a resident of the Bouet that I expect to have the right to park on the street, not at all in fact as a low income family with the petrol and insurance rates so high at the moment we cannot actually afford to run a vehicle. With regard to your ‘decent hardworking’ comment, I am a bit tired of hearing this quite frankly. As I have spent my entire life living in this road I know the residents well as they are my neighbours (states house and private) so of course I am well aware of hard working and non hard working families, I struggle to see why you have raised this in response to my comment? You certainly cannot deny that since the residents of the estate were moved out that crime and vandilism have near ceased. I no longer have to spend half an hour a day picking up litter from the front of my house, there are no broken windows and I can safely have a pot plant outside without fear of it being stolen. This isn’t heresay, it is a fact. I don’t have to lay in my bed at night listening to obscenities being shouted down the street on a near nightly basis and I can put my bin sack out on a friday eveing and not worry about it being kicked into the middle of the road by a buncvh of drunken louts. I am certainly not stereotyping (and I strongly resent your implication) but you must agree that the more you give to states house tenants that non-tenants struggle to have themselves that you are widening any perceived gap? The undeniable fact is that you have taken from EVERYONE to give to the few. (hardworking or not)

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kat

i do feel for all those who cannot park a car outside their home
but what you forget is the parking on these estates is not free for some tenants they have to pay a parking fee each week on top of their rents
so this does bring in an income.
There is a huge multi car park with in this area .
perhaps the ones who cannot park ask if they might rent a space their .
Parking in St Peter Port is always a problem and will continue .at least this new development will have parking for all those who live their so they wont be amongst those fighting to find a parking space.
Also many of states tenants work and pay their taxes like anyone else .
they also pay parish rates this is all taken with their rents .

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Toto

D_T, you stated: “You certainly cannot deny that since the residents of the estate were moved out that crime and vandilism have near ceased”

How do you correlate the residents to the perpetrators with such certainty? And as Mr. Jones stated, the facts regarding the crimes committed and those committing them to the residents of the estate are proven not to be parallel to one another. This is just silly banter now.

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Tay

Yes Kat, some of us do have to do low paid work – personally I work in a bar for 60 hours a week on pretty much minimum wage but I still rent a private flat. I am glad that you have looked after your states house all your life and so you should. But what I also think that a lot of states tennants forget is that it is NOT your house and it is NOT your right (I am not referring to you here as I am sure that you realise this).

Popping out the sprogs comment was referring to the only way that as a single person I would ever be able to move into a states house.

And yes I know that many people do look after their homes however as you have mentioned many don’t so to me they don’t deserve to have one and hopefully housing will catch up with them “one day”.

But I still don’t understand why the states are providing private parking for the new houses on public land (correct me if I’m wrong) and then restricting who can park there, surely it’s any tax payers right?

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D_T

@toto,

it is not silly banter, of course you and D Jones could be correct, there could have been a couple of families living in private accomodation who lived in this area and moved out at the same time as the states house tenants and it is all a complete coincidence that they all moved away at the same time, I am just saying that when the housing estate was emptied the crime stopped, draw your own conclusions (oh and it seems as though at the same time crime in other housing estates has increased, but again probably a complete coincidence)

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